Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children
Exactly.
Empirical evidence. That means observable by your own eyes or ears.
Not magically. It's about valence electrons and proximity.
Depends on the odds of that happening. If this occurs very often, then yes, we would see it all the time.
We don't, and we can conclude the odds are very small. Yet they are not zero. As I stated, billions of years passed since the universe started. Our universe contains millions of galxies, all of which have billions of stars. A fraction of them is habitable, meaning it has conditions similar to earth. On some of them, life formed and earth happens to be one of them.
Yes, it is a reductio ad absurdum of your original argument which was this:
Then what is it that he exists in?
Ah, so you use the phrase word of god as a synonym for god? That is a bit confusing, but okay...
In a more abstract way
Egg->chicken #this is a transformation: one thing is consumed by turning into another one
chicken->egg+chicken #this is not a transformation as the chicken is not consumed. It existed before it laid an egg and will continue to do so after the egg was laid.
I think it has been brought up that in this case he could create a stone he couldn't lift.
If he couldn't create it, he wouldn't be omnipotent, if he could create it, he couldn't lift it and then he wouldn't be omnipotent.
But not without evidence. And if there is contradicting evidence, it will be adjusted and advanced.
I looked here:
The following definitions of truth exist:
1) Correspondence
We cannot observe god directly. but the bible makes statements about this world, we are living on, too. Does the bible accurately describe our world? Well, it was repeatedly stated at these forums that theaccording to the bible the world is flat and roughly 7000-12000 years old. Now, something like radio carbon dating is accurate up to 60.000 years. If you look here:
You will see that the principle can be extended to nuclei besides carbon. Even though these methods are insufficient to prove earth is 4.5 billion years old, they definitely disprove the assumption that it is at maximum 12.000 years old.
2) Coherence
So no internal contradictions in the bible? Then what do we have here?
The list on the website is much longer, but I won't list the rest here.
3) Constructivist
If we were living in a christian theocracy, I would agree that the word of god is truth by that criterion. However, we don't live in a christian theocracy.
4) Consensus
If you look here:
33 % of christian faith worldwide? There are more nonchristians than christians.
This doesn't look good for christian truth.
Doesn't look good for the future
5)Pragmatic
Truth is that concordance of an abstract statement with the ideal limit towards which endless investigation would tend to bring scientific belief
What you declare god cannot be scientifically proven. So by that definition the bible the idea of an omniscient, omnipotent creator can neither be false nor true.
To quote the amazing atheist from youtube: If I told you I had real dinosaur at home, but it is invisible, inaudible and you cannot touch it, would you believe me?
Originally posted by Dr Laurence Niles
Originally posted by Pim Pendergast
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So, simple molecules just magically combined to make complex molecules that magically became living things?
If this were the case then wouldn't we see non-living matter becoming living matter all around us?
We don't, and we can conclude the odds are very small. Yet they are not zero. As I stated, billions of years passed since the universe started. Our universe contains millions of galxies, all of which have billions of stars. A fraction of them is habitable, meaning it has conditions similar to earth. On some of them, life formed and earth happens to be one of them.
So, you agree then that you original analogy here is ridiculous
He sent Himself to be sacrificed to Himself in a grueling death so that we would not be an intolerable abomination to Him...how is this unsympathetic?
God is not contained by the universe, the universe is contained by God.
The Word IS God.
So you believe only that which you can see? You've never seen a chicken lay an egg? Have you ever seen an egg arise from nothing?
Egg->chicken #this is a transformation: one thing is consumed by turning into another one
chicken->egg+chicken #this is not a transformation as the chicken is not consumed. It existed before it laid an egg and will continue to do so after the egg was laid.
God is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.
If he couldn't create it, he wouldn't be omnipotent, if he could create it, he couldn't lift it and then he wouldn't be omnipotent.
Science offers nothing but theories and conjectures.
The Word of God is the only Truth we have.
The following definitions of truth exist:
1) Correspondence
This class of theories holds that the truth or the falsity of a representation is determined in principle entirely by how it relates to "things", by whether it accurately describes those "things.
You will see that the principle can be extended to nuclei besides carbon. Even though these methods are insufficient to prove earth is 4.5 billion years old, they definitely disprove the assumption that it is at maximum 12.000 years old.
2) Coherence
For coherence theories in general, truth requires a proper fit of elements within a whole system.
God good to all, or just a few?
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
3) Constructivist
Social constructivism holds that truth is constructed by social processes, is historically and culturally specific, and that it is in part shaped through the power struggles within a community.
4) Consensus
If you look here:
33 % of christian faith worldwide? There are more nonchristians than christians.
The number of atheists is on the rise across the world, with religiosity generally declining.
Doesn't look good for the future
5)Pragmatic
Truth is that concordance of an abstract statement with the ideal limit towards which endless investigation would tend to bring scientific belief
What you declare god cannot be scientifically proven. So by that definition the bible the idea of an omniscient, omnipotent creator can neither be false nor true.
To quote the amazing atheist from youtube: If I told you I had real dinosaur at home, but it is invisible, inaudible and you cannot touch it, would you believe me?
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