Deuteronomy 22:13-21

[waywardJim]

Please forgive me if this has been asked before but is it true that if a man finds that his bride is not a virgin then she should be stoned to death? http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...21&version=KJV

If this is true then why is it not done regularly in America?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Deuteronomy 22:13-21

If this is true then why is it not done regularly in America?

Because of 1st Peter 2:13-17 and Romans 13:1-7.

[waywardJim]

Re: Deuteronomy 22:13-21

So the KJV says to follow the laws because they are the laws of the government and that the governments authority is ordained by God?
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Romans 13:1-7 (King James Version)

Romans 13

1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

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1 Peter 2:13-17 (King James Version)

13Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

14Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

17Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

[Brother V]

Re: Deuteronomy 22:13-21

Please forgive me if this has been asked before but is it true that if a man finds that his bride is not a virgin then she should be stoned to death? http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...21&version=KJV

If this is true then why is it not done regularly in America?

Stoning would only be done if the contract was breached. If the husband, paid the father for a virgin, then he would have occasion to pursue the stoning.

If the husband was unhappy with the woman being not a virgin (and he contracted a virgin) then he could pursue the stoning.

If he didn't specify that she was to be a virgin, he has no case.

If he rather enjoyed her abilities in the bed, then he has no case.

YIC
V

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Deuteronomy 22:13-21

Veritably, Brother V, you are touched by Solomon himself.

[waywardJim]

Re: Deuteronomy 22:13-21

Thanks all, I really appreciate that clarification.

[Jedediah]

Re: Deuteronomy 22:13-21

So the KJV says to follow the laws because they are the laws of the government and that the governments authority is ordained by God?

God commands us to obey secular laws. This is why it is so important that we elect True Christians™ like Mike Huckabee, so that secular law and Biblical Law will be brought more in line with one another.

But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the Word of the Living God. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view.

I also encourage you to research the wisdom of such luminaries as Rousas John Rushdoony and Gary North.

[waywardJim]

Re: Deuteronomy 22:13-21

Well along with Mike Huckabee these fellows fail to realize the importance of a separation of church and state. I am personally fine with an individual having a personal religion as long as it does not infringe on the rights of other. I love this country because it was founded on secular principals. Did you know that the word "God" does not appear within the text of the Constitution of the United States? The document mentions religion only to guarantee that religious belief would never be used as a qualification for holding office. The United States Constitution was written and ratified by elected officials who were deeply concerned about entanglements between religion and government. When it was proposed that our founding fathers begin each day of their labors with a prayer to God for guidance, the suggestion was defeated. Our founding fathers solidified a separation of church-state making this separation a high priority when they added the Bill of Rights preventing Congress from making any law respecting an establishment of religion. The Pledge of Allegiance written in 1892 and then in 1954 suffered the addition of the phrase "under God" during the communism scare which eventually resulted in the Supreme court ruling that the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional. In 1864 the phrase "In God We Trust" was added to currency -another slap in the face disregarding all that our country stood for and stands for. Our forefathers had seen the effects of a religious state. They did everything they could to prevent the influence of religion on our government and rightfully so!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Deuteronomy 22:13-21

I am personally fine with an individual having a personal religion as long as it does not infringe on the rights of other.

Hold it right there, tree-hugger: You may be fine with blasphemy and the worshiping of false gods, but Jesus is not.

2 Chronicles 15:13
Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

[Jedediah]

Re: Deuteronomy 22:13-21

Well along with Mike Huckabee these fellows fail to realize the importance of a separation of church and state. I am personally fine with an individual having a personal religion as long as it does not infringe on the rights of other. I love this country because it was founded on secular principals. Did you know that the word "God" does not appear within the text of the Constitution of the United States? The document mentions religion only to guarantee that religious belief would never be used as a qualification for holding office. The United States Constitution was written and ratified by elected officials who were deeply concerned about entanglements between religion and government. When it was proposed that our founding fathers begin each day of their labors with a prayer to God for guidance, the suggestion was defeated. Our founding fathers solidified a separation of church-state making this separation a high priority when they added the Bill of Rights preventing Congress from making any law respecting an establishment of religion. The Pledge of Allegiance written in 1892 and then in 1954 suffered the addition of the phrase "under God" during the communism scare which eventually resulted in the Supreme court ruling that the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional. In 1864 the phrase "In God We Trust" was added to currency -another slap in the face disregarding all that our country stood for and stands for. Our forefathers had seen the effects of a religious state. They did everything they could to prevent the influence of religion on our government and rightfully so!

The so-called "separation of Church and state" is a secular myth designed to undermine this nation's Biblical Roots. I challenge you to find those words in the Constitution. You can't, because the Constitution does not mention "separation of Church and state!" The Constitution makes mention of religion in order to protect Christianity from atheo-fascists like you. Otherwise, God saw no need to inspire the authors of the Constitution to mention religion, as His Country operates on Free Market Principles.

When secular law is brought in line with Biblical Law, it will be institutions such as ours and other True Christian(tm) churches who take over many functions that the government now handles. We have seen this starting to take shape during the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, where Erik Prince's private Christian Army fulfilled many of the roles that had previously been left to the secular state armed forces. We also see this taking form with the privatization of the prison industry, which is allowing the Godly among us to operate prisons run only by Christians.

Because God directed our Evangelical Founders to embrace the Free Market System, privatization of government functions provides a back door for True Christians(tm) to take over state functions, such as policing and the judiciary. So you see, there was no need for God to explicitly have Christianity mentioned in the Constitution. His Plan is unfolding just as He intended. We just need elect more Godly Republicans who will amend our Constitution (e.g., to protect the sanctity of marriage), enact Biblical Law through the legislative branch, and reduce the size of government so that private Christian organizations such as Landover Baptist can take over the courts and all aspects of local governance.

As a side note, I noticed that your are not happy with the additions of "In God We Trust" to our currency and "One Nation Under God" to our Pledge of Allegiance. Then I suppose it follows that you are against the abolition of negro slavery, since that is not how the nation started out. You, sir, are a racist.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Deuteronomy 22:13-21

I am personally fine with an individual having a personal religion as long as it does not infringe on the rights of other.

Dear friend:

That sounds suspiciously like lie-bertarianism, a political philosophy beloved of Randroids, LaVeyan Satanists, and many other atheists, but quite alien to Scripture.