[Shimei]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

And also, Shimmy.

Your fluffy bunny liberal Christian appeals to a distinctly Greek meaning of the term "perfect". What language did Jesus speak? Are you saying the original language of the gospels was Greek?

How does he know the actual gist of what Jesus is quoted as saying in Greek probably translated from Aramaic eventually into English better than all of the Th.D.'s; Ph.D.'s, Master's of Theology and etc.?

Are the modern translations somehow more accurate when they substitute "perfect" for "mature" selectively? They are somehow more in tune with Jesus than people were say 400 years ago when the KJV was first translated.

I would be fascinated to know these things, but you don't know, do you? I would have to ask the writer of your "study guide" wouldn't I?

I haven't said any of that, but yes, I enjoy learning and would like to know. I spend more than 80% of my time throughout the day reading. I take it all for what it's worth.

As for your question about the translations, were the translators of the KJV more in tune than those who translated the Geneva Bible, or wasn't there another before them, from Tyndale as an example? Do you think this was a familiar argument to those who lived then as now?

Thanks Levi, I do appreciate your time.

[Levi Jones]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I haven't said any of that, but yes, I enjoy learning and would like to know. I spend more than 80% of my time throughout the day reading. I take it all for what it's worth.

As for your question about the translations, were the translators of the KJV more in tune than those who translated the Geneva Bible, or wasn't there another before them, from Tyndale as an example? Do you think this was a familiar argument to those who lived then as now?

Thanks Levi, I do appreciate your time.

All of them use perfect for Matt. 5:48, because to do otherwise would be to purposely deny God's perfection.

Take the NIV. They use the same telios and call it mature when it suits their self hating liberal agenda.

Philippians 3:15All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.

How much better is this?

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

[Shimei]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

All of them use perfect for Matt. 5:48, because to do otherwise would be to purposely deny of God's perfection.

Take the NIV. They use the same telios and call it mature when it suits their self hating liberal agenda.

Philippians 3:15All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.

How much better is this?

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Thank you Levi, have a wonderful evening and God bless.

[Levi Jones]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

As for your question about the translations, were the translators of the KJV more in tune than those who translated the Geneva Bible, or wasn't there another before them, from Tyndale as an example? Do you think this was a familiar argument to those who lived then as now?

The Tyndale is a fine translation. It is very faithful and accurate. Too bad about what happened to him getting set on fire by the catlicks.

The Geneva is another favorite of mine. It almost reads word for word the same as the KJV, though. The big difference is the margin notes.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

So, people will be teleios if they fulfill the purpose for which they were created.

So are you saying the reprobate -- those who will never be saved -- are perfect? God created the reprobate so that he might destroy them and demonstrate His wrath.

Prov 16:4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Rom 9:20-24 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

The reprobate are vessels of wrath fitted, or made, for destruction, crafted by God, the Master Potter. Applying your logic to these passages, the wicked, then, are perfect, for by being born in sin, living in sin, dying in sin and suffering eternal torment for their sin, they are fulfilling the purpose for which God made them.

For what purpose were human beings created? The Bible leaves us in no doubt as to that. In the old creation story in the RSV translation, we find God saying: ‘Let us make man in our image after our likeness’ (Genesis 1:26).

Please don't use the Rotten Stinking Version.

Human beings were created to be like God. The characteristic of God is this universal benevolence, this unconquerable goodwill, this constant seeking of the highest good of every individual. The great characteristic of God is love to saint and to sinner alike.

God made some people for destruction and others for glory. But if you are talking about the purpose, or the longing, which God put in Adam's heart when He placed him in the Garden, I like the first question set forth in the Westminster Shorter Catechism:

Q: What is the chief end of man?
A: Man's chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy Him forever.

No matter what we do to him, God seeks nothing but our highest good.

We can't do anything to God.

It is the whole teaching of the Bible that we attain our humanity only by becoming Godlike. The one thing which makes us like God is the love which never ceases to care for others, no matter what they do to it. We fulfill our humanity; we enter upon Christian perfection, when we learn to forgive as God forgives, and to love as God loves. – Professor William Barclay

Billy Barclay was a heretic:

Barclay's personal views, expressed in his own A Spiritual Autobiography (1977) and Clive L. Rawlins' William Barclay: prophet of goodwill: the authorized biography (1998) included:

• scepticism concerning the Trinity: for example "Nowhere does the New Testament identify Jesus with God."

• belief in universal salvation: in his autobiography he wrote, "I am a convinced universalist. I believe that in the end all men will be gathered into the love of God."

• pacifism: "war is mass murder".

[Alkalai]

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Again, I'm not interested in your satanic book. What if my faith will be damaged when I read it? Then I'll be going to Hell. It would be rather stupid, therefore, to read it.

Sure looks like rational thinking to me. Wonder if God'll forgive you for this one?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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Sure looks like rational thinking to me. Wonder if God'll forgive you for this one?

What are you talking about? That's like telling someone to read child porn

Are you insane?

YIC

[Alkalai]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

What are you talking about? That's like telling someone to read child porn

Are you insane?

YIC

Someone explain how this remotely relates to my post.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Someone explain how this remotely relates to my post.

True Disciple is a True Christian(tm) who would no sooner read a Satanic text than he would look at child porn.

Can't you even see that?

YIC

[Alkalai]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

True Disciple is a True Christian™ who would no sooner read a Satanic text than he would look at child porn.

Can't you even see that?

YIC

If you read what he wrote, he used rational thinking/reasoning. No need to go batcrap crazy on me, though that probably isn't possible for you.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

If you read what he wrote, he used rational thinking/reasoning. No need to go batcrap crazy on me, though that probably isn't possible for you.

No True Christian(tm) needs to use so called rational thinking/reasoning

The Bible (KJV1611) renders this obsolete.

YIC

[FreeFromBrains]

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No True Christian™ needs to use so called rational thinking/reasoning

The Bible (KJV1611) renders this obsolete.

YIC

I can't believe that you can post that with a straight face

You are a complete idiot. You show Christianity for what it is: close minded, bigoted, obsessed with sexual behaviour and probably so far deep in the closet you can see Mr fucking Tumnus.

Merry Christmas.

[Lamya Tempest]

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I can't believe that you can post that with a straight face

You are a complete idiot. You show Christianity for what it is: close minded, bigoted, obsessed with sexual behaviour and probably so far deep in the closet you can see Mr piffleing Tumnus.

Merry Christmas.

Is that you on picture.If you are I going to have fun whit you in Hell

[FreeFromBrains]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Is that you on picture.If you are I going to have fun whit you in Hell

It's a year or two old (before I went to uni) but it's real

Nice to meet someone not batshit crazy. These guys are actual Christians. Real Christians. They actual believe in the bible.

Weird, right?

[Alkalai]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

No True Christian™ needs to use so called rational thinking/reasoning

The Bible (KJV1611) renders this obsolete.

YIC

Well he did. Denying facts like a True Christian, good for you.