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[shol'va]

Ummm... you do know that this site was started as a PARODY of fundamentalist Chistianity, right? Do you really believe what you preach?

Now, before everyone rips on me for being liberal, I must begin by saying that I am more of a left-leaning centrist. In fact, I disagree with many of the typical liberal beliefs. I am pro-life, save for when a pregnancy is the product of rape or threatens the mother's life, and I'm pro-war, as even setting a timetable for withdrawl from Iraq sends the wrong message to our enemies.

Now that we've established some common ground, I have a few questions for you all. Why, pray, do you worship a false god? I, personally, will NOT submit to a jealous, vindictive, intolerant "god" as portrayed in the Old Testament. Your god is imperfect, as we see in this passage from Exodus Chapter 23:

7 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
11 And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?
12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.
13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.
14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Yahweh repented! Dissuaded by a mere mortal! Now answer this if you will: imperfect anger aside, why would an "perfect" being make an imperfect judgement, and then repent?

The first commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me", implies that there are indeed other gods. In fact, in Genesis' original translation, God says: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." Never in the Old Testament does it truly say that other gods are 'false', nor that they do not exist. Yet fundamentalists believe the old Pagan gods to have never existed. Explain this.

The Old Testament is rife with horrid punishments for mere small crimes. Do you really believe these laws to still apply in modern times? Remember, the Bible says "Do unto others..." Would you really have the whole town stone you for saying something blasphemous as a joke, or for stealing an ox out of need? You would say to me, "human rights were invented in the garden of Eden by Satan", as certain writers hath said. Well, maybe I would rather follow your satan than your god. Indeed, the devil is very insidious. Have you never considered that Yahweh may have been satan in sheep's clothing? In my view, your god acts more like a devil than a god.

Jesus said (paraphrase) "beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves". Now, this quote can easily be used against liberal Christians and people like me, but consider what he said next: "You will know them by their fruits." Our fruits are tolerance and peace. Your fruits are intolerance and religious violence. Think about it.

Theocracy implies small or no freedom. Humans like freedom. If you establish a fascist theocracy, like you express the wish to, then the natural human need for freedom will eventually create rebellion, and your government will fall.

Now, I have a theory as to why you believe as you do. Fear. It is an insidious emotion. It leads you to the conclusion that, if you do not believe in the false god of the Old Testament and the message of Jerry Falwell and his ilk, you will go to hell. The punishments offered by them are far greater than those of any religion, perhaps even Islamic fundamentalism. Thus in order to avoid hell you follow them. Perhaps you were raised by fundamentalist parents, racist and ignorant? Then I say to you: fight your fear. Fight your programming.

Now I challenge you all: defend yourself and your beliefs.

P.S. If you ban me or otherwise censor it will just prove my point that your interpretation of the scripture is wrong and you don't want questions to be asked.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Unsaved trash spews garbage

Ummm... you do know that this site was started as a PARODY of fundamentalist Chistianity, right?

No friend, I know our enemies, like Objective Shut Down Landover, falsely accuse us of being a parody. That is because they can not defeat God’s TRUTH and resort to such low tactics.

You shouldn't be so gullable about everything you read in the internets friend.

[Do you really believe what you preach?

I take my faith as seriously as the fires of Hell. You will see most of us post here spreading The Lord’s Good Word every day. That is more than most so called “main stream” Christians can say.

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Now, before everyone rips on me for being liberal, I must begin by saying that I am more of a left-leaning centrist. In fact, I disagree with many of the typical liberal beliefs. I am pro-life, save for when a pregnancy is the product of rape or threatens the mother's life, and I'm pro-war, as even setting a timetable for withdrawl from Iraq sends the wrong message to our enemies.

You are still a nancey boy, tree hugging liberal to me sony; the only message God’s enemies is Iraq deservers’ is they can die, and GW Bush is the man to pull the trigger.

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Now that we've established some common ground, I have a few questions for you all. Why, pray, do you worship a false god? I, personally, will NOT submit to a jealous, vindictive, intolerant "god" as portrayed in the Old Testament. Your god is imperfect, as we see in this passage from Exodus Chapter 23:
Yahweh repented! Dissuaded by a mere mortal! Now answer this if you will: imperfect anger aside, why would an "perfect" being make an imperfect judgement, and then repent?

Why was this an “imperfect judgment”? God loved Moses and Moses asked God not to squash the Jews like a bug. God, being all knowing, humored Moses like a favored child or pet. God also knew that the Jews were going to screw up again so He would have His Justice done anyway and God would have the pleasure of telling Moses “I told you so.”

Perhaps you need to be more opened minded friend.

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The first commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me", implies that there are indeed other gods. In fact, in Genesis' original translation, God says: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." Never in the Old Testament does it truly say that other gods are 'false', nor that they do not exist. Yet fundamentalists believe the old Pagan gods to have never existed. Explain this.

Pagan gods are just false gods put up by Satan. That is why many of their ceremonies resemble Godly Christian ceremonies butedate them. Satan pre-stole these things to mock Jesus.

Do you have problems with the obvious friend?

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The Old Testament is rife with horrid punishments for mere small crimes. Do you really believe these laws to still apply in modern times? Remember, the Bible says "Do unto others..." Would you really have the whole town stone you for saying something blasphemous as a joke, or for stealing an ox out of need? You would say to me, "human rights were invented in the garden of Eden by Satan", as certain writers hath said. Well, maybe I would rather follow your satan than your god. Indeed, the devil is very insidious. Have you never considered that Yahweh may have been satan in sheep's clothing? In my view, your god acts more like a devil than a god.

You forget friend Satan is a fallen angel of God’s. What is an angel; it is an extension of God. Satan is not the anti-God but a construct of God’s to lead unsaved trash like you into sin. That is how God chooses to separate the righteous from the worthless.

I would like you to be one of the righteous friend.

[ Jesus said (paraphrase) "beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves". Now, this quote can easily be used against liberal Christians and people like me, but consider what he said next: "You will know them by their fruits." Our fruits are tolerance and peace. Your fruits are intolerance and religious violence. Think about it.

What is there to think about? God and His co-third of the Trinity call for hatred and intolerance. I am not so arrogant, and as self centered as you are to claim I know better than God.

Assuredly you aren’t for sanctioning evil by passive acceptance?

Theocracy implies small or no freedom. Humans like freedom. If you establish a fascist theocracy, like you express the wish to, then the natural human need for freedom will eventually create rebellion, and your government will fall.

If you friend believe Godly government would fail then you friend do not believe in Christ and are not a Christian like you claim. There is no way a bunch of mere mortal men could stop the Will of God. If they could that would mean God does not exist.

Now, I have a theory as to why you believe as you do. Fear. It is an insidious emotion. It leads you to the conclusion that, if you do not believe in the false god of the Old Testament and the message of Jerry Falwell and his ilk, you will go to hell. The punishments offered by them are far greater than those of any religion, perhaps even Islamic fundamentalism. Thus in order to avoid hell you follow them. Perhaps you were raised by fundamentalist parents, racist and ignorant? Then I say to you: fight your fear. Fight your programming.

Sadly I was not raised by Fundamentalists friend. I was raised by permissive, liberal, east coast elite, blue collar, union membership Catholics and as about as far from Jesus as you could get. PRAISE JESUS He sent Pastor Al to save my soul from Hell.

Now I challenge you all: defend yourself and your beliefs.

P.S. If you ban me or otherwise censor it will just prove my point that your interpretation of the scripture is wrong and you don't want questions to be asked.

Well friend, I guess your dark master Satan loses again.

[shol'va]

Re: Unsaved trash spews garbage

No friend, I know our enemies, like Objective Shut Down Landover, falsely accuse us of being a parody. That is because they can not defeat God’s TRUTH and resort to such low tactics.

You shouldn't be so gullable about everything you read in the internets friend.

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We've given as much tolerance as we have for this kind of slander Shol'va. BJ

I take my faith as seriously as the fires of Hell. You will see most of us post here spreading The Lord’s Good Word every day. That is more than most so called “main stream” Christians can say.

Don't you know that most things in the Bible are meant to be metaphorical allegories? Why, Jesus Himself went around saying a whole bunch of parables, which is another word for metaphor, just in case you don't know that. I believe His teachings should be followed, but seriously, the Old Testament? You've obviously read it, it's more of a story than actual teachings. We should not base our lives on the actions of some false, power-hungry god who killed thousands daily. Again, I will NOT submit to this imperfect being. It is better to go to hell than serve this hateful god... which would also be hell. BTW, is hell ever mentioned in the Old Testament (I believe the "lake of fire" mentioned in the New Testament is meant to be a "lake" of retribution for the devil's sins, not actual lava... another metaphor.)? Honest question here. Would you really have your son stoned, or yourself? Do unto others...

I'll finish this later, I've got to go.

[Talitha]

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Let this be a warning to you.
We are very forgiving here, but spewing lies about our Love of Jesus will only get you a whole heap of Infraction Points.

You write very well, unfortunately your views are not appreciated in God's favourite Forum.

[maverickxeo]

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If this isn't a parody, I'm fear for mankind...

And there is proof this is a farce. Look up the whois info... looks very unusual.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Unsaved trash spews garbage

Don't you know that most things in the Bible are meant to be metaphorical allegories?

So God's laws in the books Leviticus and Deuteronomy are just mere "allegories"? So then what? We can rip them out of The Bible and wipe our butts on them because they are just "nice little stories about God ordering us to stone sinners, that's all".

What is an allegory and what is real is very clear in the Bible IMHO

Why, Jesus Himself went around saying a whole bunch of parables, which is another word for metaphor, just in case you don't know that.

I'm the one whose read scripture here friend. I haven't seen any evidence of that from you.

I believe His teachings should be followed, but seriously, the Old Testament? You've obviously read it, it's more of a story than actual teachings.

God’s law is a “story”? Jesus specially says when He changes The Law.

We should not base our lives on the actions of some false, power-hungry god who killed thousands daily. Again, I will NOT submit to this imperfect being. It is better to go to hell than serve this hateful god... which would also be hell. BTW, is hell ever mentioned in the Old Testament (I believe the "lake of fire" mentioned in the New Testament is meant to be a "lake" of retribution for the devil's sins, not actual lava... another metaphor.)?

Yes, Hell is mentioned 64 times in The Bible, 39 times Old Testament. Remember we are talking God’s correct Holy Word here The King James Version 1611 and not some heretical so called bibles going around out there.

Honest question here. Would you really have your son stoned, or yourself? Do unto others... .

a) It is against the law to stone people in The United States. While it as false, wicked law put up by Satan it is the law and we good and TRUE Christians are commanded to obey the law, as per Romans.

b) I would never be stoned because I have turned my life over to Jesus and He protects me from sinning. GLORY!

[Bobby-Joe]

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If this isn't a parody, I'm fear for mankind...

And there is proof this is a farce. Look up the whois info... looks very unusual.

You've yet to show us were any of our beliefs are wrong with The Bible friend and you can't. No friend, Landover is THE TRUTH whether you like it or not. You only cling to your absurd lie because you hate Jesus. Well friend, the Good News is He still loves you and His hand is still held out to you.

Any more slander about Jesus favorite church on this thred will be deleted. We have discussed this enough and I will not allow Satan's lies to stand in the way of the mission Jesus has set us TRUE Christians on.

[maverickxeo]

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You've yet to show us were any of our beliefs are wrong with The Bible friend and you can't. No friend, Landover is THE TRUTH whether you like it or not. You only cling to your absurd lie because you hate Jesus. Well friend, the Good News is He still loves you and His hand is still held out to you.

Any more slander about Jesus favorite church on this thred will be deleted. We have discussed this enough and I will not allow Satan's lies to stand in the way of the mission Jesus has set us TRUE Christians on.

You know, there are MANY 'Bibles' or "holy Books.' I don't think you are the one true religion.

[Bobby-Joe]

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You know, there are MANY 'Bibles' or "holy Books.' I don't think you are the one true religion.

Friend,

There is one Bible, KJV1611, and many false, Satan sponsored bibles like the NIV. The KJV1611 came from God Himself to King James, the rest are so much fire starter.

[maverickxeo]

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Friend,

There is one Bible, KJV1611, and many false, Satan sponsored bibles like the NIV. The KJV1611 came from God Himself to King James, the rest are so much fire starter.

If you can provide concrete proof, I'll believe you. Unfortunately, you can't.

[Bobby-Joe]

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If you can provide concrete proof, I'll believe you. Unfortunately, you can't.

Easy enough; the text the NIV was translated from was found by a mad Russian in a trash can in monastery and Mt Sinai. Do you really think God is going to keep His Word to His creation in the trash?

[maverickxeo]

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Easy enough; the text the NIV was translated from was found by a mad Russian in a trash can in monastery and Mt Sinai. Do you really think God is going to keep His Word to His creation in the trash?

Again, can you provide concrete proof?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Unsaved trash spews garbage

Again, can you provide concrete proof?

Yes. But considering the complexity of the issue and your clear lack of understand, interest and even basic knowledge of the subject, what's the point of discussing it?

I am not going to waste 15 minutes of my life for one of your sulky, one sentence replies kiddo. Look it up on line yourself.

[shol'va]

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You are still a nacey boy, tree hugging liberal to me sony; the only message God’s enemies is Iraq deservers’ is they can die, and GW Bush is the man to pull the trigger.

You have a right to your opinion...

Why was this an “imperfect judgment”? God loved Moses and Moses asked God not to squash the Jews like a bug. God, being all knowing, humored Moses like a favored child or pet. God also knew that the Jews were going to screw up again so He would have His Justice done anyway and God would have the pleasure of telling Moses “I told you so.”

Perhaps you need to be more opened minded friend.:mello:

Humoured him, did he? If the Old Testament is God's Word, then why does it say that God was actually angry, and not make any mention of the "fact" that God knew that he would not, in the end, destroy the Israelites? It never really says that God knew what was going to happen, it is only your interpretation that says so.

Pagan gods are just false gods put up by Satan. That is why many of their ceremonies resemble Godly Christian ceremonies butedate them. Satan pre-stole these things to mock Jesus.

Do you have problems with the obvious friend?

HAHAHA! Pre-stole? You're funny. More like the Christian church stole the ceremonies from Paganism, made them into Christian holidays. It's statements like that that make me wonder if you were lying when you said you take what you preach as serious as the flames of Hell.

You forget friend Satan is a fallen angel of God’s. What is an angel; it is an extension of God. Satan is not the anti-God but a construct of God’s to lead unsaved trash like you into sin. That is how God chooses to separate the righteous from the worthless.

I would like you to be one of the righteous friend.

I agree with your concept of angels as extensions of God. But how do you know that my God is Satan, and yours isn't? Can you really prove that Yahweh all those years ago wasn't actually Satan misleading Moses and his people?

Got to go again, I'll be finishing this later.

[OnYourKnees]

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Do you really believe what you preach?

We are here to share the truth about what God has said in His Word. When have we done otherwise? Can you find an example?

You may note that the Pastors/Admins are all followers of Jesus. Would that be the case if they were just here to play games?

Now, before everyone rips on me for being liberal, I must begin by saying that I am more of a left-leaning centrist. In fact, I disagree with many of the typical liberal beliefs. I am pro-life, save for when a pregnancy is the product of rape or threatens the mother's life, and I'm pro-war, as even setting a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq sends the wrong message to our enemies.

Now that we've established some common ground, I have a few questions for you all. Why, pray, do you worship a false god? I, personally, will NOT submit to a jealous, vindictive, intolerant "god" as portrayed in the Old Testament. Your god is imperfect, as we see in this passage from Exodus Chapter 23:

Then why are you here?

God offers free choice. You can follow Him, and all His laws, or you can spend eternity in Hell, as He has promised in His Word. What could be more fair than that?

Yahweh repented! Dissuaded by a mere mortal! Now answer this if you will: imperfect anger aside, why would a "perfect" being make an imperfect judgement, and then repent?

Where did He say that His judgment was imperfect? He changed His mind.

Have you never changed your mind?

The first commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me", implies that there are indeed other gods. In fact, in Genesis' original translation, God says: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." Never in the Old Testament does it truly say that other gods are 'false', nor that they do not exist. Yet fundamentalists believe the old Pagan gods to have never existed. Explain this.

Simple. You are interpreting, rather than reading.

God did not want anyone making up gods and praying to them, because that takes the glory from Him. I thought you'd read the Bible?

They were praying to a golden calf, for crying out loud!

The Old Testament is rife with horrid punishments for mere small crimes. Do you really believe these laws to still apply in modern times? Remember, the Bible says "Do unto others..." Would you really have the whole town stone you for saying something blasphemous as a joke, or for stealing an ox out of need?

How many people steal an ox out of need? It's not like they're going to eat it.

Let's bear in mind that God is omniscient. He knows all past, present, AND FUTURE. If there were a time when He felt that particular laws would no longer be necessary, why would He not simply write in His Word, "These laws will no longer apply after 1963"?

Being omnipotent, God could also rewrite His Word at any point, were He so to choose. So why doesn't He just eliminate all those rules? Because they're all still in effect, just as Jesus said!

You would say to me, "human rights were invented in the garden of Eden by Satan", as certain writers hath said. Well, maybe I would rather follow your satan than your god. Indeed, the devil is very insidious. Have you never considered that Yahweh may have been satan in sheep's clothing? In my view, your god acts more like a devil than a god.

Nope, but that sounds awfully close to blasphemy.

Jesus said (paraphrase) "beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves". Now, this quote can easily be used against liberal Christians and people like me, but consider what he said next: "You will know them by their fruits." Our fruits are tolerance and peace. Your fruits are intolerance and religious violence. Think about it.

God is a God of War. Read your Bible.

We are commanded by God to kill those who will not follow Him; the only reason we don't kill more is because He also commands us to follow the laws of men. We are commanded by God that, when we invade and take a city, we are to kill all the non-virgin females and all the males of any age. Then we are to "marry" the virgin females. Some liberals call this "ethnic cleansing", but we call it Obeying God's Commands.

Our fruits are those which God/Jesus has commanded us to cultivate: The destruction of those who refuse to follow Him. Can you say the same? Show us where the Bible speaks of "tolerance".

Theocracy implies small or no freedom. Humans like freedom. If you establish a fascist theocracy, like you express the wish to, then the natural human need for freedom will eventually create rebellion, and your government will fall.

Humans like fornication and witchcraft too, that doesn't make them OK.

Those atheist Communist states are doing much better than the US, aren't they? (Oh, yeah. WHAT Communist states?)

Now, I have a theory as to why you believe as you do. Fear. It is an insidious emotion. It leads you to the conclusion that, if you do not believe in the false god of the Old Testament and the message of Jerry Falwell and his ilk, you will go to hell. The punishments offered by them are far greater than those of any religion, perhaps even Islamic fundamentalism. Thus in order to avoid hell you follow them. Perhaps you were raised by fundamentalist parents, racist and ignorant? Then I say to you: fight your fear. Fight your programming.

Contrary to your bigoted stereotyping, we are not a bunch of brain-dead rednecks incapable of reading a book. Why, I'm in the midst of Lee Stoebel's "The Case for Christ" right now! Perhaps you should read it . . . though I'm sure you'd be trying to find holes in Stoebel's story, and probably come here posting all about them.

Now I challenge you all: defend yourself and your beliefs.

P.S. If you ban me or otherwise censor it will just prove my point that your interpretation of the scripture is wrong and you don't want questions to be asked.

Your closing statement reflects the sort of people with whom you're accustomed to associating, not us. Look about our Forum. We have Wiccans and Pagans here, who are members in good standing. We even have a Catholic priest.

They are welcome here as long as they debate respectfully, as are you. We have nothing to hide here, since we teach from God's Word, and tell only the truth about God's Word.