[JennyD]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

What I had meant was that the bible was written by man, correct? So how is adding things to it a sin?

The Bible is God's Word. It's what He wants us to read, pure and simple. It says so.

If this wasn't true and He wanted it to say something different, it would. He created the entire universe, so He could very easily change the words in a few billion Bibles. Has He? No. Therefore, it's what He wants us to read.

Adding to it or deleting from what God has given to us is a sin.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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What I had meant was that the bible was written by man, correct? So how is adding things to it a sin?

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

How's that for a reason?

[A Mad Dog]

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This is an interesting thread and I would like to post some things here in the next few days when I get the chance.

[A Mad Dog]

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jennyD wrote,

The Bible is God's Word.

No Catholic would dispute that.

It's what He wants us to read, pure and simple. It says so.

But it does not say that it is the only source of authority.

If this wasn't true and He wanted it to say something different, it would.

It does say that it is not the only authority.

Adding to it or deleting from what God has given to us is a sin.

Then why do Evangelicals/Fundamentalist/Protestants delete 7 books and parts of 2 others?

[Jed_Cassidy]

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Then why do Evangelicals/Fundamentalist/Protestants delete 7 books and parts of 2 others?

Oh they'll go to Hell for it--they just don't know it yet.

[A Mad Dog]

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Oh they'll go to Hell for it--they just don't know it yet.

You said it...not me.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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But it does not say that it is the only source of authority.

You can think of another?

Then why do Evangelicals/Fundamentalist/Protestants delete 7 books and parts of 2 others?

Nothing has been added to or taken away from KJV1611

Re:22:18: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Re:22:19: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

You know full well that no reliance is to be placed upon the Apocrypha. If it is in KJV1611, it is merely a repeat, if it is not in KJV1611 it is unreliable. Not only that, it speaks of Salome doing unspeakable things that caused her hand to wither plus many other ridiculous fairy stories.

I note the Catlix make a big thing of the Apocrypha, and that alone should be enough to convince any sane person that it is rubbish.

[A Mad Dog]

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Ezekiel bathfire wrote,

You can think of another?

Sacred Tradition- 2 Thess. 2:14-16

The Church- Matt. 18:17-18

If it is in KJV1611, it is merely a repeat

Could you elaborate please?

God Bless

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Sacred Tradition- 2 Thess. 2:14-16

2Th:2:14: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th:2:15: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2Th:2:16: Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

See that Rome boy? “whether by word, or our epistle.” Words = Words of God through Christ; epistle = what he is writing now.

This does not include fishhead hats, piffling choirboys, deathcookies and maryworship to name but a few.

The Church- Matt. 18:17-18

M't:18:17: And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

The church should be preaching KJV1611. If it’s not doing that but rather pretending to do black magic by turning wine into blood, then it is not a church. (Which Rome is not, it is a business conglomerate backed by Satan.)

Could you elaborate please?

Yes. If it is in KJV1611 it need not be in the Apocrypha, if it is in the Apocrypha and NOT in KJV1611 it is unreliable and should not be treated as Scripture.

[Meek and Humble]

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No Catholic would dispute that.

No, but they don't practice what they preach. Catholics are a bunch of hypocrites, modern day Pharisees.

But it does not say that it is the only source of authority.

Isaiah 8:20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Acts 17: 11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

2 Timothy 3: 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Proverbs 30: 6Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.


1 Corinthians 4: 6And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Revelation 22: 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

It does say that it is not the only authority.

Mark 7: 13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Acts 17: 2And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Isaiah 8: 16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Romans 16:25Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:


2 Timothy 3:16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


Deuteronomy 2Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Then why do Evangelicals/Fundamentalist/Protestants delete 7 books and parts of 2 others?

Considering you've obviously never touched a Bible, you might not know that lying is a sin. Well it is, so stop it. Protestants did not delete anything from the Bible. It was you dirty stinking Catholics who added onto it centuries after the fact.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/apocryph.htm

http://www.bible.ca/catholic-apocrypha.htm

[Brother Jessup]

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Well, there ain’t no secret about what good old Brother Jessup thinks about them blasphemous, heathen Catholics and their fearless leader in the Vatican:



Wake up people! The Protestant Reformation happened almost 500 years ago! Get with the program! Your beloved beanie wear’n Pope is obsolete; he’s nothing but an old man in a dress and funny hat who’s been given a cushy job because he’s too darn old to molest little boys.


The Honorable Brother Jessup T. Lloyd has spoken……..…Amen!

[A Mad Dog]

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Ezekiel Bathfire wrote,

See that Rome boy? “whether by word, or our epistle.” Words = Words of God through Christ; epistle = what he is writing now.

1. "whether by word, or our epistle." = Tradition and Scripture.

2. What are to make of the beginning of verse 15 where it says to "stand fast and hold the traditions"? Was the Apostle Paul wrong in making such a statement?

The church should be preaching KJV1611. If it’s not doing that but rather pretending to do black magic by turning wine into blood, then it is not a church. (Which Rome is not, it is a business conglomerate backed by Satan.)

I could say several things regarding this statement but it looks like you have entirely missed the point. The Scriptures testify to the fact that the church is the final authority. We saw this when the Blessed Lord spoke those holy words in Matt. 18:17. Let me ask you this, if the Scriptures are the final authority then why did not the Lord say so in this verse? The truth of the matter is that he did not. He made the Church the final authority in disputes.

[A Mad Dog]

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No, but they don't practice what they preach. Catholics are a bunch of hypocrites, modern day Pharisees.




Isaiah 8:20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Acts 17: 11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

2 Timothy 3: 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Proverbs 30: 6Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.


1 Corinthians 4: 6And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Revelation 22: 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.




Mark 7: 13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Acts 17: 2And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Isaiah 8: 16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Romans 16:25Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:


2 Timothy 3:16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


Deuteronomy 2Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.




Considering you've obviously never touched a Bible, you might not know that lying is a sin. Well it is, so stop it. Protestants did not delete anything from the Bible. It was you dirty stinking Catholics who added onto it centuries after the fact.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/apocryph.htm

http://www.bible.ca/catholic-apocrypha.htm

But you will notice that these verses do not say "only" Scripture.

[Meek and Humble]

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http://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-defended.htm

http://biblelight.net/sola1.htm

As for the church being the final authority. Well, first of that's not what Jesus is saying in that verse. Second, let me ask you something. Why is it that since Vatican II, you are now allowed to eat meat on Fridays but before it was considered a mortal sin? Was the church wrong before? Is the church wrong now? Is the Laws of God as expressed through the church changeable with the times? If the Pope declared that divorce and abortion and adultery were okay, would God be "Bound" to "bind in heaven" what was "bound" on earth?

Why has it taken so long for all the practices of the modern church to come into place if Jesus' founded Catholicism? Or did the 12 Apostles dress up in fancy robes and say the exact same thing for one hour every Sunday in a building full of statues and paintings while the people got a good aerobics work out of sitting, standing, and kneeling before a piece of bread, all in Latin (oh right, why is it that you don't have to say it in Latin anymore???)

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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If the pope of Rome has so much faith in God, why does he run around in a bulletproof outhouse like that ridiculous "popemobile?" You don't see me or the other True Christian(tm) Pastors doing that!

Of course, we pack heat...