[Lisa H]

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

1. Definitions of Religion on the Web: A religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a supernatural agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

So yes, by the definition of religion, Atheism is a religion.

2. Don't be smart with me, I meant I don't want to follow the rules set by OTHER religions, with Gods. Again, Atheism is a SPECIAL religion. You choose your path. There are no laws for Atheism, I was talking about the Justice System.

You are just confusing yourself here. Now you say you do not want to follow your own atheist laws, because in doing so you would be following religious law.

If there is no law for atheism, then way is that to be an atheist you cannot believe in God. To believe in God would then be breaking your atheist law.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Moogitar

Errr... Just because it's written in the bible that god created all, that means it's true? Humans have all the bad things in them like greed, hatred, etc. The bible was written by a human, right? So who's to say the bible writer was evil, and wanted to gain something by making a fairytale?

So you want to say that God Almighty, creator of the known universe, is an evil bastard?

[Lisa H]

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

1. That's from the BIBLE. You can't use your own belief as your proof. You have to use something in which everyone believes in order for your point to be valid. That's just some text in a book.

Oh, but I guess you're right. It's true because some book says so.

2. It is most certainly not proving how "God created the heaven and the earth," it is proving how it REALLY was formed. You're implying the "Big Bang," which is a theory, is what God is, and that's all he is. If theories like that explain how God created everything, then God = Science and nothing more. Nothing less.

1. Using your own logic, since everyone does not believe in the big bang, then the big bang is not valid.

Have you ever looked at the chapters in the Bible. It is a collection of different sources. Like an encyclopedia. Again using your logic all encyclopedia's would be wrong because all the information came from the same text.

2. God does not equal science. God is the almighty, the creator of Heaven and earth. Science is not.

[landoverlover]

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

1. Definitions of Religion on the Web: A religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a supernatural agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

So yes, by the definition of religion, Atheism is a religion.

2. Don't be smart with me, I meant I don't want to follow the rules set by OTHER religions, with Gods. Again, Atheism is a SPECIAL religion. You choose your path. There are no laws for Atheism, I was talking about the Justice System.

You miss the entire point. There's what you know and what you show. You get so wrapped up in words in some so-called science book that you miss the forest for the trees. You seem to think that valid knowledge only comes from the scientific method. What science declares as 'truth' changes all the time. The Revealed Word™ of the Lord God does not.

What you need to focus on is what you KNOW IN YOUR HEART. Why is that invalid to you? I'll wager that you have never once in your adult life dropped to your knees in humble supplication to the Lord Jesus Christ, opened your heart to Him, asked Him to enter your heart and life and take command. If you had done that you would immediately see how silly all your words have been. This is the open secret all True Christians™ know - and you can too.

I'll pray you take that leap of faith!

[Can I justify that]

Originally Posted by Lisa H

You are just confusing yourself here. Now you say you do not want to follow your own atheist laws, because in doing so you would be following religious law.

If there is no law for atheism, then way is that to be an atheist you cannot believe in God. To believe in God would then be breaking your atheist law.

Okay, sure, the "what makes you Atheist" is the only rule. Boo hoo. That's just the unspoken rule. Come on.

1. Using your own logic, since everyone does not believe in the big bang, then the big bang is not valid.

Have you ever looked at the chapters in the Bible. It is a collection of different sources. Like an encyclopedia. Again using your logic all encyclopedia's would be wrong because all the information came from the same text.

2. God does not equal science. God is the almighty, the creator of Heaven and earth. Science is not.

1. I wasn't saying the Big Bang was the proof that Atheism is the right religion. Don't put words in my mouth. And sure, okay, it came from a bunch of different people. But maybe those persons were just a group that was sick of the killing and convinced naive people to believe their story by writing a huge book. Think about that. Be open minded for once.

2. Thank you for reiterating what I said you were implying with your poor logic.

[Can I justify that]

Originally Posted by landoverlover

You miss the entire point. There's what you know and what you show. You get so wrapped up in words in some so-called science book that you miss the forest for the trees. You seem to think that valid knowledge only comes from the scientific method. What science declares as 'truth' changes all the time. The Revealed Word™ of the Lord God does not.

What you need to focus on is what you KNOW IN YOUR HEART. Why is that invalid to you? I'll wager that you have never once in your adult life dropped to your knees in humble supplication to the Lord Jesus Christ, opened your heart to Him, asked Him to enter your heart and life and take command. If you had done that you would immediately see how silly all your words have been. This is the open secret all True Christians™ know - and you can too.

I'll pray you take that leap of faith!

Of course the word of God remains the same. It's a written religion. There's no "new bibles," and, if there was, it would be widely rejected. Science and real life is constantly thriving with new ideas. Science changes all the time because theories aren't always correct. That's why they change. TO MAKE THEM BETTER. Please, actually think. In a world with no God, where else is valid knowledge going to come from?

I know in MY HEART that Atheism is the correct way to be. I've been Christian before. As I've said in my main post. The thread starter. I simply converted because I saw no proof and all of it was just silly. Every bit of it. I really was a serious Christian. I didn't just try it out barely and give up. I got nothing from him. I prayed for little things, and got none. None at all. Atheism makes much more sense, anyhow. Don't assume what I "know in my heart" and what I don't.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

Of course the word of God remains the same. It's a written religion. There's no "new bibles," and, if there was, it would be widely rejected. Science and real life is constantly thriving with new ideas. Science changes all the time because theories aren't always correct. That's why they change. TO MAKE THEM BETTER. Please, actually think. In a world with no God, where else is valid knowledge going to come from?

I know in MY HEART that Atheism is the correct way to be. I've been Christian before. As I've said in my main post. The thread starter. I simply converted because I saw no proof and all of it was just silly. Every bit of it. I really was a serious Christian. I didn't just try it out barely and give up. I got nothing from him. I prayed for little things, and got none. None at all. Atheism makes much more sense, anyhow. Don't assume what I "know in my heart" and what I don't.

Why are you here, just to mock us? This is a Christian forum. Unsaved scum are unwelcome.

[Can I justify that]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

Why are you here, just to mock us? This is a Christian forum. Unsaved scum are unwelcome.

I'm here because you all just seem so ridiculous and ignorant in your beliefs. None of you are open-minded. None. You're all stubborn. None of you so far have even tried to see what I've been saying. I thought I could get a good discussion going on, but none of you can prove my points wrong. You guys aren't making Christians look good at all. I showed my Christian friend this forum. He laughed at it.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

I'm here because you all just seem so ridiculous and ignorant in your beliefs. None of you are open-minded. None. You're all stubborn. None of you so far have even tried to see what I've been saying. I thought I could get a good discussion going on, but none of you can prove my points wrong.

Yes, you have been proven wrong with each post you make. Tell your master satan that we have JESUS on our side and cannot be defeated!

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

You guys aren't making Christians look good at all.

It is not our goal to "make Christians look good." We are here to uplift Jesus and follow the teachings of the Holy Bibe WORD FOR WORD, as God commands.

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

I showed my Christian friend this forum. He laughed at it.

Then he is no Christian.

[Lisa H]

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

Okay, sure, the "what makes you Atheist" is the only rule. Boo hoo. That's just the unspoken rule. Come on.

So you are admitting there are rules to being an atheist. That in so following these rules you are in fact following religious laws.

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

1. I wasn't saying the Big Bang was the proof that Atheism is the right religion. Don't put words in my mouth. And sure, okay, it came from a bunch of different people. But maybe those persons were just a group that was sick of the killing and convinced naive people to believe their story by writing a huge book. Think about that. Be open minded for once.

Well, if you have read the Bible you will see it was written over a very long time. Not by some group of people having a cafe latte in a coffee shop.

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

2. Thank you for reiterating what I said you were implying with your poor logic.

Now you are just being petty because you arguments are faltering against the facts from the Bible.

[Can I justify that]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

Yes, you have been proven wrong with each post you make. Tell your master satan that we have JESUS on our side and cannot be defeated!



It is not our goal to "make Christians look good." We are here to uplift Jesus and follow the teachings of the Holy Bibe WORD FOR WORD, as God commands.



Then he is no Christian.

1. No, I have not been proven wrong. Not at all. I have yet to see someone prove me wrong. Any point I made in the first post. I've been proving your replies wrong as well.

2. I don't care if it is your goal or not, I was clearly stating you were making them look bad.

3. Yes, he is a Christian. It's just proof towards how a lot of things on this forum is ridiculous.

[Can I justify that]

Originally Posted by Lisa H

So you are admitting there are rules to being an atheist. That in so following these rules you are in fact following religious laws.



Well, if you have read the Bible you will see it was written over a very long time. Not by some group of people having a cafe latte in a coffee shop.



Now you are just being petty because you arguments are faltering against the facts from the Bible.

1. Not at all. You know, you could be at least a bit understanding and not a smartass. I meant religious rules as in The "Ten Commandments." Not, "Oh, yeah, I have to be Godless to be an Atheist, oh no." Your argument is invalid.

2. What the hell does a coffee shop have to do with it? Does it really matter to you where the book was written?

3. Again, "facts" from the Bible? You can't use your own damn religion to prove your own damn religion right. There's nothing that proves the Bible to be true, so until it is proved true, all the facts in there are meaningless.

[Lisa H]

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

1. Not at all. You know, you could be at least a bit understanding and not a smartass. I meant religious rules as in The "Ten Commandments." Not, "Oh, yeah, I have to be Godless to be an Atheist, oh no." Your argument is invalid.

You were the one claiming you do not follow religious laws because you are and atheist. You also claimed Atheism is a religion. Therefore you must be following religious laws.

What are trying to say now. Christians can be atheists also because there are laws in being an atheist.

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

2. What the hell does a coffee shop have to do with it? Does it really matter to you where the book was written?

If only you would understand the Bible was not written by a single group of people at the same time.

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

3. Again, "facts" from the Bible? You can't use your own damn religion to prove your own damn religion right. There's nothing that proves the Bible to be true, so until it is proved true, all the facts in there are meaningless.

Again, failing to release that the Bible has a multitude of sources.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

Good question. Ever hear of the big bang? Again, I doubt it, so here you are;

The big bang is a theory that a bunch of chemicals and materials in a huge ball, septillions of times bigger than the biggest thing you could imagine. It all exploded, and sent chunks of rock and chemical floating around the universe. Some chemicals formed and created stars, some stars died and created black holes, some things crashed into one another, halting the explosive speeds of some rock and material, and keep in mind that all this material is HUGE. So when one crashes into another, they slowly stop moving, some stars catch slow moving rocks in it's pull, and therefore creates a planet. Then other life forms, which were also in the big bang mix hit the planet, that say, was attached to a meteor, and created the life that we have today.

OK, so let me see if I understand what you believe.

First, there was nothing. Nothing exploded (for no apparent reason) and became something. In the midst of this explosion were life forms existing in a vacuum, that got stuck to meteors that landed on planets and interbred to make humans.

Is that about right? You have no idea where the something came from, or the life forms that were part of the explosion.

Can you even provide a "science" reference that supports this ridiculous cosmology?

Originally Posted by Can you justify that

1. Definitions of Religion on the Web: A religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a supernatural agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

So yes, by the definition of religion, Atheism is a religion.

Really?

But all the atheists who come here claim that atheism is the LACK OF BELIEF in gods and IS NOT a religion.

While we know that atheism is really hatred of God so intense that they deny He exists, atheists claim that there is no "atheist set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe". Atheists say they do not believe in "a supernatural agency or agencies", do not have "devotional and ritual observances", and have no moral code.

Secular humanism might fit part of that definition, in the moral code. Unitarianism has the devotional and ritual observances.

But sorry, every atheist I've ever met or conversed with on this forum or interacted with in any way would disagree with your claim that atheism fits any part of your definition of a religion.

SO, please explain for us the atheist beliefs about the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.

Bear in mind that many atheists do not subscribe to the Big Bang OR to M Theory.

Tell us about the supernatural agency or agencies that atheists worship.

Describe the atheist ritual and devotional observances.

Point us to the atheist moral code.

Thanks!

[Can I justify that]

Originally Posted by Lisa H

You were the one claiming you do not follow religious laws because you are and atheist. You also claimed Atheism is a religion. Therefore you must be following religious laws.

What are trying to say now. Christians can be atheists also because there are laws in being an atheist.



If only you would understand the Bible was not written by a single group of people at the same time.



Again, failing to release that the Bible has a multitude of sources.

1. I didn't say "because I am Atheist." I said I don't WANT to follow laws and regulations, so I'm Atheist. Your constant going on about having no Gods being a rule in Atheism is f*uc*king stupid. Just stop it. It's not getting you anywhere. That's an easy rule to follow, it doesn't make you do anything. No, Christians can't be Atheist.

2. When did I say it was at the same time? Again, it doesn't matter when or over what period of time it was written. That's completely irrelevant.

3. I did realize the Bible has a multitude of sources. And I told you that all those sources could have been a bunch of people just wanting a better future, and so wrote that book.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Can I justify that

1. Not at all. You know, you could be at least a bit understanding and not a smartass. I meant religious rules as in The "Ten Commandments." Not, "Oh, yeah, I have to be Godless to be an Atheist, oh no." Your argument is invalid.

2. What the hell does a coffee shop have to do with it? Does it really matter to you where the book was written?

3. Again, "facts" from the Bible? You can't use your own damn religion to prove your own damn religion right. There's nothing that proves the Bible to be true, so until it is proved true, all the facts in there are meaningless.

The Bible consists of 66 books written by more than 40 authors over a period of over two thousand years. It corroborates itself because it isn't one book by one group of people, but more than five dozen books written in different languages within different cultures. That is the point Lisa is trying to make.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Can I justify that

1. I didn't say "because I am Atheist." I said I don't WANT to follow laws and regulations, so I'm Atheist.

AH HA! You admit it!

You hate God and His rules, so you deny that He exists so you won't have to obey.

Congratulations, you have proven what we have known to be true about atheists all along: You know God exists, you just don't want to obey and you hate Him so you deny His existence.

[Lisa H]

Originally Posted by Can I justify that

1. I didn't say "because I am Atheist." I said I don't WANT to follow laws and regulations, so I'm Atheist. Your constant going on about having no Gods being a rule in Atheism is f*uc*king stupid. Just stop it. It's not getting you anywhere. That's an easy rule to follow, it doesn't make you do anything. No, Christians can't be Atheist.

2. When did I say it was at the same time? Again, it doesn't matter when or over what period of time it was written. That's completely irrelevant.

3. I did realize the Bible has a multitude of sources. And I told you that all those sources could have been a bunch of people just wanting a better future, and so wrote that book.

Not following rules & regulations is rebellious or lawless, not atheism. If Christians cannot be atheists then it must be a law. What is so hard to understand about that. You were the one that said atheism was a religion, so admit you are following religious laws.

Why cannot you accept the Bible has been written over a long period of time by different people, and is valid proof. According to your scientific theory models, it counts as valid proof. Funny how you would accept data from your scientists presented in the same way, but not the Bible.

[James Hutchins]

Can I justify that cracks me up. Making so many guess and interestingly, "prayers of hope" that these 'scientific theories' are correct. Time and time again, most theories have been eventually proven false. However, the Bible has remained steadfast with no change , Ever! That alone should tell you something.
Theories are guess of explanations, the Bible has no guesses. It tells it like it was and is. There are no 'Maybes' in the Bible.
I look out my window in the middle of the day and see light. A scientist might 'theorize' I left the floodlights on or maybe the sun is shinning. He does not know, he is guessing. Believing in God, I know enough to see the Truth® so I simply go outside and see for myself. So where the 'scientist' is guessing, I know the fact. Just like the Bible. The Truth®.
So, as a 'scientist' you better pray your guess is correct because if you are wrong, you will be mighty sorry.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Can I justify that cracks me up. Making so many guess and interestingly, "prayers of hope" that these 'scientific theories' are correct. Time and time again, most theories have been eventually proven false. However, the Bible has remained steadfast with no change , Ever! That alone should tell you something.
Theories are guess of explanations, the Bible has no guesses. It tells it like it was and is. There are no 'Maybes' in the Bible.
I look out my window in the middle of the day and see light. A scientist might 'theorize' I left the floodlights on or maybe the sun is shinning. He does not know, he is guessing. Believing in God, I know enough to see the Truth® so I simply go outside and see for myself. So where the 'scientist' is guessing, I know the fact. Just like the Bible. The Truth®.
So, as a 'scientist' you better pray your guess is correct because if you are wrong, you will be mighty sorry.

AMEN Brother you are so right!!

I was thinking about his waffling earlier and he claims that only science has shown technology. . Then how does he explain all the technology that happened for THOUSANDS of years before science? God didn't need this science to create EVERYTHING. This secular science thing is just a "trendy new fad" the kids these days jump on the bandwagon of, to merely rebel and to "show"(well claim anyhoo) that they have a mind of their own!

I just don't understand all their "what if" questions, when the resounding proof and answer to ANY question is tucked within the pages of the KJV1611.

YIC

Sister Phebe.