[Wide-Open]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Friends, we are currently invaded by Engriesh people who love - dare I say it - Volkswagens.

Bless Baby Jesus for the persecution.

[ratter]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Friends, we are currently invaded by Engriesh people who love - dare I say it - Volkswagens.

Bless Baby Jesus for the persecution.

can i ask brother if a liking for Volkswagens is permitted in your interpretation of Gods word?

[Talitha]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

can i ask brother if a liking for Volkswagens is permitted in your interpretation of Gods word?

No.

[eliot mayfield]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

can i ask brother if a liking for Volkswagens is permitted in your interpretation of Gods word?

This has been covered in other topics, please use the search engine to find the appropriate thread.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Friends, we are currently invaded by Engriesh people who love - dare I say it - Volkswagens.

Are they the same ones who liberated the "Arbeit Macht Frei" sign?

[Genesis 25:30 Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Friends, we are currently invaded by Engriesh people who love - dare I say it - Volkswagens.

Bless Baby Jesus for the persecution.

Hello dear Wide-Open

You have passed the gods word to me through that wicked Volkswagen forum, and I have decided to repent for my evil ways of years gone.

Thank you for letting god work through you, to me. Bless you!

[Tingly Bill]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

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Whoa there, Nelly. How does someone "manipulate" a text through "literal interpretation?" Seriously, think about what you just said for just ONE second.

I have been waiting to hear back on this, but I feel I am bound to be disappointed since this is the point that all atheists always wander off to never post again. Sure, sometimes they just stop posting for two weeks only to post again on another thread, hoping that we will forget their transgressions. But I never hear a good answer tot his question. It is laughable that it is so easy to stump an atheist!

just to answer this question on behalf of all atheists. if something isn't true and you interpret it literally, then that is a manipulation.

hope this helps

[Meek and Humble]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

I don't think you understand what manipulation means.

Manipulation would imply you deny what the thing plainly says. Now, it may be a lie, but stating it's a lie is not manipulation.

Manipulation would be to say that it is NOT a lie, but claim it actually means something completely different then what is clearly stated.

There are only two options here - it is all true, or it is all false.

Nice try though

[TrapDoorGreen]

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Manipulation would imply you deny what the thing plainly says.

No.Thats contadiction.Manipulation is altering or distorting something in order to suit one's own needs.It has nothing to do with true or false.

Also, I find it strange that someone who describes themself as a poet(albeit a biblical one), agrees with the the phrase 'How does someone "manipulate" a text through "literal interpretation?'

Do poets only deal with literal interpretations?That's an oxymoron if ever there was one.I don't think you know what a poet is.

Nice try though.

[TrapDoorGreen]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

No.Thats contadiction.

ahem...contradiction not contadiction.I shouldn't type so fast.

[willrosillo]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

is palin wins the 2012 elections and america is run with biblibal law, i will personaly form a vigilante group of hundreds of thousands of "sinners"(atheists) and we will stop the palin-led government before it commits acts of genocide on most of the worlds population. the world would not her take charge. there would probably be a nuclear war, destroying all major countries and most human life. sounds like fun

[bobcat]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

They claim that the word "Sheol" is properly translated into "grave" and not into "Hell" as it is in the KJV1611. The problem with this is that Sheol is a he-brew word and can not be trusted. That is why the Bible was translated into American.

Whoa there, Nelly. How does someone "manipulate" a text through "literal interpretation?" Seriously, think about what you just said for just ONE second.

Well as Gabriel has kindly pointed out, every word of the KJV1611 is a manipulation by man.

The word of God was not written in 'American' (or English as the language is called, but since you do not wish to be associated with Europe it is fine to change that historical fact).

The word of God was in Hebrew. Man translated it and had to put his own interpretation on every single word he translated. This is manipulation - deliberate or not - it is still manipulation words in different languages often have subtly different meanings and have no direct translation.

Therefore nothing from the KJV1611 version can be taken as direct from God without knowledge of the translation - or more completely - without using the original version in the first place.


On a seperate point, going back to the concept of Rape as a punishment. I believe the words were as listed in Numbers 31:18

18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Who said anything about raping them? For that matter, since we are talking in 'American' here. Lying with someone can have a different meaning than sleeping with them. Oh hang on, that can have 2 meanings too, how about having relations - in fact thats not particularly explict. Well you get the idea. Keeping them for themselves (especially as the bible talks about slavery and purchase price of children elsewhere) may simply mean as domestic slaves: Leviticus 25:44-46

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.

Is it not possible that some of your literal interpretations are actually mis-interpretations.

As any poet knows, there is often more than one way of understanding a set of written words, even literally. I would suggest that there is a possibility for some mis-interpretation within the Americanized versions of the bible, and much more scope for mis-translation of the original.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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[ignorance deleted]Therefore nothing from the KJV1611 version can be taken as direct from God without knowledge of the translation - or more completely - without using the original version in the first place.

I really should keep a copy handy. If I have explained this once, I have explained it 1000 times!

1. God gave his final version of His Inerrant Word to James King of England and Scotland. This version corrected ALL preceding ones.

2. The Pilgrim Fathers took KJV 1611 to America. The language in KJV1611 was therefore English “born again” as American. It is just as different therefore, as a sinner and a saved soul.

On a seperate point, going back to the concept of Rape as a punishment. I believe the words were as listed in Numbers 31:18

18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Who said anything about raping them?

Why do you think the “women children were chosen and not the men children?

Leviticus 25:44-46

H[garbage deleted]way.

I think you meant,
Le:25:44: Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Le:25:45: Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
Le:25:46: And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

Is it not possible that some of your literal interpretations are actually mis-interpretations.

No, that is not possible.

Landover Baptist Faith and Message statement
"The Holy Bible, KJV1611, was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy.”

I would suggest that there is a possibility for some mis-interpretation within the Americanized versions of the bible, and much more scope for mis-translation of the original.

You obviously have not read anything I have written, because, above, I explain it all so simply that even a cretin could understand.

Your suggestions are so bad they are not even wrong.

[TrapDoorGreen]

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Ha!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_Baptist_Church,I knew this whole thing had to be a prank.And a damn good one!Brilliant....it was the bible quotes that threw me.I figured they were too exact to be simply made up.Fair play,the whole 'Baptist Church' does leave itself wide open for parody.You've turned winding up atheists into an artform.Once again...brilliant.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Ha!http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...3411728_Church,I knew this whole thing had to be a prank.And a damn good one!Brilliant....it was the bible quotes that threw me.I figured they were too exact to be simply made up.Fair play,the whole 'Baptist Church' does leave itself wide open for divine revelation.You've turned winding up atheists into an artform.Once again...brilliant.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but why do you think Christian faith is a prank? We have not made up any Bible verses whatsoever. Check for yourself.

https://www.biblegateway.com

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showpost.php?p=255088&postcount=1

First post of this thread. Go there. See the Biblical citations. Check the Bible. You'll see they match up exactly.