[GOD=life]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

How do you beat an atheist in an argument? You dont, they are right. Who created God? How can something come from nothing? And if something created God then what created it and so on?

Do you honestly believe you are the first to make this argument? Another atheist tried the exact same angle only a few days ago and was met with the following answer:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showpost.php?p=447019&postcount=28

Frankly, I believe I phrased "your" argument more eloquently.

[True Disciple]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Wow.

My friend, this is the proof that Christians are mentally incapable of thinking by themselves, which is why they follow someone else's thoughts.

Yes, we do. We follow the thoughts of God. As God's thoughts are infinitely more wise than yours, we are more or less right by definition. About everything.

Please quote Darwin's exact phrase, since I have NEVER heard of it.

Are you illiterate, or are you just lazy? In this very forum, this question has been answered already. Stop wasting our precious time.

[ClarificatiOnDarwin]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Actually the burden of providing truth is on the faithful because...they are trying to prove that something that is unable to be seen, heard, touched, smelled, tasted, and known in about any way. Believers in evolution for example have boatloads of evidence to prove the FACT of evolution (not a theory). Not saying that there isn't a deity of some sorts, but it's the believers burden to prove that it exists. Citing a book that he inspired or wrote, is like saying "the bible is right because the bible says so" (citing bible verses). Circular logic is bad logic.

[James Dewitt]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Actually the burden of providing truth is on the faithful because...they are trying to prove that something that is unable to be seen, heard, touched, smelled, tasted, and known in about any way. Believers in evolution for example have boatloads of evidence to prove the FACT of evolution (not a theory). Not saying that there isn't a deity of some sorts, but it's the believers burden to prove that it exists. Citing a book that he inspired or wrote, is like saying "the bible is right because the bible says so" (citing bible verses). Circular logic is bad logic.

Ok lets just say I buy into the Big Bang story. As it goes the universe all started from a single ball of mass, correct? Where did that single ball of mass come from? I will tell you GOD, thats where! Circular logic my foot!

[GOD=life]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Not saying that there isn't a deity of some sorts (nope, because you can't prove that), but it's the believers burden to prove that it exists (we don't have to prove anything to you).

The Big Bang Theory postulates that the entire universe "exploded" out of a single point of origin (like James said). Let's assume for the sake of conversation that you are right.

Then the question is: what was this universe "in"? And why did this universe come into existence? What is the purpose of it all? Why did it "just happen"?

The answers to those questions cannot be given without some leap of faith. That is where a scientist says "I don't know". When we point out the most obvious (Occam's razor anyone?), the scientist says "ah, but you can't know either".

But seriously, we do not come to God because we found some mathematical proof. We come to Him because He calls us. It's like asking us to prove that our phone rings because yours doesn't.

[Aristotle]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Recently I have been having several arguments with atheists on the internet. When I have an argument with an atheist in real life, I usually just talk louder than them and tell them that they are going to hell. But there is no way to yell louder on the internet, and there certainly isn’t a function to make my typing louder.

On the internet they have all of these “theories” which I am pretty sure are from Satan. Either that or these deluded atheists just make them up. Some of them think we actually “evolved” from rocks. How stupid does that sound? They say that the earth revolves around the sun and that there isn’t a giant dome covering the earth. How do you argue with that?

I tried telling them there is amazing evidence for design in the universe. Take the eye for example. Even Darwin said that they eye couldn’t have evolved. I just don’t think that these wicked atheists will ever accept the biblical truth. Good thing they will all burn in hell with their satanic naturalism.

The argument I use is to tell the atheist that even the patron saint of atheism, Charles Darwin, repented and became a Christian on his death bed. A similar point is that there are no atheists in the foxholes.

If the atheist says he is unsure of GOD (weak atheist), then remind him he has nothing to lose in believing in JESUS, but Hell faces him if he is wrong in rejecting him. Sort of describe it to him as a wager.

Also, remind the atheist that there was nothing before the Big Bang. So who created the Big Bang and the Universe, if not GOD? Also, point out that, without GOD, there would be no morals or logic.

I like to quote the Bible here as well. Usually one of the quotes that says those who don't believe in GOD are fools.

Hope this helps.

[True Disciple]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

I always compare an atheist with a computer who does not believe in humans. God made man, programmed him to be a man, and leads man towards his destination. Likewise, humans make computers, and program them and direct them in whatever way they sees fit.
How stupid would a computer be to deny that humans exist, while every single chip is designed by humans, and everything he does is ordered by humans?
The same applies to atheists.

[Paul Jeffery]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

One of my 1611 King James Bibles is a huge, beautiful "coffee table edition" and I bet it weighs all of twelve pounds. I can tell you, it packs a wallop! More than once, when I've invited LDS "missionaries" or "Kingdom Hall" demons who've knocked on my door into my home, I have used this Book as my Weapon and my Shield. It's embossed cover can actually leave an imprint!

SHOUT GLORY!

[x60tablet]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

The argument I use is to tell the atheist that even the patron saint of atheism, Charles Darwin, repented and became a Christian on his death bed.

Patron saints are entities of catholicism. A saint is a christian entity. Atheists cannot have saints of any kind.

A similar point is that there are no atheists in the foxholes.

Though this probably stems from foxes being much smaller than humans.

If the atheist says he is unsure of GOD (weak atheist), then remind him he has nothing to lose in believing in JESUS, but Hell faces him if he is wrong in rejecting him. Sort of describe it to him as a wager.

Not quite. By believing, he loses the option of committing all sorts of sin. So his wager would be between sinning on earth (having lots of fun while alive) and being punished for eternity vs not sinning on earth and being in heaven for eternity. Then since it is a wager, you must weight those two events by probabilities you assign for them being true and value you give to the before/after death events.

Also, remind the atheist that there was nothing before the Big Bang. So who created the Big Bang and the Universe, if not GOD? Also, point out that, without GOD, there would be no morals or logic.

Well this is a circular argument because the only way it works is by expressing without God, nothing would exist so the only reason things exist is because of God. Regardless of it's veracity, it is a empty statement.

I like to quote the Bible here as well. Usually one of the quotes that says those who don't believe in GOD are fools.

Psalm 14.1: "The fool hath said in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good."

[x60tablet]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

I always compare an atheist with a computer who does not believe in humans. God made man, programmed him to be a man, and leads man towards his destination. Likewise, humans make computers, and program them and direct them in whatever way they sees fit.
How stupid would a computer be to deny that humans exist, while every single chip is designed by humans, and everything he does is ordered by humans?
The same applies to atheists.

Actually, it wouldn't be stupid, it would be quite incredible if a computer would do something that it was not programmed to do.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Actually, it wouldn't be stupid, it would be quite incredible if a computer would do something that it was not programmed to do.

So you coincide Brother True Disciple's point that human's are built by God to worship God?

[True Disciple]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

Patron saints are entities of catholicism. A saint is a christian entity. Atheists cannot have saints of any kind.

They don't call them saints (they most often speak of "Great Scientific Minds" or something), but they worship them all the same.

So his wager would be between sinning on earth (having lots of fun while alive) and being punished for eternity vs not sinning on earth and being in heaven for eternity.

If you consider sinning to be "lots of fun," then why, sir, do you call yourself a Christian?

Psalm 14.1: "The fool hath said in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good."

This is one of my favorites!

Actually, it wouldn't be stupid, it would be quite incredible if a computer would do something that it was not programmed to do.

It would be incredible, but it would still be stupid to deny something so obvious.

[x60tablet]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

If you consider sinning to be "lots of fun," then why, sir, do you call yourself a Christian?

You were speaking of a hypothetical wager with an atheist. I was just making a guess as to the calculations that would go on in the atheist's mind. If they don't derive some enjoyment from what we consider "sinning", what would be the point of them doing it?

[x60tablet]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

So you coincide Brother True Disciple's point that human's are built by God to worship God?

Not quite. Just that the bible says humans are built by God to worship God.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How do I beat an atheist in argument.

If they don't derive some enjoyment from what we consider "sinning", what would be the point of them doing it?

Simple, they are evil!