[MitzaLizalor]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

Actually, he is making a big claim that…God had sex with Mary to substantiate his claim , he gave the reference of the relevant greek word lada and swan. So he must have read it somewhere? I just can't take to this word, until he has a proof. The word is also used in acts chap 1:17-19 in which the ghost came upon the desciples, the same greek word G1909 is used here epichromai. From which greek book he learned about it, so that i can confirm it. I know what he is saying but i just want to make sure that he is correct. By the way, libraries contain all sorts of text! we are in America not Afghanistan.

The redemptive qualities associated with God's son depend on His lineage:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

cf Ruth 3:9

Jesus was not created. In order for Mary to become pregnant something OTHER THAN a new creation was necessary. We are the new creation, not Jesus.

II Corinthians 5:17-21
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

That could not happen in accordance with God's Law (the Mosaic law) unless there was a sound genealogy. Read Matthew. Read Hebrews.

PSALM 17:8
LUKE 1:35

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

Actually, he is making a big claim that God had sex with Mary to substantiate his claim , he gave the reference of the relevant greek word lada and swan. So he must have read it somewhere? I just can't take to this word, until he has a proof.

He didn't say God had sex with Mary - he said God came upon Mary. No were does it suggest that the Creator of the Universe had a tumble with one of His creations.

The word is also used in acts chap 1:17-19 in which the ghost came upon the desciples, the same greek word G1909 is used here epichromai. From which greek book he learned about it, so that i can confirm it. I know what he is saying but i just want to make sure that he is correct. By the way, libraries contain all sorts of text! we are in America not Afghanistan.

Granted, but they don't have cheesy little porn stories about imaginary people having sex with animals and having unkillable superhuman children.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

.. .. in acts chap 1:17-19 in which the ghost came upon the desciples,

ACTS 1
17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

the same greek word G1909 is used here epichromai.

It is not. Perhaps you are thinking of this passage?

ACTS 2
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

It's not used there either:

verse 2


verse 4
.

(..and it's not the same word).

The words used here for

a) [mighty rushing] wind
b) [Holy] Ghost
c) [the] Spirit

do all have the same root, from which we get our word pneumatic.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

I've never really thought of Jesus in that way before now!!

Who would have been watching HIM go poopie?
I assume as he is free from sin, he doesn't need watching?

I've seen a lot of discussion on this very topic over the years. Was Jesus half-man and half God, or was he some kind of hybrid? Did Jesus imbibe a little of that wine He made at the Cana wedding, and what did Jesus do with His anus? Well, it wasn't really reported in the Bible (KJV1611) was it – and that's just the point; Jesus was all Savior PERIOD.

[Annalita Thrax]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

I'm just as shocked as you are by this statement. I couldn't believe it.

My search for this information started with a statement some angry atheist made on facebook.

It snowballed into something where I naturally assumed the daft atheist was reading the bible incorrectly. We as Christians know that the Holy Ghost just tapped Mary on the shoulder and she was pregnant after that, right?

I'm afraid not. You'll have to follow me here for a bit and understand how I came to this crazy, yet true conclusion.

My opening statement was that,

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together*, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

* came together. synerchomai συνέρχομαι

is completely different from

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee**, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

**eperchomai ἐπέρχομαι

They are completely different words, but wait.

The wording in Matthew of coming together. Root 1 σύν/syn accompanying coming with or more literally with Root 2 chomai/ἔρχομαι coming. (coming with consensual)

Vs. the way Luke 1 is written. Root one ἐπί/ epi
upon, on, at, by, before
2) of position, on, at, by, over, against
3) to, over, on, at, across, against
Thayer's lexicon adds the term a heavy breathing, but also says it is used primarily as upon.
Both of these words have the same root. ἔρχομαι which is to come.

Now, this is not big news in and of itself. It's all quite explainable up to this point. The same word is used as if the Holy Spirit has come upon you as a feeling or possessed you. The Bible Greek supports this position.

What the Bible hasn't said is that, the Holy Ghost literally comes over you. The same verb eperchomai ἐπέρχομαι, is used in the story of the Swan and Leda.



What do these stories have to do with one another? Nothing at all! One is myth and the other is true.

The thing is that they use the same verb (to come upon[ a variation of eperchomai) for the copulation of Leda and Zeus and Mary and the Holy Ghost.

The sad fact is, I have come to realize is that there is a literal copulation between God and Mary.

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news on this one. I really am.

Pastor Jones, Your analysis leaves me speechless. So thorough, so solid. Your easy brilliance and pure Godliness have moved me. On my knees before you and God, I ask you to Bless me in His name, and pray for the lives of my father and my former betrothed and the soul of my dutiful mother.

Bless you,
Annalita

~

[Learner99]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

ACTS 1
17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

It is not. Perhaps you are thinking of this passage?

ACTS 2
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

It's not used there either:

verse 2


verse 4
.

(..and it's not the same word).

The words used here for

a) [mighty rushing] wind
b) [Holy] Ghost
c) [the] Spirit

do all have the same root, from which we get our word pneumatic.

yeah ! but Sheikh deedat of the muslim also alleged that this verse have sexual tones. Replying to this, Sam Shoun said, "In Luke's Gospel one often reads of their Holy Spirit coming upon people and in every case the expression implies an anointing of his holy influence. Simeon was a man "righteous and devout" and the "Holy Spirit was upon him" (Luke 2:25) and when Jesus was baptised and was praying, the "Holy Spirit descended upon him" (Luke 3:22). Likewise we read that when the glory of God appeared above Jesus when he was transfigured, "a cloud came and overshadowed them" (Luke 9:34). How can anyone say, when similar expressions are used of the conception of Jesus (i.e. that the Holy Spirit "came upon" Mary and that the power of God "overshadowed" her), that this is "distasteful - gutter language"?"

Note: As you know muslim don't believe God have son, so this something blaspheming for them.

So sister , what's your reply to sam shoun who still holds that there is no sexual union?

[Deaner]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

Likewise we read that when the glory of God appeared above Jesus when he was transfigured, "a cloud came and overshadowed them" (Luke 9:34). How can anyone say, when similar expressions are used of the conception of Jesus (i.e. that the Holy Spirit "came upon" Mary and that the power of God "overshadowed" her), that this is "distasteful - gutter language"?"

I'll tell you why; you sound like you're describing two queers having sex in a bathroom stall and trying to justify it Biblically. Go put your panties on and pray to your father satan.

[O'Lemon]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

Pics, or it didn't happen.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

Pics, or it didn't happen.

If God wanted us to have pictures, there would have been pictures in the Bible...

[Evil DrPorkchop]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

So does that mean that God has a *foul language deleted*?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

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I don't suppose anyone wants to read that again, but I would mention that in the case of Mary a child resulted.

[monkelinx]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

I am glad to hear about this. This to me means that a woman is a vessel for offspring. Even in the eyes of our Lord, he used his creations as they were intended. And yet unbelievers ramble about complexity. Praise God for his infallible logic.

The other thing is that this is indeed a next step in our crusade against Mary-worshipping phonies. There is nothing special or holy about Mary.

[Levi Jones]

Re: God literally impregnated Mary with sex.

I am glad to hear about this. This to me means that a woman is a vessel for offspring. Even in the eyes of our Lord, he used his creations as they were intended. And yet unbelievers ramble about complexity. Praise God for his infallible logic.

The other thing is that this is indeed a next step in our crusade against Mary-worshipping phonies. There is nothing special or holy about Mary.

Amen, friend. So true.