[Basilissa]

Re: Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent!

Ok, let's do this right, shall we? Bible is a book, a material object, is ink, paper and a hard cover, it was written by men, by human beings like you and me, who though they had the answers and even maybe take advance of christians beliefs to make them believe wrong things like hate women and another cultures.

I assume that when you wrote "take advance" you meant "take advantage."

With this caveat in mind, the answer is no. Large chunks of the Holy Bible were written long before the dawn of Christianity, so Christians knew very well what they were accepting as part of their sacred texts. Other parts were written by disciples of Our Savior, and just read the letters of Apostle Paul and you'll understand why we women are inferior.

In another words, Bible is an ordinary book, something with no sense or value at all, just like money, it only has the value people wanted to give it, nothing more, nothing less

In other words, you're saying that there's no God, because you're denying the basic principle of Christianity - that the Holy Bible is the Word of God.

Well, it's good that Mexico gets lots of hot weather, that will prepare you for your very hot final destination.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent!

human beings like you and me

My understanding is that The Bible was written by human beings like neither you nor me. I would be flattered if I could attain that level of faith and understanding permitted, by God, to a Ruth or an Esther or even a Deborah. Let's start at the very beginning, a very good place to start. When you read you begin with A, B, C and right there in Genesis Moses has the history of Creation. God's building blocks. But Moses was not at all like you.

1. Moses believed in God.

OK, right there: he did not sit down to write “a fake, wrong and satanic book” but accepted the Inspiration of The Holy Ghost.

II Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. KJV

By that means we have received God's instruction manual for life. God explains that mingling with inferior types is an abomination, and has backed up His Commandment in this respect with prolific plague. If it was just a made up fancy on the part of Moses, when The Israelites started with the mingling nothing would have happened. But something DID happen:

Numbers 25:9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand. KJV

Why?

Cavorting with inferior types.

Numbers 25:1 And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. KJV

Now God knew what would happen and in His Great Love warned The Israelites but did they listen? No. They thought they knew better than God. Beslutment includes any form of association with people outside The Covenant whether prostitutes or not, although The Bible is clear: all heathens or pagans (such as catholics) are equivalent to prostitutes. God says so. In fact they are much worse than whores as we know BECAUSE all heathens are commanded BY GOD to be killed whereas the occasional harlot is spared or even praised (Rahab for example).

But God loves His People and God knew just what to do. Having chopped up the miscreants the heads were separated out:

Numbers 25:3b-4…the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel. KJV

That is how much God loves us. Nothing is too much trouble for Him to deliver us from the clutches of foreign. You can read the rest of this beautiful example of His Tendermercies here.

The Israelites rejected God's Perfect Love but His Covenant endures.

Hebrews 8:10b-13…I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. KJV

I know my faith is weak and incomplete. You have none at all.

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[dudemon223]

Re: Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent!

Ok, let's do this right, shall we? Bible is a book, a material object, is ink, paper and a hard cover, it was written by men, by human beings like you and me, who though they had the answers and even maybe take advance of christians beliefs to make them believe wrong things like hate women and another cultures. In another words, Bible is an ordinary book, something with no sense or value at all, just like money, it only has the value people wanted to give it, nothing more, nothing less

alright you seem to be really confused, first of all women are not inferior to men the bible never says that, it also doesn't say it's ok to beat slaves, foreigners or poor people because they are slaves, foreigners, or poor the bible never says that either, people who say that are clearly suffering brain anurisms. The bible was written by men, but men who were subject to direct revelation by God and the control of the holy spirit. you should really read the bible before judging what it has to say. also never should you give up on your education, finding love or being an independent thinker, but becoming a christian would definately help you and you should really try venting your hatred in more constructive ways. also Niles, Chile is not a part of Mexico it's not even close to mexico, and for future reference, mexicans are not wetbacks and they only mow your lawn so well because mexico has a long tradition of hard work and industriousness.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent!

alright you seem to be really confused, first of all women are not inferior to men the bible never says that, it also doesn't say it's ok to beat slaves, foreigners or poor people because they are slaves, foreigners, or poor the bible never says that either, people who say that are clearly suffering brain anurisms. The bible was written by men, but men who were subject to direct revelation by God and the control of the holy spirit. you should really read the bible before judging what it has to say. also never should you give up on your education, finding love or being an independent thinker, but becoming a christian would definately help you and you should really try venting your hatred in more constructive ways. also Niles, Chile is not a part of Mexico it's not even close to mexico, and for future reference, mexicans are not wetbacks and they only mow your lawn so well because mexico has a long tradition of hard work and industriousness.

Please quote chapter and verse in the Bible (KJV1611) for your groundless assertions - and try to clean up your spelling, punctuation, proper capitalization and overall writing skills.

[Basilissa]

Re: Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent!

alright you seem to be really confused, first of all women are not inferior to men the bible never says that,

Wrong.

1 Timothy 2:11-14
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

it also doesn't say it's ok to beat slaves, foreigners or poor people because they are slaves, foreigners, or poor the bible never says that either,

Wrong.

Slaves:

Exodus 21:20-21
20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

Luke 12:47-48
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Foreigners (they should not just be beaten, but simply killed without mercy):

Ezekiel 9:6
6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

1 Samuel 15:3
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Isaiah 13:16
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

Hosea 13:16
16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Some of killed foreigners had to be poor poor, so the same rules apply to poor heathens (otherwise, God would say "but spare the poor").

people who say that are clearly suffering brain anurisms.

Care to revise your statement?

Try actually reading the Bible, not just memorizing a few verses that your pastor has selected for you.

The bible was written by men, but men who were subject to direct revelation by God and the control of the holy spirit.

Agreed! Glory! Praise !!

you should really read the bible before judging what it has to say.

Agreed. The Bible is such a beautiful document of our 's love for some and His hate for others:

Leviticus 20:23
23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

also never should you give up on your education, finding love or being an independent thinker, but becoming a christian would definately help you and you should really try venting your hatred in more constructive ways.

Um, which one are you recommending, being an independent thinker or a Christian? Because these two don't really go together.

also Niles, Chile is not a part of Mexico it's not even close to mexico, and for future reference, mexicans are not wetbacks and they only mow your lawn so well because mexico has a long tradition of hard work and industriousness.

Did you just say that they are very industrious at lawn mowing?

[Basilissa]

Re: Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent!

Next time some whining welfare bum aka democrat gives you some commie class-war nonsense about Jesus being some sweat-stinking blue-collar type, give them this:

There are a few hints as to the socioeconomic status of Jesus’ family. The common wisdom is that they were poor. Evidence for this comes from his birth in a stable/cave, the meager sacrificial offering, and Joseph's occupation as a carpenter. But a careful look reveals a different picture –

The nature of his birth (no room at the Inn) suggests that they were of limited means. Yet their means were not so limited that they didn’t apply to the Inn for a room, whereas most peasant travellers would either stay at the side of the road or stay with relatives. Hence, the election of staying at an Inn demonstrates at least a middle class background. Nor were they so impoverished that they didn’t make the journeys to Jerusalem for the holy days. And, apparently, Joseph made enough money that he had to go to Jerusalem to pay taxes. As indicated in another section, Joseph, was a master builder not a carpenter, and the opportunities for a master builder in the bustling area of central Galilee were many...

The wedding at Cana, and the participation of Jesus’ mother, suggest that they were squarely in the middle class. Moreover, Jesus had many friends and associates from the wealthy class (e.g., Lazarus, Joseph of Arimathea) and many of his stories indicate his familiarity with the issues confronting the landed gentry.

Finally, Jesus's education indicates that he was not a peasant. In those days, literacy was reserved for the top 3 to 5% of the population. No poor peasant's son would know how to read and write, speak Greek, and have an expert command of the scriptures.

Even if it were true that prior to Jesus' birth the family was poor, surely after he was born, with the gift of gold from the Magi, Jesus' family had sufficient funds.

"The manger did not symbolize poverty but a peculiarity of location caused by circumstances." (Spong, 1992, p. 144)

"There is notoriously little accurate information about Jesus's circumstances. But what there is clearly indicates that his family was well-to-do, and that his upbringing was of a kind available only to those with status and financial resources...Jesus is obviously literate and well educated...when education was essentially an adjunct of class." (Baigent, Lee & Lincoln, 1986, 30-31).

"In the Gospels, Jesus is called a tekton, a Greek word that meant not merely a carpenter skilled in making cabinets or furniture but a designer, construction engineer, or architect. A tekton could build a house, construct a bridge, or design a temple." (Starbird, 2003, p. 53)

The most common themes in Jesus' parables (vineyards, slaves, ownership disputes) would dictate that Jesus had been the owner of a large vineyard with serious production problems revolving around lazy slaves.

Conclusion:

Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent of society, his dad was an archetect and he owned a big vineyard with lots of lazy slaves who had to be beaten a lot. In, short, JESUS IS A REPUBLICAN!

AMEN!

I think it is time to revive this thread now, as it clearly shows some stunning parallels between Jesus and Donald J. Trump (): both rich, both appealing to the masses, both wanting to make their land great again, both innocently persecuted by Pharisee Democrats.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent!

AMEN!

I think it is time to revive this thread now, as it clearly shows some stunning parallels between Jesus and Donald J. Trump (): both rich, both appealing to the masses, both wanting to make their land great again, both innocently persecuted by Pharisee Democrats.

You have accurately explained history as few others have done, Sister Basilissa. We who live in the wealthy city of Freehold know our exclusive life of luxury is also the life Jesus lived. That is why we continue to be His favorite Christians.

It is unfortunate the story of a poor Jesus still circulates. People with neither ambition nor money think it is they, not us, who are favored by Jesus. We wealthy Christians will have the last laugh when we watch the lazy poor file down the path to hell.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent!

Isaiah 61:9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and theirs offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed.


God has told us if we give to the Church without restriction or regret, God will see our untethered gift and return it 100 fold. Planting a seed.


Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.


Commonly called an investment. Praise the Glory!

[Jim C. Lombardo]

Re: Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent!

I hear a rumor that the richest man who ever walked on Earth was Mansa Musa. His wealth, even adjusted for inflation was unparalleled.

Me, I don't think it sits so easy, knowing a Canaanite had access to so much wealth? Maybe it was an elaborate hoax, like the Nigerian Prince thing.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent!

Isn't that the guy who bankrupted everywhere he went due to over-trading the only commodity he could get his hands on but never actually inventing anything for himself? Typical 3rd world economics. Did you know some of them even buy weapons (such as tanks) then attack the designers (of the tanks) (and the manufacturers) (or their allies) failing to grasp a very basic principle viz. tank salespersons probably have something (e.g. helicopters) (with laser-giuded anti tank missiles) (or drones) and sure enough for each 2,120 tanks sold, which are quite expensive, you could stockpile helicopters and missiles to your heart's content. Especially since you're the manufacturer (and designer) and the goon you're selling to doesn't seem able to understand a) the basic principle or b) the price differential. It doesn't need to be military. The same thing applies to birthday cakes and little candles.

Luke 22:36 Then said [Jesus] unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Allowing the sale of a couple of thousand tanks to one's adversary provides two nice groups for getting clogged up with sand. The cake equivalent would be a pair of chocolate sponges steeped in good quality brandy for which I've allowed an appropriate sum. Insane adversaries however will also require several dozen additional tanks for general marauding; hazelnut fudge is used in my comparison, augmenting and unifying the major components in a similar way. Both the cake I've made and/or any tanks sold boost the finances as shown in the chart.

Soon though nut-bag dictators will succumb to their urges. To kill and to blow things up. "Fools," you can imagine them saying to their non-voluntary yet fawning audiences. "They sold us 2,120 tanks at an inflated unit price nevertheless representing an acceptable return on intellectual capital and now they will die." I'm going with 3 helicopters although one would probably be sufficient, it's not a bad training exercise I've heard, so that's one each for the two columns of tanks and a third for general marauding. Only one missile per tank is required according to the news but I've spent most of the accrued revenue on a good stockpile just in case. Obtaining a tasteful candle-tree and a bulk order of candles will serve much the same function when turning up to eat the cake you'd sold a day or two ago. Jesus was clear that funding weapons is more important than clothes and whereas swords would be enough to address the Roman menace these days we need missiles when negotiating with crazed despots surrounded by tanks. It's just the way it is.

In the following chart my comparison is fairly easy to follow. Revenue from sale of the cake I made earlier (or tanks) has been allocated to a lovely candle holder (helicopter) for 21 candles, a popular birthday request, with the remainder for candles (missiles) as shown. Not enough left for more candles which come in 2 gross lots so from selling the cake there's $14.66 available. This is shown as a residual amount. Sales of tanks and the subsequent missile unit cost gives an $80,000 residual. There's plenty of candles left over (and missiles) with the surplus given in the bottom row because you never know quite how many times they'll be 21 again.

. . .CHART

QTY	ITEM	$	.	$	compare	qty
2,120	.TANKS	.18,189.60m	.	.205.00	.BRANDY CAKE	1
3	.HELICOPTERS	60.00m	.	18.50	.CANDLE HOLDER	1
157,648	.MISSILES	18,129.52m	.	171.84	.CANDLES	12.gross
residual	(avail. for icecream)	80,000	.	14.66	.(avail. for icecream)
surplus	155,528 missiles	-	.	-	.1,707 candles

Exodus 15:3-4 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.

Jesus knew about the relationship between weapons and wealth. The capital investment needed reflects investments made for any purpose in a society. For example the French fishing fleet requires a substantial capital outlay but as a proportion of funds available overall is not excessive. Nevertheless a great effort is made by employers to maintain seaworthy vessels even after they've acquired them in the first place and the rewards are considerable. For the less motivated, the ones who just hang around see if they can pick up a bit of work when the absinthe runs out, wealth is not on the table. But these types were not disciples of Jesus who Himself was acknowledged as a skilled carpenter. Bespoke furniture, much like boats, never comes cheap. Visit a skilled carpenter and order a dining suite if you don't believe me! These are the people of The New Testament. Skilled artisans. Employers. They owned their own boats! Through hard work and commitment they prospered.

Luke 5:1-4, 7a It came to pass, that, as the people pressed upon [Jesus] to hear the word of God, he stood by the lake of Gennesaret, and saw two ships standing by the lake: but the fishermen were gone out of them, and were washing their nets. And he entered into one of the ships, which was Simon's, and prayed him that he would thrust out a little from the land. And he sat down, and taught the people out of the ship. Now when he had left speaking, he said unto Simon, Launch out into the deep, and let down your nets for a draught.

The disciples obeyed Jesus. There were many fish.
What follows reveals a sizeable business venture.

And they beckoned unto their partners, which were in the other ship, that they should come and help them.

And there's the difference between Christ Jesus and Mansa Musa. One send his minions forth in a futile attempt to demonstrate how much better than everyone they, bankrupting everywhere they go. It's banana republic economics seen across the world today. The other promotes sound fiscal policy. Anybody who travels even a little is amazed just how dumb some nations are. These are the lands without Jesus.

[Basilissa]

Re: Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent!

You have accurately explained history as few others have done, Sister Basilissa. We who live in the wealthy city of Freehold know our exclusive life of luxury is also the life Jesus lived. That is why we continue to be His favorite Christians.

It is unfortunate the story of a poor Jesus still circulates. People with neither ambition nor money think it is they, not us, who are favored by Jesus. We wealthy Christians will have the last laugh when we watch the lazy poor file down the path to hell.

Thank you, Brother Mayor. I am just a mere woman, so if I sometimes say something smart (for a woman), it is just a reflection of the inspiration I receive daily from our Pastors and other Godly men.

[Dana723]

Re: Jesus was among the wealthiest 5 percent!

Thank you, Brother Mayor. I am just a mere woman, so if I sometimes say something smart (for a woman), it is just a reflection of the inspiration I receive daily from our Pastors and other Godly men.

You are so very humble, Sister. I hope and pray I can become more like you!