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Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians
Where in what I wrote did you find that I said you were Catholic, I did not.
They have no faith in Jesus. Anyone with faith in Jesus would not do this: 
[quote]Once again I am not defending the Catholic church. That statement applies for all religions, including yours my friend.[/img]
I resent that. I do not have a religion. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ! We are quite close.
Believe has an "e" in it somewhere, I won't do all the work, I'll let you know. I labor almost every day trying to win souls for Christ. Those are my works. You works are persecuting and hating on followers of Jesus. I hope you are ready to explain yourself on Judgment Day.
That's like asking if I would like it to rain donuts instead of water, it's nt going to happen. And yes, I take great joy in all of God's judgments. I'm sorry if you think you know better than God.
"Saddly" should only have no "d". You see when you post and the little red line appears under it? That means you spelled the word incorrectly. If you right-click on the word, it will show a list of suggested correct spelling. But anyway, you are wrong. We are supposed to endorse one Gospel message, the true one, to the exclusion of all others.
Romans 16:17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Galatians 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
2 Thessalonians 3:6Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
2 Thessalonians 3:14And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2 Timothy 2:16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17nd their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
1 Timothy 1:20Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
2 John 1:9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
I disagree. I believe Jesus hates the majority of humankind and that Jesus wants to torture them forever. Do you believe Jesus loves the people He sends to hell? That's just sadistic, of course. Jesus takes perfect care of His own. Everyone else though is a different matter.
Do you have scriptural evidence for this?
I suppose we should all be like you. Let's shut down all the prisons, since we have no right to judge people. Murder, rape, stealing - you can do whatever you want and I won't say a word against you! 
Perhaps you should read Matthew 7:1-5 more closely. Particularly verse 5: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Jesus does not say, "Go on with the beam in your eye, and ignore the mote." He says first, STOP SINNING, and then, TELL YOUR BROTHER TO STOP SINNING TOO!
And all TRUE Christians are without sin:
1 John 3:6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
See, I don't believe that we have free will. I'm a Calvinist. I believe God predetermined before the beginning of time everything everyone would ever do, and the Bible clearly advocates this.
Acts 13:48And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Romans 8:29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Romans 9: 10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Ephesians 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
2 Thessalonians 2:11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Timothy 1:9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Jude 1:4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by Celtic_Warrior
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You dont have to agree with a religion, but to make sport of it shows a lack of respect that isnt called for. Catholics belive what they belive, just as you do. The use of the term "Special bread" shows a contempt which shocks me comming from a "pastor" I feel the need to correct you on the "praying to Jesus' mother" Catholics dont do that either. Any who say the do are a bit misinformed. They are asking Mary to interceed on their behalf to her son Jesus. Once again you dont need to belive what they do to show respect for their faith in Jesus.
[quote]Once again I am not defending the Catholic church. That statement applies for all religions, including yours my friend.[/img]
I resent that. I do not have a religion. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ! We are quite close.
I belive faith with out works is dead. You can claim to belive all you want but without actions it means nothing.
Its sad that you take great joy that any child of god is "writhing in the fiery pits of hell" The statement "Godless heathen Indian" is full of hate. How can you hope to change the hearts of men with hate? Let me ask you a question, Would you deny peace to the world if a non christian were to bring it about?
I belive, saddly, that the only way there will be peace on earth is for Jesus to come again. It is in part because of people like yourself that we have such a divide between followers of Jesus. You should embrace your Love of Him, not squable over the differences.
Romans 16:17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Galatians 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
2 Thessalonians 3:6Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
2 Thessalonians 3:14And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2 Timothy 2:16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17nd their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
1 Timothy 1:20Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
2 John 1:9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
I disagree. Jesus loved everyone. He died for everyone. If the definition of a christian is one who is like Christ, then should you not love all people as did Christ. You dont have to agree with hopw someone lives their life, you can even tell them you disagree, but if you claim to follow Jesus shouldnt you be doing it with the love and joy that comes from knowing and loving him? Not from a place of self rightousness, anger, and hate.
I dont think christians should condem others. Lead by example, live your faith, everyone should be able to see Christ in you. That should be your goal.
If thats the way you see it, thats the way you see it. Its your calling and your duty then to do that. If you care for your neighbor as you say then why would you not speak to them with love in your heart? Why would you rebuke them with happiness in your heart. You should be humble and carring. Showing them the way not beating them with the Word.
Taking from what you have said so far, anyone who is not of your exact thinking is in need of salvation. That making it very easy and with no amount of judging needed. As you have so thoughtfully quoted Mathew 7 1-5 Allow me to urge you to take a good hard look at it. It would seem alot of the people on here could due with rereading that. Perhaps a beter way to look at it is, Who among you is without sin. None of us are. None of us are perfect, and if you think yourself so you are in more need of salvation then those you seek to save.
Jesus does not say, "Go on with the beam in your eye, and ignore the mote." He says first, STOP SINNING, and then, TELL YOUR BROTHER TO STOP SINNING TOO!
And all TRUE Christians are without sin:
1 John 3:6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
We all have free will, that was the way it was meant to be. You should respect that. You can lead people to heaven by your actions, you cant drag them their agaisnt there will. Jesus loves all of his children equally, those that you call saved and those that you say will burn in hell. In the end its not up to you or I who is allowed into heaven or sent to hell.
Acts 13:48And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Romans 8:29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Romans 9: 10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Ephesians 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
2 Thessalonians 2:11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Timothy 1:9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Jude 1:4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Oh, I can't do it! It's too ridiculous! 
Did I hit a soft spot? Whine and moan? Your little community here effects me 0%, I honestly don't care at all. I mean look around this place.
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