One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

[Samuel Coleridge]

One verse that is often translated incorrectly by these faithonlywit's would favor my loving works based Christianity. Unfortunately, after careful reasearch, it appears their King James Version clearly got this verse wrong.

KJV=Wrong
1 Corinthians 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

NIV=Right
1 Corinthians 13:2
If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

ean taiV glwssaiV twn anqrwpwn lalw kai twn aggelwn agaphn de mh ecw gegona calkoV hcwn h kumbalon alalazon

Agaphn a conjugation of agape, as we all know, means love.

KJV=Wrong
1 Corinthians 13:4
Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

NIV=Right
13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

h agaph makroqumei crhsteuetai h agaph ou zhloi h agaph ou perpereuetai ou fusioutai

Just one of many mistranslations in God's Holy word!

Your perpetual servant in the name of Jesus Christ,

Sam

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

Agaphn a conjugation of agape, as we all know, means love.

KJV=Wrong
1 Corinthians 13:4
Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

NIV=Right
13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

h agaph makroqumei crhsteuetai h agaph ou zhloi h agaph ou perpereuetai ou fusioutai

Just one of many mistranslations in God's Holy word!

Your own example shows why the NIV is untrustworthy. You've got three "agaph"s and three charities, but only two loves.

You presume to lecture us on whether "agaph" means love or charity. And yet you can't even count to three.

[Harold Law]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

One verse that is often translated incorrectly by these faithonlywit's would favor my loving works based Christianity. Unfortunately, after careful reasearch, it appears their King James Version clearly got this verse wrong.

KJV=Wrong
1 Corinthians 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

NIV=Right
1 Corinthians 13:2
If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

ean taiV glwssaiV twn anqrwpwn lalw kai twn aggelwn agaphn de mh ecw gegona calkoV hcwn h kumbalon alalazon

Agaphn a conjugation of agape, as we all know, means love.

KJV=Wrong
1 Corinthians 13:4
Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

NIV=Right
13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

h agaph makroqumei crhsteuetai h agaph ou zhloi h agaph ou perpereuetai ou fusioutai

Just one of many mistranslations in God's Holy word!

Your perpetual servant in the name of Jesus Christ,

Sam

Well... this is a great example of you "Overanalyzing" god's holy word in the KJV. I really have no interest in arguing with you, you're just too dumb... sorry.

But good luck to ya'

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

Such is the fate of those not able to count.

Here is the Landover Baptist Faith and Message statement

"The Holy Bible, KJV1611, was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy.”

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

Please see my world famous series on how to tell which Bible version is the one True Word of God HERE. All of your arguments are systematically pre-defeated.

I await your heartfelt apology and Love Offering to Landover Baptist Church, God's favorite.

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

Your own example shows why the NIV is untrustworthy. You've got three "agaph"s and three charities, but only two loves.

You presume to lecture us on whether "agaph" means love or charity. And yet you can't even count to three.

Truly! The translators used "it" as a pronoun used in place of Love.

Maybe we could have a tiebreaker. I give you Young's Literal Translation of the Textus Receptus.

2and if I have prophecy, and know all the secrets, and all the knowledge, and if I have all the faith, so as to remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing;

If your argument is that agape really means charity, I would be glad to be proven wrong.

Your humble servant in Christ's works,
Sam

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

So the translation that puts “Love” instead of “its” is OK but the one that puts “Charity” instead of (according to you) “Love” is wrong?

You say you believe that the word should be “Love” and you also believe that the Pope’s infallible and the death cookie is Flesh.

What’s your point? You think you know what the verse is; we are assured that KJV1611 is inerrant.

May I suggest that God’s Word really was “Charity” and the Greeks got it wrong? You say that in KJV1611 the translator made a mistake, yet that word was given to man under inspiration from his King and God.

You are putting your trust in some Greek monk, and The Lord alone knows what was going through his mind at the time when he wrote what he did.

OK, if that’s what you want to do, carry on. Don’t come begging and praying to us when you’re roasting in Hell.

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

So the translation that puts “Love” instead of “its” is OK but the one that puts “Chrarity” instead of (according to you) “Love” is wrong?

Is it Love or is it Charity? Either way, I'm okay with the answer. I am both loving and charitable. I would describe myself as the one of the most humble and kind Christians who ever existed.

You say you believe that the word should be “Love” and you also believe that the Pope’s infallible and the death cookie is Flesh.

I don't believe we have met. I'm far from a Papist. Transubstantiation is a silly superstition put forth by wacky Roman pagans.

OK, if that’s what you want to do, carry on. Don’t come begging and praying to us when you’re roasting in Hell.

Erm... I'm just hoping there is a cool neighborhood in Heaven close to the downtown/city center that has good coffee, interesting people and no Landoverites.

No offense,
Sam

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

[...]I don't believe we have met. I'm far from a Papist. Transubstantiation is a silly superstition put forth by wacky Roman pagans.

I apologize. Your rantings against KJV1611 and your obsession with esoteric trivia gave every appearance of a sinner versed in the propaganda of the Antichrist. If you will accept, I will downgrade my opinion to "cafeteria-Christian without hope of Salvation™."

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

Truly! The translators used "it" as a pronoun used in place of Love.

I see. The NIV doesn't have love, and the NIV doesn't have charity. But the NIV is full of "it". What a wonderful slogan.

Maybe we could have a tiebreaker. I give you Young's Literal Translation of the Textus Receptus.

2and if I have prophecy, and know all the secrets, and all the knowledge, and if I have all the faith, so as to remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing;

[COLOR=Black]If your argument is that agape really means charity, I would be glad to be proven wrong.

So when the NIV is proved wrong, you switch to Young's. Well, all you've proved so far is that the KJV1611 is not a literal translation. "agaph" can mean love, and it can mean charity, depending on the context:

Romans 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

In the context that you quote (1 Cor. 12:31-13:13), Paul is discussing the three Christian graces, Faith, Hope and Charity, so naturally the word is properly translated as charity in this context.

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

I see. The NIV doesn't have love, and the NIV doesn't have charity. But the NIV is full of "it". What a wonderful slogan.


So when the NIV is proved wrong, you switch to Young's. Well, all you've proved so far is that the KJV1611 is not a literal translation. "agaph" can mean love, and it can mean charity, depending on the context:

Romans 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

In the context that you quote (1 Cor. 12:31-13:13), Paul is discussing the three Christian graces, Faith, Hope and Charity, so naturally the word is properly translated as charity in this context.

Sir, you need look no further than 1 Corinthians 13:3 to realize that the text obviously refers to love.

And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Does that make any sense in the context? If I give away everything and offer up my own life for others, I don't have charity?

Your humble servant in Christ,

Sam

[Hank]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

Sam stop arguing with God's Word(tm) and start tithing to God's favorite Church, Landover Baptist(r). Trust me that will impress God a lot more come judgement day than trying to pick errors in His Bible.

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

Sam stop arguing with God's Word™ and start tithing to God's favorite Church, Landover Baptist®. Trust me that will impress God a lot more come judgement day than trying to pick errors in His Bible.

Shoo! The adults are talking here.

[Hank]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

Shoo! The adults are talking here.

Shoo? What in tarnation are you talking about shoos for you idiot? What does shoos have anything to do with the Bible?

Jesus wore sandals not shoos, I reckon its time you REPENT!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: One minor example of how the KJV gets it wrong again!

Sir, you need look no further than 1 Corinthians 13:3 to realize that the text obviously refers to love.

And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Does that make any sense in the context? If I give away everything and offer up my own life for others, I don't have charity?

Your humble servant in Christ,

Sam

You will recall that all those who say Lord, Lord are not holy, yet your claim is that all giving is charity. Clearly this cannot be the case. Charity implies a genuine selfless motive.

So even to someone such as yourself, 1 Cor:13:3 should have a meaning deeper than your naïve criticism. Naturally, however, my disappointment falls heaviest on your thought that The Word of God should somehow be less than perfect.

Your immortal soul is in peril as you persist in this worldly and arrogant display of pseudo-knowledge in a transparent attempt to gather kudos from God. Sir, you are not preaching to some hicks here, who may fall for your silver tongued sanake-oil salesmanship and thus tithe heavily into your coffers. No Sir, you have met your match and more besides.

I suggest 1Pe:5:5: Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.