[Nobar King]

Re: Science and Religion

I see where this is going. We've had this argument before with the atheists.

Estudent: How much information do you need for this side of your argument? Is it only going to be a paragraph or a page?

[ETHICSTUDENT]

Re: Science and Religion

and i am not questioning that, nor would i have any right to question it.

But as i said in my previous post and my origional post, i need some sort of proof or opinion with which to counter the proofs and opinions of Evolution.

Say, for instance, that a TV crew came to [Landover?] you house, and asked you to explain Creationism to them, so that they could show the video to school children, how would you.

how would you build on, 'i have faith'?

thanks.

[ETHICSTUDENT]

Re: Science and Religion

I see where this is going. We've had this argument before with the atheists.

Estudent: How much information do you need for this side of your argument? Is it only going to be a paragraph or a page?

Thank you Nobar, i was begining to see the start of the slippery slope.

I wont be sectioning my work into a paragraph on Creationism, i will be using your opninions throughout my work. Please dont think of this as just giving me enough information to do my report, use it as a portal through which to explain the basis of your faith to anyone who reads it, and then i will take any information i feel relevant and use it.

By the way, i feel honoured that my thread has achived bold status. wow.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Science and Religion

Ge:1:1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[…]
Re:22:21: The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

I think that sums it all up. OK, stuff happens in the middle and you need to read an understand that bit. However, the advantage is that once you do understand it all, then there is no reason to know anything else.

[JennyD]

Re: Science and Religion

Here's some advice for you, Mr. Jackkkkkkkassss Part II:

If you want to ask serious questions of us, define your questions and ask them. Don't simply ask, "what are your beliefs"?

We're Christians. We believe what the Bible says. If you want to know what we believe, try starting with Genesis.

Read the Creation Science section. We're not here to do your homework for you.

Also, learn how to spell "atheist". Look at the etymology of the word. "A- theist", having no gods. Not "athi- est", or the "most athi", whatever that would mean.

[ETHICSTUDENT]

Re: Science and Religion

Here's some advice for you, Mr. Jackkkkkkkassss Part II:

If you want to ask serious questions of us, define your questions and ask them. Don't simply ask, "what are your beliefs"?

We're Christians. We believe what the Bible says. If you want to know what we believe, try starting with Genesis.

Read the Creation Science section. We're not here to do your homework for you.

Also, learn how to spell "atheist". Look at the etymology of the word. "A- theist", having no gods. Not "athi- est", or the "most athi", whatever that would mean.

I do understand the etymology of the word, from the greek, theos. Unfortuantely my typing doesn't.

As i said before in this thread, I can find out what you belive, and perhaps why you belive it, from reading the bible. I, however, am not passionate about the bible [i dont mean that in a disrespectful way], so i would like to add the fire that is in your belief to the passion that is my acceptance.

Also, i dont really understand your first comment, but thank you for helping me.

[ETHICSTUDENT]

Re: Science and Religion

Ge:1:1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[…]
Re:22:21: The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

I think that sums it all up. OK, stuff happens in the middle and you need to read an understand that bit. However, the advantage is that once you do understand it all, then there is no reason to know anything else.

Did you look those up, or do you know them off the top of your head?
One of the major problems for me is having to find bible quotes to back up the opinions of people; would you happen to know any that specifically say that Evolution is incorrect? Or any that may suggest otherwise?

Thank you for giving me your knowledge of the scripture, it is invaluble, and i know that you hold the bible in the highest regard, but what other proof do you have?

Whenever i re-read these posts they all sound so patronising, i asure you that they are not designed to be, and i hope that i take nothing away from your holy book when i ask for alternative proofs.

[Nobar King]

Re: Science and Religion

I'm done helping you. All the information you seek is here or somewhere else on google. Good bye for now.

[JennyD]

Re: Science and Religion

Did you look those up, or do you know them off the top of your head?
One of the major problems for me is having to find bible quotes to back up the opinions of people; would you happen to know any that specifically say that Evolution is incorrect? Or any that may suggest otherwise?

Go here:

www.biblegateway.com

Read the first five chapters of Genesis. It should take you less than 10 minutes.

God created everything. That means that it didn't evolve from mud.

Microevolution -- within a genus -- is accepted. Dog breeding is one prime example. This is exactly what Darwin supported.

If you bothered to read "On the Origin of Species" before writing a paper on evolution, you'd know that Darwin never suggested that evolution explained life "evolving" from raw chemicals, which came from an explosion of nothing into something.

Macroevolution -- a fish "evolving" into a dog -- is not accepted by Christians.

[ETHICSTUDENT]

Re: Science and Religion

Go here:

www.biblegateway.com

Read the first five chapters of Genesis. It should take you less than 10 minutes.

God created everything. That means that it didn't evolve from mud.

Microevolution -- within a genus -- is accepted. Dog breeding is one prime example. This is exactly what Darwin supported.

If you bothered to read "On the Origin of Species" before writing a paper on evolution, you'd know that Darwin never suggested that evolution explained life "evolving" from raw chemicals, which came from an explosion of nothing into something.

Macroevolution -- a fish "evolving" into a dog -- is not accepted by Christians.

thank you so much; this is exactly the kind of thing i am looking for:

shades of grey within the two subject areas, and the differences between them.

However, i have read Genesis, and On the Origin of Species; i would be foolish to try and write a report without doing so.

[JennyD]

Re: Science and Religion

thank you so much; this is exactly the kind of thing i am looking for:

shades of grey within the two subject areas, and the differences between them.

However, i have read Genesis, and On the Origin of Species; i would be foolish to try and write a report without doing so.

Then why are you claiming that Darwin denied God's existence and believed that all life came from an explosion of nothing into something?

[ETHICSTUDENT]

Re: Science and Religion

I'm done helping you. All the information you seek is here or somewhere else on google. Good bye for now.

Thank you Nobar; i was pleasantly suprised by your willingness to help me, and your ability to not let our conflicting views hinder us.

You have been very helpfull. [And thank you for helping me with my latin;p]

[ETHICSTUDENT]

Re: Science and Religion

Then why are you claiming that Darwin denied God's existence and believed that all life came from an explosion of nothing into something?

I dont think that i did; i happen to know that darwin was a highly devout man who delayed the pubishing of his book because he thought it would be damaging to his faith.

Im also not claiming anything on this forum, just asking you to claim things.

[JennyD]

Re: Science and Religion

I dont think that i did; i happen to know that darwin was a highly devout man who delayed the pubishing of his book because he thought it would be damaging to his faith.

Im also not claiming anything on this forum, just asking you to claim things.

Then why put evolution AGAINST creationism? Why not show how they work together?

And you still haven't asked us an actual question.

[ETHICSTUDENT]

Re: Science and Religion

I asked it, because that is the exam question which i have been set:

Discuss the conflict Between Science and Religion with reference to Evolution and Creationism.

The issue is not with Creationism or Evolution, it is just that, in my opinion, the confict being asked in the question is more pronounced between Evolution and Creationism than any other topic; others on this site call it Evilution.

"Creationists ask if people believe in evolution. Evolution is a theory and a fact. You accept it because of the evidence. What the creationists have done is put a cloak of pseudo-science to wrap up their religious belief."

James Williams, a lecturer at Sussex University


you asked for a question: how do you react to that quote? Is it a fair analysis, or is it putting all Creationists into one box?

Also, do you have an official position within the church? Not that it matters, just so i can give you your full title should i quote you in an essay.

thank you.