[Davion]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

without mans which use Rational Thinking you couldn't use the Internet to spread your hate around!

[Davion]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

There is no contradiction. Atheists need to shut their yaps and go back in the closet along with the queers. This is a Christian nation.

Read the constitution!

First Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Read the constitution!

First Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That says that the government cannot control the churches.

It does not say the churches cannot control the government.

[charlesdarwinsucks]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Sir, may I ask what mental condition you have?

[lukasekman]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

It's not entirely true.
Rational thinking and science brings actual prove for the existence of God, and the Creation.
For instance, scientists have found out that the universe is amazingly well tuned. If the strong nuclear force was a few percent stronger, stars wouldn't exist. And if the fine structure constant were slightly different, carbon wouldn't be stable. Same goes for several other natural constants. It is simply impossible for a randomly generated universe to be suitable for life.
And even if the impossible happened, how could all these amazingly well-designed lifeforms be created? Modern biochemistry prove that the design of even so called simple lifeforms is superior to the most advanced technology.

So, rational thinking prove the Creation. It's the atheists who don't want you to make the conclusion.

[True Disciple]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

It's not entirely true.
Rational thinking and science brings actual prove for the existence of God, and the Creation.
For instance, scientists have found out that the universe is amazingly well tuned. If the strong nuclear force was a few percent stronger, stars wouldn't exist. And if the fine structure constant were slightly different, carbon wouldn't be stable. Same goes for several other natural constants. It is simply impossible for a randomly generated universe to be suitable for life.

Friend, no matter how good your intentions were, there are several things wrong with your explanation.

Firstly, rational thinking doesn't prove either God or His Creation: Faith does. Fine-tuned constants in the universe might imply that it was created in the First Place, but only True Christian(tm) Faith reveals that this creator was actually the God of the Bible.

Secondly, your views on cosmology seem to differ enormously from Biblical Cosmology. The Bible teaches that stars are just simple little lights that can be cast to the Earth:

Daniel 8:10:
And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

Matthew 24:29:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mark 13:25:
And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

Revelation 6:13:
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Revelation 12:4:
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

The calculations that supposedly prove how unlikely it is for life to from are dependent on a non-Biblical cosmology; one that supposes that stars are as big as the sun. The above Verses prove that God's Holy Bible disagrees with that notion: stars are little things which can fall to the Earth.

And even if the impossible happened, how could all these amazingly well-designed lifeforms be created? Modern biochemistry prove that the design of even so called simple lifeforms is superior to the most advanced technology.

So, rational thinking prove the Creation. It's the atheists who don't want you to make the conclusion.

Again, I strongly disagree with you here. Rational thinking led to the invention of evolutionary theory, which explains the occurence of complex structures without regarding God's Creative Actions. This is why evolution is wrong. They can blabber on if they like about "exaptation, changing functions of complex systems and evolution within systems," but we True Christians(tm) know that this is all rational nonsense, which the Bible teaches we should reject.

[Flamburgers]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Friend, no matter how good your intentions were, there are several things wrong with your explanation.

Firstly, rational thinking doesn't prove either God or His Creation: Faith does. Fine-tuned constants in the universe might imply that it was created in the First Place, but only True Christian™ Faith reveals that this creator was actually the God of the Bible.

Secondly, your views on cosmology seem to differ enormously from Biblical Cosmology. The Bible teaches that stars are just simple little lights that can be cast to the Earth:

Daniel 8:10:
And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

Matthew 24:29:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mark 13:25:
And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

Revelation 6:13:
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Revelation 12:4:
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

The calculations that supposedly prove how unlikely it is for life to from are dependent on a non-Biblical cosmology; one that supposes that stars are as big as the sun. The above Verses prove that God's Holy Bible disagrees with that notion: stars are little things which can fall to the Earth.



Again, I strongly disagree with you here. Rational thinking led to the invention of evolutionary theory, which explains the occurence of complex structures without regarding God's Creative Actions. This is why evolution is wrong. They can blabber on if they like about "exaptation, changing functions of complex systems and evolution within systems," but we True Christians™ know that this is all rational nonsense, which the Bible teaches we should reject.

wait what
Just so you know
God is powerful enough to trick us silly humans
into thinking ANYTHING
which also means he can create the largest and most complex puzzle
to dumbfound scientists any way he chooses
so if he found a way to trick people into thinking one thing so they could be content.
Why not be happy with all ultimatums because GOD created this world
and knows more about it then every single version of the bible ever
do you doubt him?
then why does anyone bring up arguments about gods will when
GOD DOESENT HATE RATIONAL THINKING its why we are still alive
he loves our ingenuity and creativity (for thos who WILL bring up satan and the apple and how god hates us Burn where nonbeleivers burn)
that is all

[Meek and Humble]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

GOD DOESENT HATE RATIONAL THINKING its why we are still alive
he loves our ingenuity and creativity

Scripture or it didn't happen.

[MonkeyMan]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

"Here the Bible describes the beginning of all evil things, and as we see, it all began with men acquiring knowledge, and thinking rationally instead of blindly obeying God, as opposed to what God commands numerous times in the Bible"

If people didnt have knowledge then you wouldnt be posting this but instead living in a cave with rotting teeth and an invisible giant man in the cloud which, is not going to remedy

[Cursed]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

"Here the Bible describes the beginning of all evil things, and as we see, it all began with men acquiring knowledge, and thinking rationally instead of blindly obeying God, as opposed to what God commands numerous times in the Bible"

If people didnt have knowledge then you wouldnt be posting this but instead living in a cave with rotting teeth and an invisible giant man in the cloud which, is not going to remedy

Hello, and welcome to God's Favorite Forum!

Please introduce yourself here, in the aptly named "Introduction Forum."

Let us know what church you attend, how you came to serve our Lord and Master Jesus Christ, and your favorite 1611 King James Bible verse.

You know, let us know the important stuff, the stuff that makes you human! I think there's something special about you. Remember to be polite, act as if you were at grandma's house, not at a crack house!

[True Disciple]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Why not be happy with all ultimatums because GOD created this world
and knows more about it then every single version of the bible ever

Friend, God knows infinitely more than what He wrote down in the Bible, but that does not mean that what He wrote down in the Bible therefore somehow isn't True anymore. And God wrote in the Bible that He hates it when people think for themselves. What's your point?

do you doubt him?

Definitely not. Only by thinking rationally can people start to doubt God.

then why does anyone bring up arguments about gods will when

Umm...I did, friend. Actually I have quoted Scripture from all over the Bible to strengthen my point. Are you slow?

GOD DOESENT HATE RATIONAL THINKING its why we are still alive
he loves our ingenuity and creativity (for thos who WILL bring up satan and the apple and how god hates us Burn where nonbeleivers burn)
that is all

Friend, what you are saying is opposite to what is written in the Bible. Therefore, you are wrong. Do you really think we would believe the words of a God-mocking atheist over the Words of the Almighty Himself?

"Here the Bible describes the beginning of all evil things, and as we see, it all began with men acquiring knowledge, and thinking rationally instead of blindly obeying God, as opposed to what God commands numerous times in the Bible"

If people didnt have knowledge then you wouldnt be posting this but instead living in a cave with rotting teeth and an invisible giant man in the cloud which, is not going to remedy

Of course God would remedy my teeth, if I asked Him to:

Matthew 7:7-8:
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Matthew 17:20:
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

John 15:7:
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

[LondonCalling]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

"Here the Bible describes the beginning of all evil things, and as we see, it all began with men acquiring knowledge, and thinking rationally instead of blindly obeying God, as opposed to what God commands numerous times in the Bible"

If people didnt have knowledge then you wouldnt be posting this but instead living in a cave with rotting teeth and an invisible giant man in the cloud which, is not going to remedy

If we didn't have knowledge then how could you, those of you who call yourselves Chritian, have come to write your religious texts, all of the scriptures you quote? Surely the knowledge and basic skills that have enabled Man and Woman to produce, papyrus/paper/parchment, ink and writing impliments show that knowledge is in part a positive thing. There is of course an argument to be had that too much knowledge is bad for certain members of society.

Without some aspects of knowledge we would indeed still be early humans incapable of advancement and enlightenment, whatever you personally feel that enlightenment is.

[True Disciple]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

If we didn't have knowledge then how could you, those of you who call yourselves Chritian, have come to write your religious texts, all of the scriptures you quote?

By divine revelation, of course:

2 Peter 1:20-21:
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Timothy 3:15-17:
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

All Scripture is ultimately written by God, the writers just wrote down what God told them. There is not a single part in the Bible that is the product of rational thinking.

Surely the knowledge and basic skills that have enabled Man and Woman to produce, papyrus/paper/parchment, ink and writing impliments show that knowledge is in part a positive thing.

I don't think that qualifies either as knowledge or rational thinking. Anyway, what proof do you have that these things were invented by rationalists and not given to Man by God?

Without some aspects of knowledge we would indeed still be early humans incapable of advancement and enlightenment, whatever you personally feel that enlightenment is.

The Bible doesn't say anywhere that "advancement" is a good thing. After all, God never changes:

Malachi 3:6:
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Hebrews 13:8:
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

So, neither should we try to change. It can only remove us further from God (and actually, people who follow science often lose their Faith, which proves that advancement leads people away from God).
Additionally, the Bible teaches that there is nothing new under the sun. All technologies we have today, therefore, must have been known at some point in the past, perhaps by the antediluvian civilizations:

Ecclesiastes 1:9:
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

[LondonCalling]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Sorry, I mis-spelt Christian in that last post. Hope it didn't cause any offence, wasn't intentional.

[LondonCalling]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

[QUOTE=True Disciple;722993]By divine revelation, of course:
So, neither should we try to change. It can only remove us further from God (and actually, people who follow science often lose their Faith, which proves that advancement leads people away from God).

If people should not change, then how will people create the sin-free society that the christian faith strives towards? Not being a Christian in the same light as you regard yourselves in I find it difficult to rely on a fideistic style of faith. But surely we must change to achieve the world that we, and indeed God wants.

I'm interested by your knowledge of scripture, you must have to work pretty hard ontop of whatever you do as a day job to maintain that level of in-depth knowledge. It's impressive.