[Finland FTW]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Your arguments are fine, as long as you accept that reading requires logic - I don't think it does - all it is, is learning words.

I suggest you think of riding a bicycle - theoretically this requires logic - in practice, you do it unconsciously.

If reading didn’t require logic then we would instantly know how to read and the only thing we would have to do is to learn the meaning of the words. Is this how it is in real life? No. No one just knows how to read or how to ride a bike, we all have to learn how to do so.
When you teach someone how to read, what do you start with? The alphabet and how every letter is pronounced. Then the person slowly read words by saying how every letter is pronounced and then interpret it to which word it is. and THEN give the word a meaning.

But when you have practised this for a while it goes faster and you don't really think about what you are doing, same thing with riding a bike and everything else. When you practise something, you become better at it.

And by the way, you're using lodgic to come up with your arguments

[Meek and Humble]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

If reading didn’t require logic then we would instantly know how to read and the only thing we would have to do is to learn the meaning of the words. Is this how it is in real life? No. No one just knows how to read or how to ride a bike, we all have to learn how to do so.
When you teach someone how to read, what do you start with? The alphabet and how every letter is pronounced. Then the person slowly read words by saying how every letter is pronounced and then interpret it to which word it is. and THEN give the word a meaning.

But when you have practised this for a while it goes faster and you don't really think about what you are doing, same thing with riding a bike and everything else. When you practise something, you become better at it.

And by the way, you're using lodgic to come up with your arguments

Wow, you really are retarded.

[Finland FTW]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Wow, you really are retarded.

Wow, you really can't make grown up arguments, can you?

How can I be the retarded one when you say that logic is evil and want to stop using it? Retarded = lover IQ = not as good ability to use logic. If you want to stop using logic, you are the definition of retarded. Or that’s not really true, the retards would be considerably smarter than you since you would have to live as a plant or a one celled organism.

[MisterM]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Wow, you really are retarded.

You have to understand that he is Finn. He has no idea of the dualistic meaning of the word Logic as formal system to study new things and the common language form that has just the meaning of using information to decide next action.

Same thing with rational thinking. The way we are now referring to it is the "scientific thinking". The problem with the scientific thinking is the fact that it has defined so called Laws of nature that describe our surrounding environment and phenomenons - which in many cases gives us quite precise predictions - but fails in deeper observation just because they fail to take in count the All Mighty God and His power over everything. So we now have things like theory of gravity that in this moment gives us good approximation of speed of atheist hitting the ground after jumping from building. Problem is that if God decides, He can change the rules in any moment, like he has done with rules how long people live. Scientists say that you cannot change something like gravity without everything else failing but they lack the understanding of God. He can do ANYTHING.

That is why rational thinking fails. We try to rationalize things using these rules that actually don't apply. Same with the "logic". It is not logical to someone turn to pillar of salt. Our "scientists" say that it is not rational. But hey, tell that to Lot's wife

[Meek and Humble]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

You have to understand that he is Finn.

Oh yes, that explains it!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Oh yes, that explains it!

It has long been my belief that all that blubber chewing damages the brain. So retardation is considered the norm up there in Finland.

[Shiatan]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

When the time of judgement comes, you hatemongering, warped minded, racist, bigoted, evil, disgustingly programmed parasitical beings of piety will burn in the hell of your own creation. I smile as i read that "filthy mexicans" enjoy the benefits of your "promised land", i rejoice, as within your ranks the confusion between truth and archaic dogmatic beliefs rapes every grain of true faith that ever existed in your church.

Oh and by the way, i have notified many hate-crime and racism agencies in your country and my own to rectify this seething cesspool of evil thoughts and words. Enjoy explaining your neo-terrorist dogmas to them you vile cowards.

oh, and before you delete this, can you see i am equally in violation of the rules as many of your "pastors"? (inciting hatred)

[Nobar King]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Oh and by the way, i have notified many hate-crime and racism agencies in your country and my own to rectify this seething cesspool of evil thoughts and words. Enjoy explaining your neo-terrorist dogmas to them you vile cowards.

I hope you sent something to the UN World Conference Against Racism.

[MisterM]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

When the time of judgement comes, you hatemongering, warped minded, racist, bigoted, evil, disgustingly programmed parasitical beings of piety will burn in the hell of your own creation.

How dare you call us racists and hatemongers! We are not racist. And we don't hate anyone. We all even you filthy mexican heathens. God hates.

Please stop hating and start loving Jesus and you'll be saved.

YiC,
Miikka

[Finland FTW]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

You have to understand that he is Finn. He has no idea of the dualistic meaning of the word Logic as formal system to study new things and the common language form that has just the meaning of using information to decide next action.

Same thing with rational thinking. The way we are now referring to it is the "scientific thinking". The problem with the scientific thinking is the fact that it has defined so called Laws of nature that describe our surrounding environment and phenomenons - which in many cases gives us quite precise predictions - but fails in deeper observation just because they fail to take in count the All Mighty God and His power over everything. So we now have things like theory of gravity that in this moment gives us good approximation of speed of atheist hitting the ground after jumping from building. Problem is that if God decides, He can change the rules in any moment, like he has done with rules how long people live. Scientists say that you cannot change something like gravity without everything else failing but they lack the understanding of God. He can do ANYTHING.

That is why rational thinking fails. We try to rationalize things using these rules that actually don't apply. Same with the "logic". It is not logical to someone turn to pillar of salt. Our "scientists" say that it is not rational. But hey, tell that to Lot's wife

1. I'm not from Finland; your admins thought it would be fun to mess up my profile.

2. I don't think there is a dualistic meaning to the word logic. It’s the same logic you’re using for both things. But please explain more if you like

3. same thing with rational thinking. all though I think you are partly right about that you mainly mean what you call "scientific thinking" but in the first post I think he goes a bit beyond that.

4. the rest of your text is basically Humes attack of the causal principle, which I could easily defend with Kant’s defense of it. But since you added that it’s thanks to god, you created something that’s both impossible to prove and disprove. The only way for me to get you to understand why this is incorrect is to make you stop believing in god. But I don't think you guys will ever do that, so it's just unnecessary for me to vast my energy on that. So I'll just drop it.

[Finland FTW]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Oh yes, that explains it!

If you don't have anything to say that actually contributes to the conversation, then why don't you go and eat a cookie and be quiet while we have a grown up talk?

[Jacob Hauty]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

If you don't have anything to say that actually contributes to the conversation, then why don't you go and eat a cookie and be quiet while we have a grown up talk?

You should probably learn some respect to your superiors before labeling yourself as "grown up." I'm glad I don't live in Finland! I'd be blushing.

[11cookies]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

If God exists, wouldn't it be rational to believe in God, therefore wouldn't rational thinking lead to belief?

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

If God exists, wouldn't it be rational to believe in God, therefore wouldn't rational thinking lead to belief?

Belief and faith are visceral and have nothing to do with logic. I feel God and He talks to my heart. That's how I know He exists.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

If God exists, wouldn't it be rational to believe in God, therefore wouldn't rational thinking lead to belief?

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.