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Satan has his hand deep in our youth! Using modern media like youtube, he is not only wooing our young to leave the faith, but now trying to convince parents to let them go.

Oh friends, I am so upset I am shaking as I write this. Let us gather as many prayer warriors as we can to rebuke the work of Satan, rebuke his demonic attack against our children!

Here is the video. I strongly urge people to skip this video unless they are True Christians™, and therefore armed with the whole armor of God (Ephesians 6:10-18).



Friends, let's use this opportunity to witness the LORD's might. Let's use this opportunity to encourage each other to stand firm in raising our children to fear God and fear His Good Wrath. Let's use this thread to help each other avoid this phone call in our own homes.

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I would advice young mothers out there to make sure they show their child the need to believe in and accept Jesus as their LORD and Master from a young age! This cannot EVER be underestimated. Use Bible stories, personal experiences, current events, ANYTHING to show your child that life is precious and at any moment the LORD could snuff the breath right out of their little lungs. Remind them He would be wise and righteous to do such a thing (Psalm 145:17), and that they ought to be grateful for the breaths they've had thus far, and to not take them for granted. Teach them the value of reading and believing what they read in the Holy Bible. Let them know that God knows they have sinned, they have committed evil acts (Romans 3:10-18). Teach them that because God is perfect and the ultimate in Goodness (Psalm 100:5; Psalm 106:1; Psalm 107:1; Psalm 135:3; 1 Chronicles 16:34; ), he is disgusted and disappointed and madder than spit at their sinfulness. Essentially, He can’t stand them, and because He is God, He doesn’t have to because no one can make Him. Remind your children that God has decided that they deserve nothing less than eternal torture, and pain, and agony for having made a perfect God mad at them with the way they are not perfect. Remind them of their imperfections often. Point out their faults constantly. Let them know it's not just what they do, but what they think that makes Jesus cry (Psalm 139:2). Show them pictures of Christ suffering on the Cross because of what He knew they were going to do 2000 years later (1 Peter 3:18). Don't let your kids grow up to think the A[theist] Word is anything but trouble.

You can email any pastor if you are a youth who is struggling with your faith. If you have any disgusting sins or horrible behaviors you need to confess, confidentiality is guaranteed. More importantly, by following the advice of the Pastors and establishing an appropriate tithing schedule, your Salvation© can be guaranteed!

Praise Jesus, and don't wait to train up your child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. (Proverbs 22:6).
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Amen, Sister!
I was raised in a God-fearing family and because of that Godly childhood, I am now married to a God-fearing man and bearing him little Soldiers for Christ, it is all because of my righteous beatings I recieved as a child to keep me on the right path.
I have never known anyone who had a Godly childhood, and did not grow into a God-fearing True Christian following the Bible to the letter, that proves Proverbs 22: 6.
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Hello Mary,
I am an Agnostic who was raised in a very religious family. My father is a deacon in the church. My family has chosen to accept me for the way I am. Now does that mean that they don't try to convince me? Of course not. Faith is something you should have within yourself. You may choose to guide someone, but know that you cannot force them to believe in a religion. Spankings and beatings does not help to guide a child. It only helps them become scared of the parent. I personally chose to shy away from religion because I am a firm believer of science. I have read the Bible and Studied every aspect for this religion but in the end science won my heart. It's great to guide someone but just know that you cannot force someone to believe.
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I am an Agnostic who was raised in a very religious family. My father is a deacon in the church. My family has chosen to accept me for the way I am. Now does that mean that they don't try to convince me? Of course not. Faith is something you should have within yourself. You may choose to guide someone, but know that you cannot force them to believe in a religion. Spankings and beatings does not help to guide a child. It only helps them become scared of the parent. I personally chose to shy away from religion because I am a firm believer of science. I have read the Bible and Studied every aspect for this religion but in the end science won my heart. It's great to guide someone but just know that you cannot force someone to believe.
Hey noosab!
Listen, why don't you start a thread of your own in the introduction forum so we can properly get to know you.
If you have any questions, please use the search function and if there are no posts which answer your question, feel free to ask!
Now that that is sorted, why do you hate sweet baby Jesus? You are directly objecting the bible, if your parents have not beaten you, they are false Christians, and they hate you (Proverbs 13: 24).
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Hey noosab!
Listen, why don't you start a thread of your own in the introduction forum so we can properly get to know you.
If you have any questions, please use the search function and if there are no posts which answer your question, feel free to ask!
Now that that is sorted, why do you hate sweet baby Jesus? You are directly objecting the bible, if your parents have not beaten you, they are false Christians, and they hate you (Proverbs 13: 24).
Well Mary I do not hate Jesus. I am just agnostic. This does not mean that I hate anyone. I have chosen not to hate a long tome ago because that goes against my morality. Also my parents choose not to hit us because that is wrong. Do you think Jesus has hit anyone in his life? If you believe in Jesus you follow his actions. And knowing this Jesus does not beat anyone
Because that is a big no no. Also my parents do not hate. Again Jesud does not hate. Mary were you not taught to follow the actions of Jesus?
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This is another reason why I chose to shy away from religion because of ludacris beliefs such as beating your children. I weighed my options and researched different beliefs before making my decision. I encourage other people to do so. Just because you are taught one thing all your life does not mean it's true. Maybe you should explore some other options too. You may be surprised
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Well Mary I do not hate Jesus. I am just agnostic. This does not mean that I hate anyone. I have chosen not to hate a long tome ago because that goes against my morality. Also my parents choose not to hit us because that is wrong. Do you think Jesus has hit anyone in his life? If you believe in Jesus you follow his actions. And knowing this Jesus does not beat anyone
Because that is a big no no. Also my parents do not hate. Again Jesud does not hate. Mary were you not taught to follow the actions of Jesus?
Who are you to say that beating children is wrong? Do you know a different Jesus then I do? If you READ the Bible then you would know that if your parents love you, they would beat you! And Jesus never had a wife or any children to beat, so that's why he never beat anyone, you atheist scum think you can go around telling us that we are immoral for following the Bible to the letter, where in the Bible does it say that beating is wrong, book, chapter and verse please.
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Well Mary I do not hate Jesus. I am just agnostic. This does not mean that I hate anyone.
Traditionally, an agnostic is someone who believes we can't know whether God exists. If that's what you think, I would like to know how you know you can't know. But if that's not what you think, then maybe you're a weak atheist or a fence sitter. Either way, your soul is in peril.

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I have chosen not to hate a long tome ago because that goes against my morality.
As an agnostic or whatever you are, how do you know right from wrong if you don't pay heed to the Bible?

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Not hitting your children is wrong.

Prov 22:15 Foolishness [is] bound in the heart of a child; [but] the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

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Yes.

Jn 2:13b-15 Jesus went up to Jerusalem, and found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: and when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

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If you believe in Jesus you follow his actions.
That's correct. The Apostle Paul said:

1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.

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Again Jesus does not hate.
Jesus hates those who belong to pseudo-Christian sects, such as the Nicolaitans.

Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

You talk about Jesus as if you believe He is a real person (which of course He is), but apart from the Bible, what evidence do you have that He ever existed? It seems to me that you believe things you think the Bible says. You need to know what it says.
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Who are you to say that beating children is wrong? Do you know a different Jesus then I do? If you READ the Bible then you would know that if your parents love you, they would beat you! And Jesus never had a wife or any children to beat, so that's why he never beat anyone, you atheist scum think you can go around telling us that we are immoral for following the Bible to the letter, where in the Bible does it say that beating is wrong, book, chapter and verse please.
And for the third time! Please start a thread in the introduction forum so we can properly greet you.
Oops I'm sorry I made a mistake, Jesus DID beat someone, please forgive me.
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Who are you to say that beating children is wrong? Do you know a different Jesus then I do? If you READ the Bible then you would know that if your parents love you, they would beat you! And Jesus never had a wife or any children to beat, so that's why he never beat anyone, you atheist scum think you can go around telling us that we are immoral for following the Bible to the letter, where in the Bible does it say that beating is wrong, book, chapter and verse please.
And for the third time! Please start a thread in the introduction forum so we can properly greet you.
Now now Mary I never said I was an atheist I simply said I was Agnostic. Also based on my morality that is how I feel. It is an opinion that cannot be changed on my part. And according to the bible Jesus is god so therefore we are his children and he has not beat us up. Mary when have I ever stated that you are immoral. Maybe the things you do are
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Well I actually don't believe in the bible. I have read it and believed in it at some point. Not literally but metaphorically. There ate just too many things I disagree with so I chose to be agnostic not an atheist because I believe there may or may not be a greater power above us. And yea I do speak about Jesus as a real person because I don't know of he existed or not. I cannot tell you that. But I have told you about the bible. And with regards to the quote you provided about Jesus physically abusing. Again it does not state that it just stated he became angry and flipped the table and told everyone to leave.
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And according to the bible Jesus is god so therefore we are his children and he has not beat us up.
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

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Well I actually don't believe in the bible. I have read it and believed in it at some point. Not literally but metaphorically.
Are you saying you take it as metaphorical now but used to take it literally? Or do you mean you used to believe it was metaphorical but now believe it is of no use?

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There ate just too many things I disagree with so I chose to be agnostic not an atheist because I believe there may or may not be a greater power above us.
So you are sitting on the fence. You're not an agnostic in the classical sense. Surely if there was an all-powerful, all-knowing God, He would have left His mark somewhere. Romans 1:18-32 tells us He has revealed Himself to everyone through creation.

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And with regards to the quote you provided about Jesus physically abusing. Again it does not state that it just stated he became angry and flipped the table and told everyone to leave.
Let's look at that passage again, friend.

Jn 2:13b-15 Jesus went up to Jerusalem, and found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: and when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

A scourge is a whip. The passage says Jesus drove them from the Temple. They didn't just leave of their own accord.

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Well I actually don't believe in the bible. I have read it and believed in it at some point. Not literally but metaphorically. There ate just too many things I disagree with so I chose to be agnostic not an atheist because I believe there may or may not be a greater power above us. And yea I do speak about Jesus as a real person because I don't know of he existed or not. I cannot tell you that. But I have told you about the bible. And with regards to the quote you provided about Jesus physically abusing. Again it does not state that it just stated he became angry and flipped the table and told everyone to leave.
Oh now I see, you don't believe in the Bible, so any verses we provide are meaningless to you, but you will still argue that when we are following God's word (The Holy King James Bible) that that is not what Jesus would do.
In other words, you are picking the parts of the Bible you want to believe in and ignoring the rest as if only the things that YOU want to believe hold more value than any verse you don't believe in.
By the way, there is no such thing as "agnostic", here is a great thread on the matter: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...light=Agnostic.
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Spankings and beatings does not help to guide a child. It only helps them become scared of the parent.
Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
God disagrees. Can you see now why your father is a despicable person who has made you vulnerable to Satan?
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Let's use this opportunity to encourage each other to stand firm in raising our children to fear God and fear His Good Wrath. Let's use this thread to help each other avoid this phone call in our own homes.
As a True Christian™ father and husband and covenant head of household, I have followed Joshua's example and exercised free will on behalf my wife and children and decided we would all serve the Lord.

Josh 24:15b But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

It is my duty to raise my children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord (Eph 6:4). I do this by diligently teaching them God's commandments.

Deut 6:6-7 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

I use the rod whenever they go astray. I limit their exposure to the outside world, so that may be "in the world but not of the world" (Jn 17:14-15). I figure that if they grow up isolated they will never really fit into the world anyway even if they want to. I sow distrust in their hearts so that they will be wary of what they hear from unbelievers and reject evolution and other secular teachings. Romans 1:18-32 is a good passage to use, but there are many others. I constantly ridicule unbelievers in their presence.

None of my children are fully grown yet, but they are learning not to think for themselves. I don't expect I'll ever get a call like that lady in the video.
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I agrre with you. Beatings doesnt help anyone.
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I am an Agnostic who was raised in a very religious family. My father is a deacon in the church. My family has chosen to accept me for the way I am. Now does that mean that they don't try to convince me? Of course not. Faith is something you should have within yourself. You may choose to guide someone, but know that you cannot force them to believe in a religion.
I completely agree! I would never suggest "forcing" a child to believe, because that's not really possible. A child would only grow up to see the manipulative parent's control diminish. No, what I'm suggesting is to encourage a child to know why they need to have faith. Constant reminders help. For example, in the western United States and Hawaii, Americans are understandably anxious about what North Korea might do with regards to launching a nuclear attack. Children are naturally nervous about this as well. I would encourage parents on the west to be honest with their children, let the know the effects of radiation, the burning skin, the blinding light, the coughing up blood and scraping away loose skin, and loosing clumps of hair at a time. Let them know they can expect to see many of their little friends die slow, painful deaths. Remind them their animal pets will die as well, if not from the radiation, then from being left behind as families race to the mountains to escape the fall-out. Children have fabulous imaginations, they can "see" this play out in their little minds. Parents can then, after calming the child down and maybe helping them clean their vomit, remind them that this will be less than what God has in store for sinners who go to Hell. This kind of pain and misery will never stop for the sinner. Remind them that they are sinners, and this is the kind of justice God has set up since Eve ruined things in the Garden. This isn't forcing them to believe, this is letting them have pertinent information so they can make an informed choice.



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Spankings and beatings does not help to guide a child. It only helps them become scared of the parent. I personally chose to shy away from religion because I am a firm believer of science.
If you believed in science like you say you do, then you would know that "behavioral conditioning" is a powerful tool for guiding behavior. Just as Pavlov got his dogs to salivate at the sound of a bell, the parent can get her child to tremble at the opportunity of sin.

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I have read the Bible and Studied every aspect for this religion but in the end science won my heart. It's great to guide someone but just know that you cannot force someone to believe.
This is precisely why the Bible warns us about following our hearts.

The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately wicked: who can know it?
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There ate just too many things I disagree with so I chose to be agnostic not an atheist because I believe there may or may not be a greater power above us.
How can you claim to be a moral person while publicly admitting that there are parts of the Bible you disagree with?

As long as you maintain that the world is round or that it is wrong to beat children with blunt objects, you can never be taken seriously as a moral person, since you have rejected the source of all morality.
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so I chose to be agnostic not an atheist because I believe there may or may not be a greater power above us.
By definition, agnostic is one without knowledge (from a- "not" + gnostos "[to be] known"). Belief requires precious little knowledge, namely, knowledge of the belief itself. The Holy Bible never speaks of knowing God through science (although science proves the existence of God), but of knowing God through the heart, as indeed, each man has the Law written on his heart. You can learn more about that here: Atheists: Deluded Fools Living in Denial. In essence, if you are not a True Christian™, you are rejecting God.
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