[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

What you quoted has nothing to do with what Brother Basher posted. I don't care what your heretical footnotes say.


Maybe because they are written in two completely different languages, you mongoloid.

You cannot say a Hebrew word applies to a Greek text.

Because of the different languages , it is important to understand the original meaning. Even in the same language,the meaning of words can change over a period of time. The pagan Greek philosophers gave to the word,( soul) including that of “departed spirit, etc. Has nothing to do with the Hebrew meaning. If we want an accurate understanding, then this is important.
And no I don't live in Mongolia.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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The basic understanding of what happens when we die, what is a soul ,and what is the resurrection etc. does not change in the bible, that is so with the NT as well.

What you quoted has nothing to do with what Brother Basher posted. I don't care what your heretical footnotes say.

Really it is a mistake to say OT and NT because the bible is really one book , made up, of writings from about 39 different writers.

Maybe because they are written in two completely different languages, you mongoloid.

You cannot say a Hebrew word applies to a Greek text.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

The basic understanding of what happens when we die, what is a soul ,and what is the resurrection etc. does not change in the bible, that is so with the NT as well. Really it is a mistake to say OT and NT because the bible is really one book , made up, of writings from about 39 different writers whom God used as human pens.
We want the understanding from the whole bible, and what the bible says before Jesus came, explains many of the basic truths.

Corrected your mistake friend.

[epignosis]

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Quit copying and pasting footnotes from the Jerusalem Bible.

What does Ne′phesh have to do with the New Testament verse my brother posted?

The basic understanding of what happens when we die, what is a soul ,and what is the resurrection etc. does not change in the bible, that is so with the NT as well. Really it is a mistake to say OT and NT because the bible is really one book , made up, of writings from about 39 different writers.
We want the understanding from the whole bible, and what the bible says before Jesus came, explains many of the basic truths.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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Ne′phesh comes from a root meaning “breathe” and in a literal sense ne′phesh could be rendered as “a breather.” Koehler and Baumgartner’s Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros (Leiden, 1958, p. 627) defines it as: “the breathing substance, making man a[nd] animal living beings Gn 1, 20, the soul (strictly distinct from the greek notion of soul) the seat of which is the blood Gn 9, 4f Lv 17,*11 Dt 12,*23: (249 X) .*.*. soul = living being, individual, person.”
As for the Greek word psy‧khe′, Greek-English lexicons give such definitions as “life,” and “the conscious self or personality as centre of emotions, desires, and affections,” “a living being,” and they show that even in non-Biblical Greek works the term was used “of animals.” Of course, such sources, treating as they do primarily of classical Greek writings, include all the meanings that the pagan Greek philosophers gave to the word, including that of “departed spirit,” “the immaterial and immortal soul,” “the spirit of the universe,” and “the immaterial principle of movement and life.” Some of the pagan philosophers taught that the soul emerged from the body at death, the term psy‧khe′ was also applied to the “butterfly or moth,” which creatures go through a metamorphosis, changing from caterpillar to winged creature.—Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, revised by H.*Jones, 1968, pp. 2026, 2027; Donnegan’s New Greek and English Lexicon, 1836, p. 1404.

Quit copying and pasting footnotes from the Jerusalem Bible.

What does Ne′phesh have to do with the New Testament verse my brother posted?

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

The scriptures say the flesh is mortal. What about the spirit?

I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:23)

Ne′phesh comes from a root meaning “breathe” and in a literal sense ne′phesh could be rendered as “a breather.” Koehler and Baumgartner’s Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros (Leiden, 1958, p. 627) defines it as: “the breathing substance, making man a[nd] animal living beings Gn 1, 20, the soul (strictly distinct from the greek notion of soul) the seat of which is the blood Gn 9, 4f Lv 17,*11 Dt 12,*23: (249 X) .*.*. soul = living being, individual, person.”
As for the Greek word psy‧khe′, Greek-English lexicons give such definitions as “life,” and “the conscious self or personality as centre of emotions, desires, and affections,” “a living being,” and they show that even in non-Biblical Greek works the term was used “of animals.” Of course, such sources, treating as they do primarily of classical Greek writings, include all the meanings that the pagan Greek philosophers gave to the word, including that of “departed spirit,” “the immaterial and immortal soul,” “the spirit of the universe,” and “the immaterial principle of movement and life.” Some of the pagan philosophers taught that the soul emerged from the body at death, the term psy‧khe′ was also applied to the “butterfly or moth,” which creatures go through a metamorphosis, changing from caterpillar to winged creature.—Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, revised by H.*Jones, 1968, pp. 2026, 2027; Donnegan’s New Greek and English Lexicon, 1836, p. 1404.


Joshua 11:11 (King James Version)

11And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe: and he burnt Hazor with fire.


The soul is just the life you have.


Ezekiel 18:4 (King James Version)

4Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

To say that anything survives death, like a soul, is in contradiction of the scriptures. That is also why 'Hell Fire' is symbolic.
Some are resurrected by God to heaven as spirit creatures, but most, are resurrected to the earth. And the ones that are not resurrected, are going into the 'lake of fire' which is the second death. (no resurrection) just death.
This is how you get the bible to interpret itself, without contradictions.
Man was created for the earth. That is where he is going to be resurrected to. ( only a sealed number are resurrected to heaven as a spirit creatures. and their purpose is to rule with Jesus.) Who are they going to rule? Those that are on the earth.


Everything is very rational.

[Meek and Humble]

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These scriptures explain this for you.

No, they don't.

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Isaiah 49:1 Listen to me, you islands; hear this, you distant nations: Before I was born the LORD called me; from my birth he has made mention of my name.

This scripture says man is mortal.

The scriptures say the flesh is mortal. What about the spirit?

I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:23).



For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow (body), and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).


“There is a spirit in man; and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding” (Job 32:8).



If “spirit” meant merely “breath,” God certainly would not deal with it as a personality. He is called “The God of the spirits of all flesh” (Numbers 16:22), and “the Father of spirits” (Hebrews 12:9).


“For God is my witness, Whom I serve with my spirit in the Gospel” (Romans 1:9)


Abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul (Peter 2:11).

[epignosis]

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“2 Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive. 3 Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.” (Ecclesiastes 4:2-3)

These scriptures explain this for you.

Jeremiah 20:18 (King James Version)

18Wherefore came I forth out of the womb to see labour and sorrow, that my days should be consumed with shame?

Luke 23:29 (King James Version)

29For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

“That which hath been is named already, and it is known that it is man, neither may he contend with him that is mightier than he.” (Ecclesiastes 6:10)

This is talking about Adam and mankind after him, in the low state in which we are now. ( after sin)

Job 4:17 (English Standard Version)

17(A) 'Can mortal man be in the right before[a] God?
Can a man be pure before his Maker?


This scripture says man is mortal.

“1 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the LORD unto Bethel; and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense. 2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said: O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD: Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.” (I Kings 13:1-2)

2 Kings 23:1-20 (King James Version)

2 Kings 23

1And the king sent, and they gathered unto him all the elders of Judah and of Jerusalem.

2And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the LORD.........................

14And he brake in pieces the images, and cut down the groves, and filled their places with the bones of men.

15Moreover the altar that was at Bethel, and the high place which Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin, had made, both that altar and the high place he brake down, and burned the high place, and stamped it small to powder, and burned the grove.

16And as Josiah turned himself, he spied the sepulchres that were there in the mount, and sent, and took the bones out of the sepulchres, and burned them upon the altar, and polluted it, according to the word of the LORD which the man of God proclaimed, who proclaimed these words.

17Then he said, What title is that that I see? And the men of the city told him, It is the sepulchre of the man of God, which came from Judah, and proclaimed these things that thou hast done against the altar of Bethel.

18And he said, Let him alone; let no man move his bones. So they let his bones alone, with the bones of the prophet that came out of Samaria.

19And all the houses also of the high places that were in the cities of Samaria, which the kings of Israel had made to provoke the Lord to anger, Josiah took away, and did to them according to all the acts that he had done in Bethel.

20And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars, and burned men's bones upon them, and returned to Jerusalem.


verses 13-20 show that the verses 1-2 was fulfilled


So man is mortal. And that God can see into the womb.

[Meek and Humble]

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Jesus had a pre human existence. ( humans do not)

They don't?

“2 Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive. 3 Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.” (Ecclesiastes 4:2-3)

“That which hath been is named already, and it is known that it is man, neither may he contend with him that is mightier than he.” (Ecclesiastes 6:10)

“1 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the LORD unto Bethel; and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense. 2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said: O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD: Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.” (I Kings 13:1-2)

[epignosis]

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Have you ever read a Bible? Jesus has been immortal since before Creation.

John 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

John 17:24 Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.

Jesus had a pre human existence. ( humans do not)
Did you notice in John 17:24, that Jesus says that his Father gave him the followers, his Father also gave him his love, . this verse also says Jesus was before the formation of the earth.

Colossians 1:15 (King James Version)

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

This scriptures says Jesus is like ( image ) God. And that Jesus was the first born. ( first creation of God)


John 1:1 (King James Version)

John 1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Did you knotice here that the Word was with God.

So Jesus was with God, in the beginning, of all creation.


Genesis 1:26 (King James Version)

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Did you notice here the bible says let us make man in our image.

This is using the plural from and using us and our
So this is talking about at least 2 entities.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Also Jesus was given immortality not until after he died for mankind. He was the first one ever to get immortality. None of the angels have it.

Have you ever read a Bible? Jesus has been immortal since before Creation.

John 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

John 17:24 Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.

[Meek and Humble]

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(Sounds Of Siberia is fake)?

So when evidence is presented to you, you just call it fake. Man, you're arrogant.

[Beyondthesmegma]

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You are a perfect example of why God HATES Rational Thinking!

How arrogant of you to questions the word of the infinite God, the, maker of heaven and earth, who knows everything and has a plan for us all. For you to . question Him is ridiculous and that's why you're going to Hell. Say hi to Satan. Send me a postcard.

I am not being arrogant. However you are being ignorant. Do you have any proof of Hell besides the Bible (Sounds Of Siberia is fake)?

[Tea_Party_Minister]

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So just because the Bible says that it itself is true, will you believe that it is true?

You are a perfect example of why God HATES Rational Thinking!

How arrogant of you to questions the word of the infinite God, the, maker of heaven and earth, who knows everything and has a plan for us all. For you to . question Him is ridiculous and that's why you're going to Hell. Say hi to Satan. Send me a postcard.

[Meek and Humble]

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Can you show me that Socrates, Hitler and Ghandi are in Hell? Can I see if they're in Hell. Have you seen if they are in Hell? Do you have confirmation that they're in Hell? Of course not.

Have you ever seen Socrates, Hitler or Gandhi?

Keep in mind, the Bible was originally an oral script passed down from generation to generation.

Do you have any evidence for that?