Morbidity

[Jobie4life]

Okay....so I happened upon this site earlier by chance. Maybe some of you would suggest divine intervention. Who knows? I have lived with Baptists before and have a bit of an idea of how that particular culture seems to think. Yet still I feel it necessary to ask, how can you be comfortable handing over your free will to a book written eons ago? And I can even let that one go. The Tao de chiang was also written a long time ago And it's influenced me as well. But seriously....the violence and hatred and bigotry that you all seem to promote is abhorrent. My first encounter with this site was a thread about a young woman who was raped. Almost everyone in the thread that went on for 107 pages was aimed at getting the rapist off free and damning the young girl who was victimized, humiliated, and destroyed emotionally. I know this because I too was raped several times when I was but a child. And ya know what? That doesn't make me a twisted evil little whorish harlot. It makes me an emotionally damaged individual that was thrown out by both church and family for my "impurity". When the "good book" declared that I was evil, I sought proof. I've read no such proof of my demonic influence due to my being too weak to defend myself against stronger antagonists. I think that if you guys opened your eyes and looked at everything you'd see that no matter what, the violence that you propose upon all the "unrighteous" still violates a lot of the ten commandments. "Thou shalt not kill" for starters. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Your god isn't the lord in heaven. Your god is those pages that you haven't even got the brains to understand. You aren't Christians. You're bible thumpers. A true Christian tries to emulate Christ. Christ preached the word to the sinners that needed it. He didn't set a cross on fire and hang a black man. No...he told what he had to say to those who would listen. It is not our place to judge. The lord is the judge. We are merely guides. We are to show the path, not force the path upon anyone. A wise man told me that.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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I think that if you guys opened your eyes and looked at everything you'd see that no matter what, the violence that you propose upon all the "unrighteous" still violates a lot of the ten commandments. "Thou shalt not kill" for starters.

It looks to me that you're missing the big picture here. First off, God doesn't abhor all violence, just some. When you kill by taking the law into your own hands, that's murder. When you kill because God commands you to, that's serving the Lord and following Him. Now, obviously we don't go out and kill/maim/hurt people because that is against secular law (see Romans 13).

The Bible says "thou shalt not kill", yet it also commands us to put to death homosexuals, witches, and adulterers. However, that is not a contradiction by any stretch. The Ten Commandments were intended only for people chosen by the Lord, so it's really a prohibition against killing your neighbor.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Your god isn't the lord in heaven. Your god is those pages that you haven't even got the brains to understand. You aren't Christians. You're bible thumpers.

You're not making any sense. The Bible is the Holy Word of God. By following the Bible, we are following God. The Lord has made it clear that we must follow all of the Bible, so it stands to reason we are True Christians(tm) because we take 100% of the orders from the man upstairs while you're a rebellious imp who picks and chooses which orders to follow. That's like being in the military and saying "Sorry Colonel, but I refuse to attack that position." Where do you think that will land you?

A true Christian tries to emulate Christ. Christ preached the word to the sinners that needed it.

And we do. Am I not preaching the Word(r) to a sinner like yourself?

He didn't set a cross on fire and hang a black man.

No one here that we know of has lynched a negro. Now you're just pulling accusations out of the air. How dishonest.

No...he told what he had to say to those who would listen. It is not our place to judge. The lord is the judge. We are merely guides. We are to show the path, not force the path upon anyone. A wise man told me that.

It is our place to judge, little girl. See, if you'd bother to read the whole Bible, instead of glancing over Matthew 7:1-5 (and blatantly misinterpreting it), you would find that God commands us to judge others.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Proverbs 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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[…] Almost everyone in the thread that went on for 107 pages was aimed at getting the rapist off free and damning the young girl who was victimized, humiliated, and destroyed emotionally. I know this because I too was raped several times when I was but a child.

I am bearing this in mind.

[I] was thrown out by both church and family for my "impurity". When the "good book" declared that I was evil,

…and your family, the church and the Bible were correct

A true Christian tries to emulate Christ. Christ preached the word to the sinners that needed it.

Firstly, we do preach to sinners; we are preaching to you, are we not? Secondly, you seem to forget The Trinity. Christ was there before the world began – the Old and New Testaments are both about Christ.

I think you cannot accept that what Jesus says is for the good of the whole world. All I hear from the above is “Me! Me! Me!”

[Jobie4life]

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Luke 6:37 "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: Condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven."

Luke 6:42 "Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye: Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye."

Mark 7:6-7 "He answered and said unto them well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

Mathew 5:7 "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy."

"Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able, nor willing? Then why call him god? ~Epicurus.

Leviticus 11:2-8 "Speak unto the children of Israel saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth. 3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat. 4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean to you. 5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. 6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof, he is unclean unto you. 7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet cheweth not the cud, he is unclean to you. 8 Of their flesh ye shall not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you."

Leviticus 11:35 "And everything whereupon any part of their carcase falleth shall be unclean; whether it be oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: for they are unclean and shall be unclean unto you."

Leviticus 19:27 "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."

Leviticus 19:19 19Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

So….calling upon the holy word of Leviticus which you all seem to accept as absolute law, let’s go over a few things. Do you like Bacon? Sausage? That’s an abomination. Are you wearing clothes that are of blended fibers, possibly with a trimmed beard? According to Leviticus, that likewise is abomination. Now, I notice that you don’t go witch hunting these people? I’m fairly certain quite a few of you enjoy a good breakfast of bacon and eggs. Too bad. The Lord saith that is a sin. And you shall burn in the fires of hell for your crimes. I don’t see you bashing down the doors of people wearing clothes of blended fibers and preaching to them. So why is it than when a woman is raped, you feel the need to make sure that she knows it is because she is evil. While she’s being violated, tortured, humiliated, and forced to go on living the rest of her life with that shame and that memory, you feel it necessary to twist the knife and tell her that it’s because she deserved it because she was in the wrong? Am I the only one that is seeing a flaw in the logic here? I read a thread on here where a man witnessed a rape, and instead of trying to stop it (the proper thing to do) or even ignore it (only slightly better than what he did) he decided to make the situation worse by preaching the word of god to the “evil harlot” who had obviously used witchcraft to bewitch the mind of the rapist to cause him to fall victim to such ungodly temptation and desires. No cruel words given to the rapist. But the victim (and yes…she is a victim, not he) gets a sermon about her sins that caused her to get raped, while being raped the whole time. Again I ask, are you all blind to the sins which you’re promoting? Don’t you see that you are basically giving the impression that the phenomenon of rape is a good thing? I have read here in many places where rapists aren’t rebuked for their foul deeds. Nay, they are praised for it. Defended to the hilt. This is wrong. When you’re being raped, you’re shown the true horrors of mankind’s nature. And when someone witnesses that rape and does nothing about it…you realize that it is not the acts of evil men which we must fear most. For evil men to commit evil acts, is expected. That can be fought. But the best way to insure that evil wins is for good men to do nothing. The last time that I was raped, my best friend stood by and watched the whole thing. Said nothing when she heard my cries for help, said nothing when she saw the pained look on my face, nor my tears. I would wish that pain, that horror, that experience on no one. Not even the so-called terrorists who died for their beliefs when they destroyed the towers. I say so called not because I sympathize with them, not because I believe that they were in the right. I say so-called because we gave them that label. Just as you say that the woman who is raped is a whore, and a harlot, all because she was picked out for rape. I will not say that we as a country are correct to label them. I will not say that you are correct to label us. To their own, they are heroes. All throughout history that has been the great dream of many. To die serving a nobler cause. I wouldn’t wish that horrible fate upon even those that murdered thousands. Why? Because I would rather die because someone else saw that it was right, than to live unable to look at myself in the mirror for fear of seeing that scene playing over and over again, like I did for the many years after each rape I endured. I wanted to die. It would have been easier to die. And like the girl you guys said was a harlot and a slut, I was abandoned by my church and family, and had already been betrayed by my friends. My best friend watched me get raped and did nothing. You watched a girl get raped and worsened that experience for her. Tell me how that was righteous.

[Meek and Humble]

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The Old Testament

Many FALSE Christians assume that Jesus invalidated The Old Testament so that three-quarters of The Bible can only be used for toilet paper. Not so at Landover.

The Christian way is to distinguish between ceremonial laws vs. moral law. Ceremonial laws were invalidated by Jesus and moral laws are eternal. The TRUE Christian™ approach is much - well - truer. We follow the entire Bible with very few exceptions:

• We're not required to make sacrifices because Jesus has given one sacrifice once for all (Hebr. chap. 9+10)
• We don't follow the food laws (Mark 7:15-19, Acts 10:12-16, Rom. 14:1-3) although some members still regard lobster with suspicion
• We don't observe OT (=Jewish) holidays (Gal. 4:9-11)
• The day of rest is Sunday (Acts 20:7, 1st Cor. 16:2)

The rest of The Old Testament was written by an eternal God who does not change and never repents.

Matt. 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

[Jobie4life]

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Either you follow it completely, or you don't. There is no room for gray area here. Either all of Leviticus is true, or it is not. Which is it?

[Meek and Humble]

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All of it is true, except for the parts that God later on in the Bible says no longer apply. They were true only for the time before Jesus was crucified. All the exceptions found in the New Testament are listed in my post above. The rest of the law is valid, as per Jesus' words.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Either you follow it completely, or you don't. There is no room for gray area here. Either all of Leviticus is true, or it is not. Which is it?

Excuse me, but as far as we know, you're not even a Christian. Why are you in here trying to provoke debate?

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

[Jobie4life]

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I seek an understanding. Either A) What parts of leviticus are relevent is up for subjective analysis, All of leviticus is true and we are all gonna end up in hell for loving bacon, or C) None of leviticus is relevent anymore. I'm not after a debate. I'm after an honest discussion, an honest explaination of why one verse is relevent and another is not.

[Meek and Humble]

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I seek an understanding. Either A) What parts of leviticus are relevent is up for subjective analysis,

It's not up to subjective analysis. Jesus says so quite clearly. It's completely objective. It's simply a matter of reading the New Testament.

We're not required to make sacrifices because Jesus has given one sacrifice once for all Hebrews 9-10

We don't follow the food laws Mark 7:15-19 Acts 10:12-16 Romans 14:1-3

We don't observe OT (=Jewish) holidays Galatians 4:9-11

The day of rest is Sunday Acts 20:7 1 Corinthians 16:2

The rest of The Old Testament was written by an eternal God who does not change and never repents.

Matt. 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

[Levi Jones]

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I seek an understanding. Either A) What parts of leviticus are relevent is up for subjective analysis, All of leviticus is true and we are all gonna end up in hell for loving bacon, or C) None of leviticus is relevent anymore. I'm not after a debate. I'm after an honest discussion, an honest explaination of why one verse is relevent and another is not.

Except where dietary laws were explicitly abolished, it is entirely relevant.

Romans 14:1-3
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Acts 11:7-9
And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat. But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

[Jobie4life]

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Still no answer?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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The answer has been given to you multiple times, but you refuse to accept it. For the last time, All of Leviticus and the the rest of the Old Testament stands except in cases where in the New Testament a new law overrides it.

This means a) We don't follow all of the OT (because of the NT rules)
b) The OT is still valid. Only a couple things were changed.

[Mistress Cookie]

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Either you follow it completely, or you don't. There is no room for gray area here. Either all of Leviticus is true, or it is not. Which is it?

Still no answer?

If you will open your heart to Jesus™, He will whisper into your ear what is True.

Aren't you even curious? Why not give it a try?


Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Still no answer?

Still unsaved?