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Well the bible was written 2,000 and some years ago it is still relevant today ( actually it was written for people today)

I know, right?

Exodus 29:10 “Bring the bull to the front of the tent of meeting, and Aaron and his sons shall lay their hands on its head. 11 Slaughter it in the LORD’s presence at the entrance to the tent of meeting. (This was a special tent that God lived inside. The people would worship in front of it, and Moses would go inside to talk to God).

13 Then take all the fat on the internal organs, the long lobe of the liver, and both kidneys with the fat on them, and burn them on the altar. 14 But burn the bull’s flesh and its hide and its intestines outside the camp. It is a sin offering

17 Cut the ram into pieces and wash the internal organs and the legs, putting them with the head and the other pieces. 18 Then burn the entire ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the LORD, a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the LORD.

19 “Take the other ram, and Aaron and his sons shall lay their hands on its head. 20 Slaughter it, take some of its blood and put it on the lobes of the right ears of Aaron and his sons, on the thumbs of their right hands, and on the big toes of their right feet. Then splash blood against the sides of the altar.

21 And take some blood from the altar and some of the anointing oil and sprinkle it on Aaron and his garments and on his sons and their garments. Then he and his sons and their garments will be consecrated. 22 “Take from this ram the fat, the fat tail, the fat on the internal organs, the long lobe of the liver, both kidneys with the fat on them, and the right thigh. (This is the ram for the ordination.)

24 Put all these in the hands of Aaron and his sons and have them wave them before the LORD as a wave offering. 25 Then take them from their hands and burn them on the altar along with the burnt offering for a pleasing aroma to the LORD, a food offering presented to the LORD.

26 After you take the breast of the ram for Aaron’s ordination, wave it before the LORD as a wave offering, and it will be your share. 27 “Consecrate those parts of the ordination ram that belong to Aaron and his sons: the breast that was waved and the thigh that was presented. 28 This is always to be the perpetual share from the Israelites for Aaron and his sons. It is the contribution the Israelites are to make to the LORD from their fellowship offerings.



32 At the entrance to the tent of meeting, Aaron and his sons are to eat the meat of the ram and the bread that is in the basket. 33 They are to eat these offerings by which atonement was made for their ordination and consecration. But no one else may eat them, because they are sacred


35 “Do for Aaron and his sons everything I have commanded you, taking seven days to ordain them. 36 Sacrifice a bull each day as a sin offering to make atonement. Purify the altar by making atonement for it, and anoint it to consecrate it.


37 For seven days make atonement for the altar and consecrate it. Then the altar will be most holy, and whatever touches it will be holy. 38 “This is what you are to offer on the altar regularly each day: two lambs a year old. 39 Offer one in the morning and the other at twilight


40 With the first lamb offer a tenth of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with a quarter of a hin of oil from pressed olives, and a quarter of a hin of wine as a drink offering. 41 Sacrifice the other lamb at twilight with the same grain offering and its drink offering as in the morning—a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the LORD.

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The bible has changed throughout time, by many different people. How can you live by it? Just this post itself shows how controlling religion is, and how much it has changed over time. Religion is about power, that is how it always has been, In the old days when churches controlled state you were persecuted for being a 'Free thinker' because the truth with proof was put out, and questioned religion. Which made people think, and churches feared losing power, so now another part of the bible changed God hates Rational thinkers.... Excuse us people for thinking rational that there may be more to the world than a religion, that science has more of background and more proof set in stone than religion. "the monotheistic god is an illusion based upon the infantile emotional need for a powerful, supernatural pater familias; and that religion — once necessary to restrain man’s violent nature in the early stages of civilization — in modern times, can be set aside in favor of reason and science. It is also because people do not know what the afterlife brings. In fear of this, is what makes an additional factor to why religion was created ---" Sigmund Freud. Read something by him, open your crusted eyes.

Well the bible was written 2,000 and some years ago it is still relevant today ( actually it was written for people today) and is a way ahead of the scientists.
On the other hand the scientists change their 'science' all the time. Today's science is tomorrows science fiction.
The reality is that God is the only answer. The only possibility. And the science proves that. The scientists on the other hand can't prove anything , when it comes to the start of life and 'evolution'.
So for me , I want something that is real.

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That's heretic thinking. God deserves only our undivided love. We shouldn't have to justify it, we simply know we're right. It's not very faithful if we have to demand proof of god's love, we need to always be faithful, no matter what Satan does to try to trick us.

There are many different God's in the world. There are many different Christian religions, in the world. How do you know which way to go? You have to test it out. God expects you to test it out.

Many people think God is cruel and violent. So they don't think God is loving.
So how do you prove to yourself and others that God is really loving. And deserves our following him. You have to test out God's word rationally to prove it to yourself and others.

[I<3Science]

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That kind of thinking is only what Satan is trying to make you think. You may think it makes sense but only because he's very good at trickery. Only us Christians see the truth. I pray that you repent before you burn in hell eternally.

Nah i'm good, i like being a free thinker. It keeps me from being ignorant and cut off from the world.

[CWCSonichu]

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The bible has changed throughout time, by many different people. How can you live by it? Just this post itself shows how controlling religion is, and how much it has changed over time. Religion is about power, that is how it always has been, In the old days when churches controlled state you were persecuted for being a 'Free thinker' because the truth with proof was put out, and questioned religion. Which made people think, and churches feared losing power, so now another part of the bible changed God hates Rational thinkers.... Excuse us people for thinking rational that there may be more to the world than a religion, that science has more of background and more proof set in stone than religion. "the monotheistic god is an illusion based upon the infantile emotional need for a powerful, supernatural pater familias; and that religion — once necessary to restrain man’s violent nature in the early stages of civilization — in modern times, can be set aside in favor of reason and science. It is also because people do not know what the afterlife brings. In fear of this, is what makes an additional factor to why religion was created ---" Sigmund Freud. Read something by him, open your crusted eyes.

That kind of thinking is only what Satan is trying to make you think. You may think it makes sense but only because he's very good at trickery. Only us Christians see the truth. I pray that you repent before you burn in hell eternally.

[I<3Science]

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God hates Rational Thinking!

Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

Today I would like to discuss a very real threat to any Faithful True Christian™. I speak, of course, about the demonic practice of “rational thinking.”

In these modern times, where evil people worship science, that spreads lies and blasphemies against God in our public school classrooms, there is an increasing pressure from the unsaved upon True Christians™ to embrace their religious practice of “Logic and Reason,” which is an euphemism, of course, for slandering God’s Holy Bible.

Why do I say this? Because, when anyone tries to applies rational thinking to the Bible, it suddenly doesn’t seem to make as much sense as it normally did, suggesting the Bible would be filled with contradictions and such. This, of course, already proves that rational thinking is a form of demonic possession, clouding the vision of the “freethinker” to the Truth™:

2 Corinthians 4:3-5:
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

This Verse proves that, when someone says that the Bible logically can’t be true, the person saying such a thing is blinded by the “god of this world,” which is Satan.

God, Loving and Caring as ever, therefore has filled His Holy Bible to the brim with warnings against knowledge, always urging us to not follow our own mind, but to blindly obey. I will revisit a few of these Verses.

First of all, it was the desire for knowledge that brought evil in this world in the first place. Does the name “Tree of Knowledge” ring a bell?

Genesis 2:16-17:
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:6-7:
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Here the Bible describes the beginning of all evil things, and as we see, it all began with men acquiring knowledge, and thinking rationally instead of blindly obeying God, as opposed to what God commands numerous times in the Bible.

Therefore, God has a lot to say about rational thinking. I will provide a small selection here:

Proverbs 2:6-7:
For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.

Proverbs 9:10:
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

The only acceptable wisdom is the kind that is given by the Lord, in the Holy Bible. Instead of asking critical questions, we should fear God (if you need some encouragement, look up Revelation 21:8)

1 Timothy 1:3-4:
As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Questions are a bad thing, unlike scientists claim. Fables, like evolution and all other stories that contradict the Bible, destroy faith, instead of building it. The same goes for the genealogies; the atheist might ask us how it could be possible that Luke and Matthew provide different genealogies for the ancestry of Jesus; this Verse tells us that these questions themselves are wrong. Period.

That’s how I know, for example, that books like the one that pervert Richard Dawkins wrote, “The God Delusion,” are pure evil: they destroy faith instead of building it, because it makes people ask questions. This Verse warns against such satanic practices.

Ecclesiastes 1:16-18:
I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

Even more, knowledge increases sorrow, and researching things in order to know them is a vexation of spirit. A clearer condemnation of rational thinking and people asking questions instead of just accepting everything as it is is hardly imaginable. Yet God has more to say:

Proverbs 3:5-7:
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

Do not think what your “conscience” or your “reason” tells you (thine own understanding). Do not do that what would be rationally responsible, but fear the Lord, which means obeying everything which is in the Bible!

John 20:29:
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Here, Jesus tells us that it is good to believe in something which is invisible, such as God. A rational thinker would never believe in something he does not see, as this would be irrational. This is why rational thinkers will not be blessed.

Ecclesiastes 7:16:
Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?

This is another simple warning from God against the efforts of man to research and understand things.

James 1:8:
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

One of the main tenets of rational thinking is the urge to look at things “from both sides,” or “nuanced.” Adding nuances to the Bible is nothing short of clear heresy, of course.

This Verse further confirms that people who try to “nuance” things by looking at it from different perspectives (like the Biblical and a non-Biblical perspective) are unstable, and therefore useless to God.

In short, we need to be single-minded, as there is only one Truth™. This means that any other supposed “truth” that contradicts our Truth™ is wrong by definition, which releases us of the duty to investigate it. This is further clarified here:

1 Timothy 6:3-5:
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

1 Timothy 6:20-21:
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

In other words, whenever someone tries to tell you anything that goes against the Bible, we should not listen to him and withdraw ourselves. If we would give in to the seductions of rational thinking, it would result in envy, strife, railings and evil surmisings.

To encourage man to abstain from rational thinking, God often punishes those who try to supplant obedience to God with this evil way of thinking:

Deuteronomy 29:19-20:
And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

God warns you: if you think you can decide for yourself what and what not to do, instead of obeying His Law, He will destroy you.

2 Chronicles 16:12-13:
And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.
And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

Asa grew proud in his later days, and trusted in the ancient equivalent of medical science instead of God. Therefore, he died a year later, as we all know that medical science, which is in its entirety a product of rational thinking, cannot possibly work, as people can be cured only by the mercy of the Lord.

1 Samuel 6:19:
And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

God has been very clear not to be nosy or ask questions. People wanted to look in the ark, showing the same curiosity that drives people towards science and away from God in modern times. God then kills 50.070 people as a subtle reminder that obeying His Commandments always is preferable over looking around and asking questions, like: “hey, what’s in there?”

Finally, to all the rational thinkers out there, if you think that you, because you have decided “rationally” that you know it better than God, and that the Bible would not be true, well, very simply put, then you are just too much of a fool to understand the Bible.

You cannot understand the Bible rationally, you need to believe in it, and only then you will see it starts to make sense. Until that time, you are deluded:

Philippians 4:6-7:
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

The peace of God cannot be understood. Rational thinking is useless.

Job 36:26:
Behold, God is great, and we know him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out.

You think to have smart objections about how God would be an illogical concept (asking uppity questions like: “can God create a rock He cannot lift Himself” and such), but this Passage clearly states that we cannot know God. Therefore, it is stupid to ask questions like these about Him.

Isaiah 45:9:
Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

Again, God doesn’t like people trying to fight Christianity using weapons like Reason and Logic.

Ecclesiastes 8:17:
Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.

We cannot understand how Creation is structured. That is why rational thinkers invent silly concepts like evolution: they really have no clue whatsoever what is going on anywhere at all.

Matthew 11:25-26:
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

You cannot see the Wisdom of the Bible, because God has hidden it from you. Be like a child (which means unquestionably accepting of whatever God tells you in the Bible), and you will go to Heaven.

Paul also has a lot to say about this in the First Epistle to the Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 1:18-25:
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

To “them that perish” (atheists) the Wisdom of the Cross is foolishness (atheists always mock the Bible by claiming that it makes no sense). To us, however, it is the “power of God.”

God will destroy the wisdom of rational thinkers. The wisdom of the world is foolishness to God. And the foolishness of God is greater than the “wisdom of man” (which is science, the product of rational thinking).

1 Corinthians 2:6-8:
Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

The Truth™ of the Bible is a mystery, which is why you don’t understand it if you approach it rationally. Get used to it.

1 Corinthians 2:14:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Again, the Bible seems foolish to people who do rational thinking. They are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 3:18-20:
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Again, rational thinking is foolishness. Just don’t do it, okay?

It seems that Paul was really getting the hang of it while writing the first epistle to the Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 8:2-3:
And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

Don’t try to discover things, because you will never know things. You should love God instead.

1 Corinthians 13:2:
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1 Corinthians 13:8:
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Knowledge is useless in the end. Rational thinking isn’t going to get you anywhere, so don’t even try. Charity is the thing we are looking for!

And of course, in reality even a rational thinker knows better. God does exist, that is obvious. The Bible already told that these fools would come one day, and they have no excuse not to believe in God:

Romans 1:20-22:
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools

Rational thinkers always seem to come to the conclusion that God does not exist and that the Bible is not true. This is because rational thinking is a lie. They are willingly ignorant:

2 Peter 3:3-7:
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

I hope I have made clear to everyone why rational thinking is such a dangerous thing. Do not think, just obey! Otherwise, Hell will be waiting for you! Do everything the Bible says without question, that’s all God asks from you!

Yours in Christ,

True Disciple

The bible has changed throughout time, by many different people. How can you live by it? Just this post itself shows how controlling religion is, and how much it has changed over time. Religion is about power, that is how it always has been, In the old days when churches controlled state you were persecuted for being a 'Free thinker' because the truth with proof was put out, and questioned religion. Which made people think, and churches feared losing power, so now another part of the bible changed God hates Rational thinkers.... Excuse us people for thinking rational that there may be more to the world than a religion, that science has more of background and more proof set in stone than religion. "the monotheistic god is an illusion based upon the infantile emotional need for a powerful, supernatural pater familias; and that religion — once necessary to restrain man’s violent nature in the early stages of civilization — in modern times, can be set aside in favor of reason and science. It is also because people do not know what the afterlife brings. In fear of this, is what makes an additional factor to why religion was created ---" Sigmund Freud. Read something by him, open your crusted eyes.

[CWCSonichu]

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Rational thinking is the only way to prove that God deserves our trust. So our faith is not blind, it is based on knowledge, and reason. Our following there after is based on experience of many that came before us. That is why the bible tells us about these ones. It's about what happens if you do good and what happen if we don't. So to follow Jesus is not blindly following him but is based on experience and the trust, that he wants the best for us.
It is based on rational thinking.

That's heretic thinking. God deserves only our undivided love. We shouldn't have to justify it, we simply know we're right. It's not very faithful if we have to demand proof of god's love, we need to always be faithful, no matter what Satan does to try to trick us.

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I whole-heartedly agree with this post. Jesus suffered and died for our sins, and we repay him with "rational thinking"? In order for us to get into heaven, we need to have no doubt and serve the lord blindly, always.

Rational thinking is the only way to prove that God deserves our trust. So our faith is not blind, it is based on knowledge, and reason. Our following there after is based on experience of many that came before us. That is why the bible tells us about these ones. It's about what happens if you do good and what happen if we don't. So to follow Jesus is not blindly following him but is based on experience and the trust, that he wants the best for us.
It is based on rational thinking.

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I whole-heartedly agree with this post. Jesus suffered and died for our sins, and we repay him with "rational thinking"? In order for us to get into heaven, we need to have no doubt and serve the lord blindly, always.

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Jesus preaching to demons makes no sense in the context of 1 Peter 3. He brings up the days of Noah, and how God waited patiently for them to listen, and how they did not manage to get saved on Noah's Ark, so are now trapped. He then goes on to say that we can avoid this fate if we get baptized and believe.

Adding demons in there makes no sense whatsoever.

Now, can I say. According to the Bible, we the righteous dead are resurrected, it will not be in the old bodies, but new bodies. Now, if there is no soul, and its a new body, how can it be said to be the same person that is rising?

1 Corinthians 15: 42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

“Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, that he might lead you to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.” Noah’s faith, expressed in the constructing of the ark, resulted in preservation for himself and his family. In a corresponding way, those who, on the basis of faith in the resurrected Christ, dedicate themselves to God, get baptized in symbol of that faith, and continue to do God’s will are saved and are granted a good conscience by God.—3:4, 7, 10-12,*18.
What this is saying is that in Noahs time he put faith in God that made possible the preservation for himself and his family.
So now our faith in what Jesus did, can save our lives.
The reason Jesus ministered( declared) to Satan and his demons, was because , Jesus bought back the perfect life, that Adam lost. It wasn't up until this time that , that Satan was proved a liar. So from now on the future for Satan and his demons, was the abyssing ( prison) and then the final destruction of death, to those ones.
Before Jesus died, their( demons) future was uncertain.

Now when Jesus was resurrected from the dead.

John 20:11-18 (King James Version)

11But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

12And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

13And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my LORD, and I know not where they have laid him.

14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

So even when Jesus was resurrected he materialized to Mary, but she did not recognize him.
This saying that a new body will be given to the ones that are resurrected to the earth. It is not the old body, as it is gone. But your personality, and thinking will be the same. If you think about it the resurrection to earth is a direct creation of the individuals. The bible says God even saw the embryo of a prson. So he knows the make up of that person.
But as for spiritual ones ( 144,000 the seal number) that go to heaven, to rule the earth with Jesus, will become spirit creatures.

Most of the bible is written for the ones that go to heaven , even though by far, most will be resurrected to the earth. But all follow Jesus in the same manner. So the information is the same for both groups.

[Meek and Humble]

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This is saying Jesus died for us ( the unjust ) then it says he ( Jesus ) is put to death, but rises as a spirit , because of that he also went and talked to the spirits ( demons) .

Jesus preaching to demons makes no sense in the context of 1 Peter 3. He brings up the days of Noah, and how God waited patiently for them to listen, and how they did not manage to get saved on Noah's Ark, so are now trapped. He then goes on to say that we can avoid this fate if we get baptized and believe.

Adding demons in there makes no sense whatsoever.

Now, can I say. According to the Bible, we the righteous dead are resurrected, it will not be in the old bodies, but new bodies. Now, if there is no soul, and its a new body, how can it be said to be the same person that is rising?

1 Corinthians 15: 42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

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Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

This is saying Jesus died for us ( the unjust ) then it says he ( Jesus ) is put to death, but rises as a spirit , because of that he also went and talked to the spirits ( demons) .

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Actually it doesn't say they died after his death. It just says he preached to the spirits in prison. And the word 'spirit' is used not souls.

It says they died before Jesus. The way Jesus was able to minister to them was His own temporary death.

Reading comprehension is really not your strong suit.

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The Bible says Jesus went and preached to the souls in their prison of those who died after His death.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Actually it doesn't say they died after his death. It just says he preached to the spirits in prison. And the word 'spirit' is used not souls.

1 Peter 3:15-20 (King James Version)

15But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

16Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

17For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.


Luke 8:30-34 (King James Version)

30And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.

31And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.

Into the 'deep' means the abyss ( Satan and his demons know that they are going to be put in prison bonds)

2 Peter 2:4 (King James Version)

4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

In this case the word hell is used, for a prison, and it is in darkness ( spiritual darkness)

Jude 1: 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


The the spirits here are the Demons.

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You're talking about before Jesus died and opened the gates to Paradise. Before then the spirits were in a sort of jail, a "limbo of the fathers". Jesus opened the gates to heaven, starting with the thief he promised would be with Him in paradise that day.

What 'limbo of fathers'?