[branch]

Re: God Hates Cripples

Well Skype itself is a pc application not a telephone, well them Msn perhaps? or yahoo messenger? be really good to talk one on one man, rather than clog up the forum with a bundle of posts!

[James Hutchins]

Re: God Hates Cripples

Nope, none of them. I prefer to have control over when my attentions are needed. On a forum, A person can ask a question and one of many can answer. Like have a bunch of kids. If a chore needs to be done, I do not wait a particular child, I grab the closest one and send him/her packing. Likewise, if they need me and I am not around, they go find the oldest other family member.

[branch]

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That's fair enough I suppose, I just would have liked a smoother transition of communication between us. But there we go! I have a question I would like to ask, and I would prefer it comes back without ridicule. But your faith does offer salvation through conversion. However wouldn't this be undermining Gods perfection well before now? Its just a thought, your reply will be most welcome!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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[...] I have a question I would like to ask, and I would prefer it comes back without ridicule. But your faith does offer salvation through conversion.

No, it does not. It offers learning, teaching and fellowship such that no one need fear descent into Hell and such that the reality of Heaven will be achieved

Salvation is the Gift of God and is through Faith Alone.

However wouldn't this be undermining Gods perfection well before now? Its just a thought, your reply will be most welcome!

No. God's Perfection is a man-made construct. As God is ineffable, we cannot know His Mind or Reasons - we can accept that He is perfect and that is as far as it goes.

He gives us an instruction manual, we follow it, we are raised to Glory.

[branch]

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But, now this is where is where I may seem a little slow, your church says heaven is achievable right? But like you said you believe God and his so called punishment to the handicapped to be a example of his perfection, for a faith to offer the alternative to damnation when a thing has been set in your standards, how can any change be made possible without conflicting with Gods will?

[Nobar King]

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You will not achieve the Kingdom of Heaven by ARGUING about it. You must believe it with your heart. Your handicap has clearly spread to your heart, because it's preventing you from feeling the love of Jesus. Don't let your 'protected status' interfere with your salvation. The state will let you get away with free parking because you can't walk easily, but God won't let you get away with wanting more just because you're capable of less.

[branch]

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Actually if you read my posts Nobar King, I do believe I will be able to enter into the kingdom of heaven. and we shall all see each other and be glad! and I don't drive so I don't use the free parking I walk as much as I can and use buses and trains! walking decreases pollution and keeps the earth a cleaner place

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Actually if you read my posts Nobar King, I do believe I will be able to enter into the kingdom of heaven. and we shall all see each other and be glad! and I don't drive so I don't use the free parking I walk as much as I can and use buses and trains! walking decreases pollution and keeps the earth a cleaner place

Isn't that pathetic? An unsaved gimp fantasizing about gaining access to Heaven?

[branch]

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Its funny how you men, claim to be righteous and good, yet as far as loving your fellow man, your doing terribly. Your petty and snide comments are on par with being childish and pathetic. You shall be judged by word and deed pastor, and I already know I have the moral high ground here. You people can carry on in slandering my good name and reputation. If thats what you need to go on in your lives then fine, but lets be honest you people are never actually going to change.

You pastor could not even admit that God is Perfect, to say your a man of the cloth and not to be able to admit that! very poor show indeed. Now because the good Lord is Good in all that he does, it has a purpose which is pure and right. So when God made me, it was done via perfection. as were we all. So I am perfect in Gods eyes as he is perfection himself. you cant deny that.

Deuteronomy 32:4

He is the Rock, his works are perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God who does no wrong,
upright and just is he.

[angels]

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Its funny how you men, claim to be righteous and good, yet as far as loving your fellow man, your doing terribly. Your petty and snide comments are on par with being childish and pathetic. You shall be judged by word and deed pastor, and I already know I have the moral high ground here. You people can carry on in slandering my good name and reputation. If thats what you need to go on in your lives then fine, but lets be honest you people are never actually going to change.

You pastor could not even admit that God is Perfect, to say your a man of the cloth and not to be able to admit that! very poor show indeed. Now because the good Lord is Good in all that he does, it has a purpose which is pure and right. So when God made me, it was done via perfection. as were we all. So I am perfect in Gods eyes as he is perfection himself. you cant deny that.

Deuteronomy 32:4

He is the Rock, his works are perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God who does no wrong,
upright and just is he.

Branch, I changed. I was acting and thinking exactly the same way as you. It took Mr Hutchins a while to help me understand. The people here do not profess to be perfect, only living the clean and good life which God has instructed through The Bible. I at first thought it was cruel and unkind the way Mr Hutchins talked to me. But Dear Branch, he was trying to save me, not punish or hurt me. So you see, people do and can change.!
The Pastor could have, no indeed should have banned me for the remarks I was giving out. But he cares about people and only wanted me to turn to Jesus, just as he wants you to do.

Please read you KJV, it will make everything clear to you.

God Bless.

[branch]

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I know that the people of Landover are far from perfect, in their moral ways, Disabled people can and will get into heaven, as we are perfect in Gods eyes, as God is love, perfect Love, can you understand that I simply cannot take this slander, as it simply isn't true? You have your faith, that's cool, but you people gotta accept ours as well, Jihad and other wars in the name of God serve to be one of the most Bloodstained pages in all of history.

the lesson is simple. we are all human and his Children and one as a spiritual family. creed, race, or ability has nothing to do with it. FACT!

[angels]

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I know that the people of Landover are far from perfect, in their moral ways, Disabled people can and will get into heaven, as we are perfect in Gods eyes, as God is love, perfect Love, can you understand that I simply cannot take this slander, as it simply isn't true? You have your faith, that's cool, but you people gotta accept ours as well, Jihad and other wars in the name of God serve to be one of the most Bloodstained pages in all of history.

the lesson is simple. we are all human and his Children and one as a spiritual family. creed, race, or ability has nothing to do with it. FACT!

I can honestly tell you, the folk on this Forum live their lives by God's word. Obeying The Bible is the way to go.
Nobody is slandering you, and if you feel this I'm sorry.
Of course every one can have their own Faith, but I wouldn't go on a different Faith Forum and start insulting the people there, or rather I did do that, here. It hurt peoples feelings and I am ashamed of my actions.

I agree with you the lesson is very simple. Live life by God's word alone, the one True God. Repent of our sins .

God Bless.

[branch]

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well slander is defined as thus;
words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another

Here are some examples
God is the one who chose to punish an ancestor of yours by making you a gimp. You claim to follow Jesus, but you seem rather unfamiliar with the Bible.

It is your task to struggle through life as an example to others of what no to do if they want to have healthy children and grand children.

From Capt Portway

This was from your Pastor;
It probably can't read Brother Capt. Portway. Maybe those demon Gideons forced their false Bibles on whatever institution it's in.

"It" rather than he, suggests a very lowly thing without purpose.

Another from Portway.
That explains why God smited you! You should have told me you were a ring-kisser and I would have understood immediately!

Say, while you're here, I've always wondered if those pedo "priests" of yours like to molest gimps as well as regular kids. Did you get raped like all the other Catholic kids?
__________________
Frankly a rather crude way to insult my beliefs.

From Mr Hutchins;
No wonder you are a worthless cripple. A lying papist!

This just goes to show, all cripples are bad. God has struck them for good reason. I plan to continue to make mockery of their infirmities, take advantage of their shortcomings. I know it is what God wants.

to make a mockery of the handicapped. very poor indeed.

These are just to name a few, if this isn't slander, what is it?

[James Hutchins]

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Not slander when it is true. You have proven to be a lier and a papist. You are deformed. You think God likes that sort of stuff? God loves an honest heart. Someone who says what they mean and means what they say. We are not hear to coddle and tell you stories to boost you up. We face reality. We know we are not perfect however we do strive for it. We call a spade a spade. So much of the world hides, afraid to say what is on their mind because "It might hurt someones feelings". Too damn bad. If I call a nigra a 'lazy shuffle footed retard' because of perceived behavior, it is up to the nigra to prove me wrong. I'll be the first to amend my comment. I see a gimpy, lying papist in you LackOfWonderBread. If I am wrong, prove it. Through out all your whinny posts, you keep asking others to prove it. Now I am asking you.

[branch]

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But what you say is Slander, I have a good heart I worship the almighty, this is not good enough for you? I work hard, I am not destined to go to hell for I believe what I believe. I do not ask to be molly coddled, but manners cost nothing James.

You have your version of the Bible, the King James, how are we to know whose is the correct version? for all we know, we could both be wrong! that is a fair statement.