[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Ok let me help you get things back on topic.

Zoroastrianism. This is where Christianity came from.

Catholicism is the First Church and arguably the only true Church of Christianity, and King James has about as much credability as Joseph Smith.

This is NOT a debate forum. We will not sit idly by and watch you blaspheme against God's favorite church.

Go back to the beginning of this thread and read what has been posted. Your satan-ispired argumants have long since been ground into dust.

[Meek and Humble]

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Your not too good at reading, Heathen_Basher. I said IN CHURCH. Ive learned NOTHING about my faith online. My Priests and Bible Study teachers have taught me the ways of God. I believe in God because I was raised that way.

So you just blindly believe what was taught to you without giving it a second thought? You have no interest in trying to challenge your beliefs through studying and maybe learn something new? And what I wrote there is the official position of the Catholic church as expressed clearly in the Catechism, endorsed by the Pope. All priest and laypeople of the church are supposed to believe that the Vatican's messages are infallible. Regardless of what is taught specifically in your church, by attending a Catholic church you would think you agreed with the basic tenets of Catholicism that atheists, homosexuals, and Jews won't be saved.

God cominucated through Jesus. That was the beginning of Catholicism. Catholicism teached the ways of the Lord. King James is a fraud, just like Joseph Smith.

You don't know a lot about history do you? Do you think the twelve apostles dressed up in funny dresses and repeated the same lines for an hour on Sunday in a big fancy building full of statues and paintings, spouting off to people to stand up, sit down and kneel before a piece of bread? No. All of these things originated far later, which is why none of it is found in the Bible. The Catholic church at its earliest could not be said to really have formed until the fourth century AD, when Constantine decided to unite the Roman Empire by combining Christianity with Paganism. They then killed all the True Christians as "heretics", tried to destroy all their writings, and supressed the truth for centuries while the Pope ruled Europe with an iron fist.

Like I said twice already, I believe in the Bible and what it teaches, I just do not believe that God wrote it/ imposed his will on a man to write it.

But that's what the Catholic church teaches, so why are you a Catholic?

[steffaNismo]

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But that's what the Catholic church teaches, so why are you a Catholic?

Because my parets are Cstholic, just as their parents, and their parents, etc. Kind of a family tradition. And I like being Catholic. I will admit I do not agree 100% with everything my church teaches, but thats not the underlying point.

God just wants us to love one another unconditionally, and to praise Him. As far as being Catholic goes, I am Pro-Choice, do not belive the Bible was hand written by God, and there are a few other points a disagree on. My parents taught me that all stories in the Bible might now be true, but are good stories to help you live your life by. Almost like life guidelines. Ive still been confirmed by my Bishop, and couldn't be happier.

Amen!

[Star Finder]

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Because my parents bugger young boys, just as their parents, and their parents, etc. Kind of a family tradition. And I like buggering young boys. I will admit I do not agree 100% with everyone who buggers young boys but my church teaches thats not the underlying point.

well with an attitude like that they should have made you POPE!!

[Meek and Humble]

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Because my parets are Cstholic, just as their parents, and their parents, etc. Kind of a family tradition. And I like being Catholic. I will admit I do not agree 100% with everything my church teaches, but thats not the underlying point.

God just wants us to love one another unconditionally, and to praise Him. As far as being Catholic goes, I am Pro-Choice, do not belive the Bible was hand written by God, and there are a few other points a disagree on. My parents taught me that all stories in the Bible might now be true, but are good stories to help you live your life by. Almost like life guidelines. Ive still been confirmed by my Bishop, and couldn't be happier.

Amen!

So you are just blind and complacent to what others expect of you, even if you don't agree with them, just to conform to tradition? That sounds pretty depressing. Wouldn't you rather be your own individual? I mean, why would you want to be in a church that teaches that you, as a Bible-denying, pro-choice, and nonbeliever in Papal infallibility, are going to go to hell? Why don't you join a church that you agree with? Or start your own?

[steffaNismo]

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So you are just blind and complacent to what others expect of you, even if you don't agree with them, just to conform to tradition? That sounds pretty depressing. Wouldn't you rather be your own individual? I mean, why would you want to be in a church that teaches that you, as a Bible-denying, pro-choice, and nonbeliever in Papal infallibility, are going to go to hell? Why don't you join a church that you agree with? Or start your own?

Are you familiar with the ten commandments? Does "Honor thy father and mother" ring a bell?

So there are maybe 3 or 4 standpoints I dont like. Its not that I disagree, because I know the Catholic Church is right, I'm just not the perfect Catholic I guess. But hey, I go to mass, confession, and have been confirmed, and I truly Love God, and I understand his message.

Start my own church huh? "You shall have no other Gods before me". Does this ring a bell? Im a Christian, why would I break any of the Ten Commandments?

Worshiping Jesus on any level is being a Christian, the Ten Commandments are Law broski, I didn't make them, I just try to abide by them.

And why, if these reasons do not satisfy your question as to why I am Catholic? Because I like being Catholic.

[Meek and Humble]

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Are you familiar with the ten commandments? Does "Honor thy father and mother" ring a bell?

You think that means you should do what parents tell you to do, even if it goes against God? Get real. What if you lived in Nazi Germany and your parents taught you that Jews needed to be eliminated? What if you lived in the Old South and your parents taught you it was right to keep slaves? What if you were a Muslim and your parents taught you to worship Allah? Why do you think Jesus said this:

Luke 14:26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 10:35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Notice the first commandments all have to do with God, only afterward does it get to parents. God comes first. And it seems to me if you really wanted to honor them, the best way would be to convince to get out of the false church which shall damn them to hell.

So there are maybe 3 or 4 standpoints I dont like. Its not that I disagree, because I know the Catholic Church is right, I'm just not the perfect Catholic I guess. But hey, I go to mass, confession, and have been confirmed, and I truly Love God, and I understand his message.

So you know the Church is right about saying Jews, homosexuals, and atheists are going to hell, that the Bible is the perfectly inspired Word of God, and that abortion is wrong, but you also don't believe the church is right about those things? Sounds like you are far away from understanding anything.

Start my own church huh? "You shall have no other Gods before me". Does this ring a bell? Im a Christian, why would I break any of the Ten Commandments?

I did not say make up your own God. Nor did I seriously suggest you start your own church, but it seems to me that would be a more logical approach them continuing in a church you staunchly disagree with on key matters. But ironically as a Catholic you have many "gods" before the Lord - all those statues and painting you kneel before, the communion bread and wine, rosary beads, the Pope, priests, the Saints, the Virgin Mary...

Worshiping Jesus on any level is being a Christian, the Ten Commandments are Law broski, I didn't make them, I just try to abide by them.

But the Ten Commandments are from the Bible, and the Bible was just written by a man, right, so how do we know it's what God really wants. Let's go sing kumbya and smoke weed! Don't give me that. Don't pretend all of a sudden you are all about obeying God's laws. You have proven this entire thread you just want to do what makes you feel good and don't care the tiniest bit about what God wants.

And why, if these reasons do not satisfy your question as to why I am Catholic? Because I like being Catholic.

Then enjoy hell is all I can say.

[steffaNismo]

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well with an attitude like that they should have made you POPE!!

Your just plain stupid.

You think that means you should do what parents tell you to do, even if it goes against God? Get real. What if you lived in Nazi Germany and your parents taught you that Jews needed to be eliminated? What if you lived in the Old South and your parents taught you it was right to keep slaves? What if you were a Muslim and your parents taught you to worship Allah? Why do you think Jesus said this:

Luke 14:26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 10:35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Notice the first commandments all have to do with God, only afterward does it get to parents. God comes first. And it seems to me if you really wanted to honor them, the best way would be to convince to get out of the false church which shall damn them to hell.




So you know the Church is right about saying Jews, homosexuals, and atheists are going to hell, that the Bible is the perfectly inspired Word of God, and that abortion is wrong, but you also don't believe the church is right about those things? Sounds like you are far away from understanding anything.

I did not say make up your own God. Nor did I seriously suggest you start your own church, but it seems to me that would be a more logical approach them continuing in a church you staunchly disagree with on key matters. But ironically as a Catholic you have many "gods" before the Lord - all those statues and painting you kneel before, the communion bread and wine, rosary beads, the Pope, priests, the Saints, the Virgin Mary...


But the Ten Commandments are from the Bible, and the Bible was just written by a man, right, so how do we know it's what God really wants. Let's go sing kumbya and smoke weed! Don't give me that. Don't pretend all of a sudden you are all about obeying God's laws. You have proven this entire thread you just want to do what makes you feel good and don't care the tiniest bit about what God wants.



Then enjoy hell is all I can say.

Your scriptures mean nothing to me. The Bible was no written to be taken word for word.

And it seems as though you are STILL having difficulty understanding where I stand as far as my religion is concerned. Ok I will try dumming it down for you.

A Big Mac. I like Big Macs, but I do not like the onions that come on Big Macs, therefore I have them take the onions off my Big Mac so I can further enjoy it. Is this becoming any more clear for you? And maybe some random guy did write the Bible, I still have never said it holds no meaning to me. I follow the Ten Commandments, and what Jesus taught. All Christians go to heaven, I am a Christian, why would you assume I am going to hell?

Oh, and just for your information, according to Zoroastrianism, where Christianity is derived from by the way, there is an ongoing battle between heaven and hell, and one day Heaven will prevail, and evil will no longer exist, releasing all that were condemned to Hell, including Satan. This is becaus evil will not exist and it will be impossible to commit evil. Then, all the retards, homosexuals, Jews, athiests, etc., will live in harmony in Heaven. Can you deal with that?

Look it up if you do not believe me - Zoroastrianism.

[Meek and Humble]

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Your scriptures mean nothing to me. The Bible was no written to be taken word for word.[/quote]

And you know that how?

And it seems as though you are STILL having difficulty understanding where I stand as far as my religion is concerned. Ok I will try dumming it down for you.

You can get even, er, "dummer"?

A Big Mac. I like Big Macs, but I do not like the onions that come on Big Macs, therefore I have them take the onions off my Big Mac so I can further enjoy it. Is this becoming any more clear for you? And maybe some random guy did write the Bible, I still have never said it holds no meaning to me. I follow the Ten Commandments, and what Jesus taught. All Christians go to heaven, I am a Christian, why would you assume I am going to hell?

Yes, but the difference is McDonalds does not say you will go to hell for picking the wrong toppings on your hamburgers. You follow what the Ten Commandments and Jesus taught, but your only access to that is the Bible, which you say could just have been written by any random man. So why do you trust the ten commandments and the pretty stuff Jesus stuff, but feel free to reject the stuff you don't like? This isn't about getting onions on your big mac. This is about going to KFC and ordering lobster. And in case you didn't notice, the whole point of this thread is to say that Catholics AREN'T Christians!

Oh, and just for your information, according to Zoroastrianism, where Christianity is derived from by the way, there is an ongoing battle between heaven and hell, and one day Heaven will prevail, and evil will no longer exist, releasing all that were condemned to Hell, including Satan. This is becaus evil will not exist and it will be impossible to commit evil. Then, all the retards, homosexuals, Jews, athiests, etc., will live in harmony in Heaven. Can you deal with that?

So you believe Christianity is just the offshoot of some ancient Babylonian pagan religion?

Look it up if you do not believe me - Zoroastrianism.

I'm aware what Zoroastrianism is. I, unlike you, have devoted a large section to my life studying and contemplating other religions, rather than just blindly accepting what has been taught to me (even going so far to accept stuff I don't even believe in).

[steffaNismo]

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And you know that how?



You can get even, er, "dummer"?



Yes, but the difference is McDonalds does not say you will go to hell for picking the wrong toppings on your hamburgers. You follow what the Ten Commandments and Jesus taught, but your only access to that is the Bible, which you say could just have been written by any random man. So why do you trust the ten commandments and the pretty stuff Jesus stuff, but feel free to reject the stuff you don't like? This isn't about getting onions on your big mac. This is about going to KFC and ordering lobster. And in case you didn't notice, the whole point of this thread is to say that Catholics AREN'T Christians!


So you believe Christianity is just the offshoot of some ancient Babylonian pagan religion?



I'm aware what Zoroastrianism is. I, unlike you, have devoted a large section to my life studying and contemplating other religions, rather than just blindly accepting what has been taught to me (even going so far to accept stuff I don't even believe in).

This is going absolutely nowhere. You literally have been brainwashed to the point of no return. I can be Catholic and still have my own viewpoints on things, I can enjoy a Big Mac with no onions, and Catholics are Jesus worshiping Christians. YOU believe King James, a man who claimed God hath spoken to him... Yet you also claim the original Bible is straight from God. I think I will stick to the actual God version of the Bible.

This forum is filled with insecure hypocrites who believe they have the right to judge.

Let me get one thing straight. NONE of you are as righteous as God, and none of you have any room to judge. Ever hear a saying about those who live in glass houses?

Ugh I'm finished with trying to have sympathy for you ******* ****** ******'s. Censored for the weak stomachs on here. Of course none of you are looking for any, you truly believe the shit that comes out of your own mouths. I'm leaving for the night, who knows if I shall even return, this place is a waste of my time.

Christians? Negative, I do not beileve you are Christians, you hold too much hate in your hearts. How can you expect God to let you into Heaven with so much hate towards others? Whatever, have an awesome night, wannabee Christians.

-Steffan - Catholic & true Christian.

[Meek and Humble]

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This is going absolutely nowhere. You literally have been brainwashed to the point of no return. I can be Catholic and still have my own viewpoints on things, I can enjoy a Big Mac with no onions, and Catholics are Jesus worshiping Christians. YOU believe King James, a man who claimed God hath spoken to him... Yet you also claim the original Bible is straight from God. I think I will stick to the actual God version of the Bible.

Um, what? Do you know anything at ALL about history? The King James Bible is just an English translation of the original Hebrew Old Testament and Greek New Testament, just as the Catholic sanctioned English translations. The only difference is that the King James Bible translated it ACCURATELY, while other Bibles have traditionally changed what the original said to make it sound nicer or to confirm to their own personal theology. King James never claimed God spoke to him (unlike your Popes, who claim to be God's representative on Earth). King James didn't even have anything to do with the Bible translation that bears his name, other than authorizing a group of scholars to make the translation. Now, if you have any specific reason as to why the KJV is a faulty translation, I would be glad to hear it.

Funny that you think I'm brainwashed, when you are the one blindly following what you were taught from birth. Look, people who disagree with the Vatican's official positions are considered heretics in Catholicism, and heresy is a sin. So next time you are in that confessional, you had better mention that you don't think the Bible is the true word of God, that you think atheists, Jews, and homosexuals can go to heaven, and that you think abortion is alright. Let's see how your priest reacts to that.

This forum is filled with insecure hypocrites who believe they have the right to judge.

Just as you feel you have the right to judge us. But at least we aren't hypocritical and pretend not to judge.

Let me get one thing straight. NONE of you are as righteous as God, and none of you have any room to judge. Ever hear a saying about those who live in glass houses?

You are the one who thinks he is as righteous as God. You think you can just believe in whatever you want, and that makes it correct.

Ugh I'm finished with trying to have sympathy for you ******* ****** ******'s. Censored for the weak stomachs on here. Of course none of you are looking for any, you truly believe the shit that comes out of your own mouths. I'm leaving for the night, who knows if I shall even return, this place is a waste of my time.

Good night.

Christians? Negative, I do not beileve you are Christians, you hold too much hate in your hearts. How can you expect God to let you into Heaven with so much hate towards others? Whatever, have an awesome night, wannabee Christians.

We hold too much hate in our hearts? Look at the last paragraph you wrote there, pal. In fact, look at your entire posting history here. You have been insulting us all along.

-Steffan - Catholic & true Christian.

Ironically, you have proven in this post to be neither of those things - you don't believe in Catholicism and you certainly aren't a Christian.

[Adramelech]

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some of you need to read Matthew 7:1-5

[Wide-Open]

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some of you need to read Matthew 7:1-5

And some of us need to read the whole Bible.

[Adramelech]

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And some of us need to read the whole Bible.

I have not? news to me, I may not know it as well as some, but that doesnt mean I have not read The Bible.

[Wide-Open]

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I have not? news to me, I may not know it as well as some, but that doesnt mean I have not read The Bible.

And yet you have the nerve to say "some of us" never read Matthew 7:1-5.

"News" to us.

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