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  • Circular Logic...

    How is one supposed to defeat circular logic? I have never considered myself a believer in Christ, but I know that a majority of the people here are and I am actually interested to know how Christians are able to defeat circular logic.
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    Re: Circular Logic...

    What's your point? That you are smarter than God?

    I don't think so.


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    • #3
      Re: Circular Logic...

      I won't deny that the Bible does involve circular logic, however, just because it does involve circular logic in no way invalidates it. Your argument is belief in the Bible involves circular logic therefore it must not be true. That is an erroneous argument and illogical.

      Here are two things to ponder which prove my point:

      1) Even though you're an atheist, assume for the sake of argument that God exists. Can you do this? Ok. Now say God gave us the Bible. And we believe the Bible because it is the Word of God, and we know it's the Word of God because the Bible says so and the circular logic starts.

      Now, circular logic is going on but God exists and gave us the Bible in this thought experiment. How does circular logic prove that God doesn't exist or even prove the Bible is invalid? Remember, God exists and gave us the Bible in this thought experiment.

      Now, what if this wasn't a thought experiment? What if God actually really did give us the Bible? Just because it's based on circular logic means nothing. It doesn't invalidate the Bible in any way.

      2) Many things in our world utilize circular logic but we take it for granted. Is there a sun? Yes. How do we know? Because we can see it. How do you know we can see it? Because we can see it and know its there. But how do you know you can see it and know its there? And so on and so on.

      Please try bringing something more stronger to the table before dealing with well-educated, intelligent people like us next time. Either that or admit defeat and receive Christ as your savior.

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      • #4
        Re: Circular Logic...

        Sounds to me like this person is spending way too much time in gay fern bars trying to "hook up" and using squishy, squashy logic to impress all the homos.

        Once one of the queers agrees with him - bingo, one night stand.




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        • #5
          Re: Circular Logic...

          Dear friend:

          Let's think this through sensibly. If God were bound by the very rules of logic that He Himself had written, then He would not be omnipotent, now, would He be?
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          • #6
            Re: Circular Logic...

            Everything is circular, even the universe. The only thing that is straight is an imaginary line between two points. God certainly is not imaginary now, is he! He is made of many points of bright light and there is circular circles. Therefore all logic pertaining to him will also be circular because he is made of many points. Really not that hard to understand, even for an old guy.
            Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
            Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
            Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
            Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
            Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
            Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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            • #7
              Re: Circular Logic...

              Mr James
              Now if that dont clear up his silly mind nothing will

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              • #8
                Re: Circular Logic...

                Of course, because of the circular logic, the bible cannot validate itself either.

                Validation of the bible thus requires information from an outside source.

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                • #9
                  Re: Circular Logic...

                  Originally posted by x60tablet View Post
                  Validation of the bible thus requires information from an outside source.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Circular Logic...

                    Here's some circular logic for you. The atheist goes:

                    1. I refuse to surrender to God
                    2. God has not given me a signal He exists, thus I refuse to surrender to God (back to step 1)
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                    Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
                    Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Circular Logic...

                      Originally posted by GOD=life View Post
                      Here's some circular logic for you. The atheist goes:

                      1. I refuse to surrender to God
                      2. God has not given me a signal He exists, thus I refuse to surrender to God (back to step 1)
                      That is true too. Atheists just like theists, rely on circular logic as well. There is no proof that God exists or doesn't exist. So to me, both positions are equally valid. The one you take is up to you.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Circular Logic...

                        Originally posted by x60tablet View Post
                        That is true too. Atheists just like theists, rely on circular logic as well. There is no proof that God exists or doesn't exist. So to me, both positions are equally valid. The one you take is up to you.

                        My friend, God does exist, all you need to do is look in the mirror and behold one of His creations. Look all around you and bask in His glory, God created all you see, feel, hear, touch and smell. With out God there would be nothing, with God we have everything!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Circular Logic...

                          Originally posted by x60tablet View Post
                          That is true too. Atheists just like theists, rely on circular logic as well. There is no proof that God exists or doesn't exist. So to me, both positions are equally valid. The one you take is up to you.
                          But if both positions are equally valid, then you get Pascal's wager:

                          If you believe God exists and it turns out He does not, you lose nothing: potential loss: 0, potential gain: ∞.

                          If you do not believe in God and it turns out that He does exist, you will go to Hell. Potential loss: ∞, potential gain: 0.

                          Thus, if you'd want to take a bet, what would a smart person choose... ? And this is without taking into account that praying to God will give you confirmation of His existence.
                          I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

                          Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
                          Matthew 7:22
                          Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
                          Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

                          Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Circular Logic...

                            Ya' all think abouts circles too much.
                            Circles are perfect and unbroken, thus they can be symbols of the Lord.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Circular Logic...

                              Originally posted by x60tablet View Post
                              That is true too. Atheists just like theists, rely on circular logic as well. There is no proof that God exists or doesn't exist. So to me, both positions are equally valid. The one you take is up to you.
                              Nonsense, if God didn't exist were did The Bible come from; how can you explain a book thaty and iintuitively obvious to everyone who encounters it as the source of all morality?

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