[praisescience]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

OK, just because I didn't personally establish the proof of how long it takes light to reach earth from the sun doesn't mean it isn't right.

Let's ignore that bit about the 8 minutes (despite being scientifically proven). The sun's surface temperature is about 5500C or 5800K. You, Pastor have yourself given a link leading to this information. If we were 600 miles away, where would all the heat have gone over that distance? We would be incredibly hot, our planet would be uninhabitable.

It seems odd that you pick and choose certain scientific points to prove your ridiculous theory.

(Nasa has all of the answers to the questions on how and where I got my numbers from, ie 8 minutes) I'm indescribably happy that you aren't in a position of power, and never will be. The dark ages were dark for a reason... religion dominated.

[praisescience]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

We got our spectrometer up and running, and today was a sunny day, so we fired it up! Here is the result:

[ATTACH]7483[/ATTACH]

It turns out that the peak wavelength is 501nm, which means that the sun is actually green rather than yellow! Why does it look yellow to us then? Because air is blue, and when you shine a green light through a blue filter, it looks yellow.

Now I'll revisit all of my old calculations with the new data:
501 = 2897768.5/T
501 * T = 2897768.5
T = 2897768.5/501
T = 5784.0° K (9951.5° F)

So the sun is 5784.0° K rather than 5039.6° K. That's a good bit hotter. Let's see how far away it is now:
d = (5039.6 - 288)/6
d = 916.0 km (569.2 miles)

So the sun is exactly 569.2 miles away, not the 491.1 miles I estimated earlier. My calculation was off because I didn't know that the sun wasn't really yellow.

Let's calculate the diameter again, now that we have accurate numbers.
Remember, with a focal point of 1 meter, the sun appears to have a radius of 1 cm. We can use this information to calculate the angular degrees.

x = 1.000 m
y = 0.010 m
Θ = arctan(0.010/1) = 0.573°

So we calculate the radius again like this:
915.994 km = r * cos(0.573°)
915.994/cos(0.573) = r
r = 916.041

y = 916.041 * sin(0.573)
y = 9.161 km (5.7 mi)

So the diameter is about 11 1/2 miles, not the 10 miles I calculated earlier.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

There you go Billy Boy. Maybe you should put the crackpipe down eh...

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

And all you can do is to quote secular sources? These people are in the thrall of Satan, who would have you believe lies!

[praisescience]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

And all you can do is to quote secular sources? These people are in the thrall of Satan, who would have you believe lies!

Thanks for the input. You're helping resolve this one. Maybe you should leave it to the big boys.

Also, those secular sources have spent their entire lives working out all of the facts and figures that the sane part of the world trust. Pastor Billy Bill Bill Bill spent about 15 minutes working out his incredibly stupid 'proof' after a day sucking his meth pipe.

[GOD=life]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Also, those secular sources have spent their entire lives working out all of the facts and figures that the sane part of the world trust.

And yet, here you are, choosing to be among people you consider to be trying to defend your own position. Maybe you have some self-esteem issues?

Pastor Billy Bill Bill Bill spent about 15 minutes working out his incredibly stupid 'proof' after a day sucking his meth pipe.

Immature personal attack. Once again, the atheist shows that if he does not instantly get his way, he will throw a fit and go into attack mode.

Tell me, do you play video games by any chance?

[praisescience]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I love video games, am a man of science and I have only just found out about this thread in the last half an hour.
It is not as though I am spending every waking moment on this site.

Haha, self esteem issues... Please. Isn't that why you are born again or saved? Life was terrible, didn't feel like life was worth living, found the church and god made you feel good about yourself again?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

OK, just because I didn't personally establish the proof of how long it takes light to reach earth from the sun doesn't mean it isn't right.

You made the assertion, so it is up to you to prove it. I'm not going to accept it just on the say-so of some foulmouthed kid on the internet.

The sun's surface temperature is about 5500C or 5800K. You, Pastor have yourself given a link leading to this information. If we were 600 miles away, where would all the heat have gone over that distance? We would be incredibly hot, our planet would be uninhabitable.

Have you ever noticed that the further you stand away from a fire, the less heat you feel? Heat, like other forms of energy, dissipates over distance. Isaac Newton wrote about that when he came up with the laws of thermodynamics. Maybe you have heard of him?

It seems odd that you pick and choose certain scientific points to prove your ridiculous theory.

You keep asserting that it's ridiculous, but I don't see you pointing out anything that's actually wrong with it. Have you read the whole thread yet? Did you see the proof based on trigonometry? Please refrain from making any more stupid, redundant comments until you have read the whole thread.

There you go Billy Boy. Maybe you should put the crackpipe down eh...

Where did I say 600 meters in that post?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Kengen Yo]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

If you had paid attention when you read the original post in this thread, you should have been able to infer the law from where I applied it. If you don't have the high school math ability to do that, then I'm not sure that restating it here would help you.

Anyway, Wein's Displacement Law states that the wavelength distribution peaks at a value that is inversely proportional to the temperature:

λ(max) = (2.9 * 10^-3) / T

Ideas should be evaluated on their own merits, not based on whatever formal qualifications an idea's presenter might or might not have. If you insist otherwise, then you are engaging in the logical fallacy known as "Argument ad Hominem" -- I'm not a professional scientist, therefore my scientific conclusions are automatically invalid. I suppose doing so anyway makes it much easier for you. You don't have to do the hard work of thinking for yourself if can dismiss my work out of hand without making an effort to understand it.

If THAT was the heart of your post, then your post had no heart.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Do not insult me pastor, just support your claim. I am not going to be flame-baited. That is a formula that most would learn in chemistry class, but it is not a required course, so not everyone takes it, and those that do take it do not always pay attention. So assuming that everyone knows what you are talking about

And this gives you what color it should be how?

I am not engaging in a logical fallacy, I am asking you why your theory should be taken over the research done by people who have studied and worked for years to obtain their answers. And again, do not insult me pastor. That is the logical fallacy of Poisoning the Well, attacking the person in attempt make people disregard their argument. I know my logical fallacies as well, Pastor.

Instead of avoiding giving me an answer and simply insulting me, give me a reason why your work is better than that of scientists (including Christian ones) who say that the sun is much farther away than that.

[GOD=life]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I am not engaging in a logical fallacy, I am asking you why your theory should be taken over the research done by people who have studied and worked for years to obtain their answers.

Fallacy of Authority

• Recognition: Everyone recognizes the person as an authority, therefore what he says must be true.
• Production: The person has done a great deal of authoritative work, therefore he must be an authority.
• Power: The person is powerful and successful, therefore he speaks with authority, if only by virtue of his position.
• Need implies Have: I have the need to do it, therefore I have the (legal) authority to do it (Necesse ergo praesto). Basis for legal doctrine of "inherent" powers.

Nope, no fallacy there...

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Kengen-Yo, Can I call you Ken? Marvelous!

Ken, so many of your posts contain the wording 'logical fallacy' do you just cut and paste the BS around it? If color is involved, you get all worked up. Why is that Ken? All you do is attempt to spin words and never, not once, have you provided any sort of proof to back up your bizarra and quite frankly twisted ideas. It is really quite upsetting to normal folk to be near a person such as yourself.

[praisescience]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Sorry, miles.

The sun is 569 miles away in your opinion. I can't be arsed arguing with you morons. Tell me though, in your almighty wisdom how far away the moon is from earth. How big you think it is, if the sun is bigger etc.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Do not insult me pastor,

Where did I insult you, friend?

And this gives you what color it should be how?

We have the wavelength, and colors are defined in terms of their wavelength. Yellow, for example, is defined as light with a wavelength between 570 and 590 nm.

I am not engaging in a logical fallacy, I am asking you why your theory should be taken over the research done by people who have studied and worked for years to obtain their answers.

Why shouldn't it be? Why shouldn't the competing theories be evaluated on their own merits, without regard to who presented them?

And again, do not insult me pastor. That is the logical fallacy of Poisoning the Well, attacking the person in attempt make people disregard their argument. I know my logical fallacies as well, Pastor.

Yes, you seem to be a master of them.

If I catch you engaging in a logical fallacy, and I point it out, how is that "Poisoning the Well"? Poisoning the well is when you ridicule something prior to beginning a discussion on it.

Instead of avoiding giving me an answer and simply insulting me, give me a reason why your work is better than that of scientists (including Christian ones) who say that the sun is much farther away than that.

How about instead, you tell me what specifically is wrong with what I have said, rather than Appealing to the Authority of those other scientists?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[praisescience]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Good work Ken. I like where you're coming from.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Sorry, miles.

The sun is 569 miles away in your opinion. I can't be arsed arguing with you mormons.

How is it merely "my opinion" if I have given facts and figures based on observation and established scientific laws?

Tell me though, in your almighty wisdom how far away the moon is from earth. How big you think it is, if the sun is bigger etc.

Again I must insist that you please the whole thread.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[praisescience]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You didn't answer my question about the moon. How far away is it etc? Please answer this as I feel it would contradict your 'facts' about the suns distance. I would hate for the people at nasa to be put out of a job because you are clearly so unbelivably smart.