[Basilissa]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

I am a "masturbator" as you call it, but I believe God forgives me. I recognize it as a sin and I do my best not to commit it but from time to time I still do it.

My understanding is that we are under a New Covenant, a New Testament, a new and better Covenant so that we can now receive forgiveness of sins and I do not believe masturbation qualifies as a capitol offense.

So, your understanding of Christianity is that it is OK to steal, covet your neighbor's wife or ass, maybe even torture a little or kill someone, as long as you occasionally repent for your sins?

Does your Bible lack the page that has John 8:11 on it?

[biatch77]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

I have 305 infractions and have no idea what I did wrong other than honestly post my feelings and confess my private and very secret sins.


Basilissa,

I just can't believe that God would send a single guy who can't have sex and who has never had sex to hell for occasional masturbation.

So, your understanding of Christianity is that it is OK to steal, covet your neighbor's wife or ass, maybe even torture a little or kill someone, as long as you occasionally repent for your sins?

Does your Bible lack the page that has John 8:11 on it?

[biatch77]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

Would some one please be so kind as to tell me what these infraction points mean?


I now have 330 infractions against me. I am not even sure what I have done, the whole thing seems rather arbitrary.



I can only assume that I will never be allowed to instant message anybody and never be able to earn my way out of this dog house.


Please give me a heads up somebody, please.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

Would some one please be so kind as to tell me what these infraction points mean?

I now have 330 infractions against me. I am not even sure what I have done, the whole thing seems rather arbitrary.

I can only assume that I will never be allowed to instant message anybody and never be able to earn my way out of this dog house.

Please give me a heads up somebody, please.

Looks to me like someone is finding out one of the many problems with touching a mans ding-dong can be. Next, he will complain about the hair on his hands, the poor vision and inability to urinate. Let alone being cast into the pits of Hell.

[biatch77]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

So it sounds like to me that these many infractions are for masturbating, or at least confessing to the secret sin of masturbation.




I shall keep my secret sins to myself, thank you very much.


Yet no one has told me what these infractions mean, if there is some other penalty involved or what the limit is or what happens to me if I reach a certain number of infractions.

Looks to me like someone is finding out one of the many problems with touching a mans ding-dong can be. Next, he will complain about the hair on his hands, the poor vision and inability to urinate. Let alone being cast into the pits of Hell.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

So it sounds like to me that these many infractions are for masturbating, or at least confessing to the secret sin of masturbation.

I shall keep my secret sins to myself, thank you very much.

Not a secret. Ever.



God knows, He watches you spray your Man Seed(c) all over the place and most likely gets in His Golden Hair and on His Sandals as well. No doubt it mixes with His tears.

[Basilissa]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

Basilissa,

I just can't believe that God would send a single guy who can't have sex and who has never had sex to hell for occasional masturbation.

You don't believe what the Bible says?

I will pray for your soul. Also, please note that God hates liars, too. First you said you were a chronic masturbator, now you're down to an occasional one?! You lied either previously or now.

[biatch77]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

Basilissa,


You caught me, okay I admit it.



I am a chronic masturbator and a chronic liar.


I can't stop, I can't help myself.



So I guess I deserve being branded and humiliated by this forum.

You don't believe what the Bible says?

I will pray for your soul. Also, please note that God hates liars, too. First you said you were a chronic masturbator, now you're down to an occasional one?! You lied either previously or now.

[biatch77]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

I don't know how on earth anyone could possible believe this "Death penalty for masturbation?


I was not aware masturbation was a crime?


I can't believe that you are serious about all this.


Illogical logic:


"The facts couldn't be any more clear. We all know that masturbation, in addition to being a homosexual act, is an act of adultery and the Bible is clear on what the punishment for adultery should be. The punishment for masturbation should be death."


Masturbation may well be sinful, but it is in no way a "homosexual act" as you call it.


And then you seem to call for political action:


"Friends, join with me in writing to your government representatives both state and federal and DEMAND that they FIX THE LAW so that masturbators are put on death row beside the murderers they are so clearly equal to!"


This sounds more like Sharia Law than anything having to do with Christianity.

Friends, the Bible is a perfect book. Anything not specifically mentioned in it can be worked out using simple common sense and logic.

For example, masturbation. God was displeased enough with Onan for spilling his seed that He slaughtered him (Genesis 38:9-10), but otherwise there are no explicit instructions for what to do with a masturbator, but there are implicit instructions.

It's simplest and most straightforward fact is that touching oneself for pleasure is a homosexual act, so it would seem that Leviticus 20:13 would cover that, but what does the scripture say?

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

It's clear here that the Lord is talking about an act of sodomy with another man, not an act of self-sodomy.

But when someone is defiling himself through a lonely act of self-pleasure, he isn't thinking of baseball or cars. He is thinking of someone who is getting him aroused! JESUS HIMSELF said "Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28)
The LORD knows that such looks lead to sick pleasures, because immediately after he said, "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell." (Matthew 5:29-30)

Cast into HELL! And He would have the courts of the land send you there quickly...

Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Both the man and the woman he has adulterous thoughts about shall surely be put to death (legally through a court of law)!

The facts couldn't be any more clear. We all know that masturbation, in addition to being a homosexual act, is an act of adultery and the Bible is clear on what the punishment for adultery should be. The punishment for masturbation should be death.

Case closed.

Friends, join with me in writing to your government representatives both state and federal and DEMAND that they FIX THE LAW so that masturbators are put on death row beside the murderers they are so clearly equal to!

Thank you and God bless.

[biatch77]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

I personally do not believe in or accept the death penalty, but I do believe in hell. Perhaps there is something to this.


St. Maria Faustyna Kowalska, most commonly known as St. Faustina, was a polish nun who experienced a series of visions which included Jesus, the Eucharist, angels, and various saints. It is from her visions that the Church received the now-popular devotion the Divine Mercy Chaplet. In one entry from late October of 1936, she tells of a vision she saw of hell:

“Today I was led by an Angel to the chasms of hell. It is a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is! The kinds of tortures I saw: the first torture that constitutes hell is the loss of God; the second is perpetual remorse of conscience; the third is that one’s condition will never change; the fourth is the fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it – a terrible suffering, since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger; the fifth torture is continual darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and, despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own; the sixth torture is the constant company of Satan; the seventh torture is horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies.

“These are the tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of their sufferings. There are special tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned. There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me. Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin. I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there, and so no one can say what it is like.
“I, Sister Faustina, by the order of God, have visited the abysses of hell so that I might tell souls about it and testify to its existence. I cannot speak about it now; but I have received a command from God to leave it in writing. The devils were full of hatred for me, but they had to obey me at the command of God. What I have written is but a pale shadow of the things I saw. But I noticed one thing: that most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell. When I came to, I could hardly recover from the fright. How terribly souls suffer there! Consequently, I pray even more fervently for the conversion of sinners. I incessantly plead God’s mercy upon them. O my Jesus, I would rather be in agony until the end of the world, amidst the greatest sufferings, than offend You by the least sin.” (Diary of St. Faustina, 741)

[Didymus Much]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

I personally do not believe in or accept the death penalty, but I do believe in hell. Perhaps there is something to this...

Perhaps there is, and you are more than welcome to present any evidence (from the KJV) that supports your case.


Ravings from some Catholic mystic, OTOH, just :naaah:.

[biatch77]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

Seems like there is but I will have to study the subject.


However she is highly respected and revered by the historic Church.


Listen cautiously to what our Sister says


“Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned.



There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another.”

Finally, she adds one important distinction:



“But I noticed one thing: that most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell. When I came to, I could hardly recover from the fright. How terribly souls suffer there!”


Thanks to this Baptist Forum and my many new found friends and their concerns for me, I now firmly believe in eternal hell.



Hell is a place of never ending torment and endless torture throughout the ages to come, forever and ever . . .



Eternal hell is where terrible and indescribable sufferings or inflicted on sinners and the tortures are related to the manner in which it has sinned.



There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another and specific suffering of the senses or sensual organs may occur, agonizing and painfully . . .

Perhaps there is, and you are more than welcome to present any evidence (from the KJV) that supports your case.


Ravings from some Catholic mystic, OTOH, just :naaah:.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

...However she is highly respected and revered by the historic Church...

Which ISN'T highly respected and revered around here. Look up. Look waaaay up. Look at the banner. Landover Baptist Church. Not Catholic. Never has been, never will.


So take your fairy tales and stick them back where the Son doesn't shine.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

Seems like there is but I will have to study the subject.


However she is highly respected and revered by the historic Church.

Like the child sitting in math class who gets the answer right but does the equation wrong, you've come to the right conclusion about Hell but have gone about it the wrong way. I was a Catholic for many, many years, and in those years I put my heart and soul into the faith. What I later found out was the faith wasn't in Christ, it was in the profiteering and glorification of the Vatican. Women like this, it's a poorly kept secret in Catholic circles, suffer from PMS and extreme ugliness, and if they are lucky can find work in the nunneries as a loonymystic.

You see dear, they start spewing "visions" which are in reality hallucinations from drunken escapades, which get more and more creative when they get a taste for, and become whores for attention. This woman's ramblings are only tolerated by the Catholics because they don't conflict with what they say and don't bring attention to the pagan rituals or priestly abuse upon children. Anything that brings more gold coins into the Vatican coffers will be hailed as "divinely inspired" by that Child Molestation and Mob Organization, despite how down to earth and humble the latest CEO appears. It is, after all, good for business.

[biatch77]

Re: Death penalty for masturbation? The FACTS say YES!

I am not doubting or debating anything that you say here as you speak from experience.


As a homosexual who masturbates in public I am no expert in such matters.


But I thought you would have appreciated a few fine points of her presentation.







St. Faustina, saw hell as a place of great torture;



She goes on: The kinds of tortures I saw: the first torture that constitutes hell is the loss of God; the second is perpetual remorse of conscience; the third is that one’s condition will never change; the fourth is the fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it – a terrible suffering


the fifth torture is continual darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and, despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own; the sixth torture is the constant company of Satan; the seventh torture is horrible despair

“These are the tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of their sufferings. There are special tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. I assume she means sensual or by senses something that can be felt, experienced as real torture . . .



Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned. There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me.


This goes along with some of your own fine points earlier mentioned:

Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin.

I take that to mean the sensual appetites and sensual experiences that were used in sin, will be the same senses tortured throughout all eternity?

Like the child sitting in math class who gets the answer right but does the equation wrong, you've come to the right conclusion about Hell but have gone about it the wrong way. I was a Catholic for many, many years, and in those years I put my heart and soul into the faith. What I later found out was the faith wasn't in Christ, it was in the profiteering and glorification of the Vatican. Women like this, it's a poorly kept secret in Catholic circles, suffer from PMS and extreme ugliness, and if they are lucky can find work in the nunneries as a loonymystic.

You see dear, they start spewing "visions" which are in reality hallucinations from drunken escapades, which get more and more creative when they get a taste for, and become whores for attention. This woman's ramblings are only tolerated by the Catholics because they don't conflict with what they say and don't bring attention to the pagan rituals or priestly abuse upon children. Anything that brings more gold coins into the Vatican coffers will be hailed as "divinely inspired" by that Child Molestation and Mob Organization, despite how down to earth and humble the latest CEO appears. It is, after all, good for business.