[GOD=life]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Plus not all fire is evil! Don't you use fire (electrical fire in this case) to cook your food?

If use fire to cook, but not a gigantic ball of fire that could swallow and destroy the entire disc of earth.

It's like asking "are you afraid of spending 5 minutes next to Sulfur?". No, I am not. Okay, then "are you afraid of spending an eternity surrounded in Sufur in Hell?" Yes, I am. See how the picture changes with scale?

Please stop being paranoid and stop seing hell and demons everywhere.

I do not see Hell and Demons everywhere because God, the Bible and this forum provide guidance on how to avoid them.

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

The sun provides you with light and heat. Plants would not grow without it, you would not see anything without it. The temperature would drop to tell than 3°K if not for the sun. Go to a closed dark room without any light and stay there for 3 days, that's what hell is like.
Try to grow plants without light, give it a try.

Plus the sun is decently far away, so that even if you run towards it every day of your life nonstop you would still not reach it.

[GOD=life]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Go to a closed dark room without any light and stay there for 3 days, that's what hell is like.

Got any Scripture to back that up?

Plus the sun is decently far away, so that even if you run towards it every day of your life nonstop you would still not reach it.

Exactly how do you propose I run 500 miles up into the sky? Doesn't seem very practical.

Because the sun is so high up, we need scientific calculations to determine its exact distance from the disc. And that has been calculated through scientific means to be 500 miles.

[Aristotle]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I give hard facts and figures, and the best you can do is to dismiss it out of hand as "Bullcrap", with no attempt to refute it. You must be one of those rational atheists we keep hearing so much about.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

I think you pegged him exactly, Pastor. Next, he will be claiming that global warming is real, even as Florida freezes its oranges off. These Liberals have a definite atheist agenda and ignore the good Christian Science done by you and such distinguished academic centers as Liberty University

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

look this forum sais pi = 3.0000

Also scientific calculations include errors, total error, relatice error, absolute error. There is no experimentation procedure to obtain any values.
That the sun's surface is around 5000°K was stated by the pastor already, but those data where obtained via real scintific investigation and not assumptions.

You can't use math or physics or chemistry since if i recall correctly:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=4474

sais you should not trust them. The only reason i trust in experimental sciences is because I use devices every day of my life which are developed when I trust that my science works.

Please tell me if Vacuum, Wave-particle duality, electricity, the telescope and pi=3.14159... are tools of the devil. If they are I have sinned and will ask for forgiveness and shut my mouth. However you will have to stop using any modern device you possess, since you are playing with the toys of the satan. Backwards logic is a double edged sword.

[Aristotle]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You guys are the dumbest mother piffleers I have ever seen. I cannot believe there are so many retards that believe in all of this shit. There is no way God or Jesus or whoever would believe in this shit. I get so much entertainment just reading these forums cause they are all full of bullshit.

It's really sad how a bunch of lost pathetic people need to believe in all of this just to live their lives. You believe if you don't believe in this then you will do bad things. That my friends is sign of weakness and the reality is that there is probably a good amount of you that play with little boys and do sickening things.

I know this account will get banned and thats fine. I will be back. I can make a million more e-mail accounts to sign up with. Try and block my ip address from the site. An ip address can easily be changed.

Unlike you 'fake' Christians, we TrueBelievers™ at LandOver Baptist follow the whole Bible (KJV 1611) and don't try to put some modern spin on it. If we have misquoted the Bible, please point it out. Otherwise, look forward to your stay in HELL!

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

How do you know the Sun is made of coal, and not, say, a nuclear fusion reaction consisting of hydrogen and helium?

If you have read the whole thread, then you have seen that we have calculated the size and mass of the sun. The sun is way too small to sustain a nuclear fusion reaction for the 6013 years since the beginning of creation.

Although it would make for an interesting debate, I already know that all and any evidence I have will be dismissed in favour of the bible.
I will just put in a few selected images and end my monologue on the heliocentrical world view here:

I was hoping you could come up with a model with the right triangles for the geocentric model like the one you came up with for the heliocentric model. If you can't do it, I'll create one when I get some time. I think it would be great to have a third scientific proof in this thread instead just the two that I already have.

Actually, Pastor, at some point in time, i can face my back towards the sun. 500 miles further to the direction i am seeing, there is a guy who lives at the same altitude as mine.

OK, so if the sun is towards your back, then you are facing north and your friend is in Norway. Under normal weather patterns it should be cooler where he is, but you have to account for local conditions. If there's a big high pressure system centered over Scotland pushing cold air down on you, and another big high pressure system centered over the Baltic Sea pushing warmer air up on him, then it might actually be warmer where he is.

To account for this, what you will need to do is measure the temperature difference every day for at least a year, and then average it together, or maybe take a rolling average if you are one of those global warming kooks.

Again, by calculating the temperature with this distance, your formula comes out to the number i gave you.

So actually, if that can not be right, that means that there must be something wrong with your proof.

What's wrong is your use of it. That temperature gradient I gave is for moving vertically through the atmosphere, and doesn't apply to moving horizontally across the Earth's surface. I don't know what the temperature gradient is for moving away from the tropics towards the poles along the Earth's surface, but it is obviously much less than 6° K/km, and I already explained to you why that is.

That the sun's surface is around 5000°K was stated by the pastor already, but those data where obtained via real scintific investigation and not assumptions.

I figured that out by taking the peak wavelength and applying Wein's Displacement Law to solve for the temperature. If the sun were red it would be cooler, and if it were blue it would be hotter.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Aristotle]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Assuming linearity of temperature gradient. This kind of stuff doesn't work when you deal with vacuums.

The wife has an old Kirby vacuum. It gets real hot by the motor but stays cool at the handle so I think that vacuums do support a temperature gradient. However, the handle is kind of bent so it might not be linear any more.

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Dear pastor, i tried looking up the mars and venus trajectories from a geocentrical point of view but the problem is that they are not that easy to describe. Problematic is following:

Geocentrical:

Earth is fixed and the sun rotates around the earth as do all other planets. Their paths are not ellyptical but have a (missing the words) wheird turn at some points if you look at it from the earth. I simplified it and ignored the trajectories of the planets and just considered the sun, in fact we just need the sun. Coincidentally the same experimental setup was used to measure the curvature of the planet.

Here goes the setup:

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5853/sunau.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6850/anglej.jpg

this allows you to form a triangle and to calculate the distance to the sun.

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Argh >.< i wanted to post the images not the links, here go the images please forgive me for souble post, my bad.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I simplified it and ignored the trajectories of the planets and just considered the sun, in fact we just need the sun. Coincidentally the same experimental setup was used to measure the curvature of the planet.

Thanks, friend. That's not bad at all, and should be easy enough to do. I have a well, and Marshall has a well on his property about 275 miles from me. That's not quite 500 km, but it should be good enough to make the experiment work.

We'll measure the angle of the sunlight falling into our wells, we'll get some GPS data to tell us precisely how far apart our wells are, and then I'll do some ciphering and get back to you.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

that would make for a great experiment In fact you could simplify it down and using simple geometry measure the angle of the shadow at any time when the sun is in the sky, using geometry you could always calculate the complete triangle with 1 known side and 2 known angles: it may take a while for the sun to be right over your well if it is not the right season.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

that would make for a great experiment In fact you could simplify it down and using simple geometry measure the angle of the shadow at any time when the sun is in the sky, using geometry you could always calculate the complete triangle with 1 known side and 2 known angles: it may take a while for the sun to be right over your well if it is not the right season.

I don't live in the tropics, so the sun will never be directly over my well, no matter what time of year.

The math is harder without a right triangle, but we'll have two angles and one side, which is all we need to calculate everything else. The sun will be shining into my well and Marshall's well at slightly different angles, and we'll know the distance between the two wells, so we'll be able to figure it out.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Aristotle]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I don't live in the tropics, so the sun will never be directly over my well, no matter what time of year.

The math is harder without a right triangle, but we'll have two angles and one side, which is all we need to calculate everything else. The sun will be shining into my well and Marshall's well at slightly different angles, and we'll know the distance between the two wells, so we'll be able to figure it out.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Sorry Pastor, but I think this experiment was already done by the great astronomer Samuel Rowbotham, aka Parallax, in his famous book, 'Zetetic Astronomy.' Unfortunately, there is no new Lady Blount to fund the continuation of his vital research and counter the atheist teaching at places like MIT.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

that would make for a great experiment In fact you could simplify it down and using simple geometry measure the angle of the shadow at any time when the sun is in the sky, using geometry you could always calculate the complete triangle with 1 known side and 2 known angles: it may take a while for the sun to be right over your well if it is not the right season.

Now that I think about it, the geometry isn't that simple because the sun will not be in a direct line with our wells. Marshall is almost due east of me and we are both far enough north that the sun never reaches the zenith, so the sun will always be to our south. Do you know a three-dimensional formula that will work? Otherwise, I'll have to find someone with a well due north or due south of mine, and wait for solar noon on the equinox to do this.

Pastor Billy-Reuben