[JennyD]

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others on this site call it Evilution.

That is because evolutionists claim the Bible is false.

They often then claim that they are Christian and believe in God, while denying that the Bible is true. This confuses people, who then think they can have both.

God is all or nothing.

"Creationists ask if people believe in evolution. Evolution is a theory and a fact. You accept it because of the evidence. What the creationists have done is put a cloak of pseudo-science to wrap up their religious belief."

James Williams, a lecturer at Sussex University

Which is it? A theory, or a fact?

Does Mr. Williams not know the difference?

There is ample evidence of micro-evolution. We agree with that. Look at the black/white moths case study. (I'll let you dig that up.)

There is limited evidence of macro-evolution. Never once have the so-called "missing links" been found, for example. How is something a "fact" when you don't have full evidence?

Further, if monkeys evolved into humans through "natural selection", why is it there are still monkeys co-existing with humans, where they supposedly "evolved"? If the human was superior, why did the monkey continue to persist? Does that not argue directly against the "natural selection" theory?

Finally, evolution (change in time within animal and plant species) is used by atheists like yourself to explain the origins of life. In no way has it ever been shown that life can arise spontaneously, but evolutionists are all-or-nothing. They claim that because a dog can be cross-bred with other dogs to create a new breed, or that the dominant coloration of a population of moths changes over time as those who match their surroundings survive or do not, that it means that several chemicals struck by lightning can create complex living organisms.

Where did the chemicals come from, and the lightning? Evolution has no explanation other than "a big explosion of something from nothing".

[ETHICSTUDENT]

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That is because evolutionists claim the Bible is false.

They often then claim that they are Christian and believe in God, while denying that the Bible is true. This confuses people, who then think they can have both.

God is all or nothing.


Which is it? A theory, or a fact?

Does Mr. Williams not know the difference?

There is ample evidence of micro-evolution. We agree with that. Look at the black/white moths case study. (I'll let you dig that up.)

There is limited evidence of macro-evolution. Never once have the so-called "missing links" been found, for example. How is something a "fact" when you don't have full evidence?

Further, if monkeys evolved into humans through "natural selection", why is it there are still monkeys co-existing with humans, where they supposedly "evolved"? If the human was superior, why did the monkey continue to persist? Does that not argue directly against the "natural selection" theory?

Finally, evolution (change in time within animal and plant species) is used by atheists like yourself to explain the origins of life. In no way has it ever been shown that life can arise spontaneously, but evolutionists are all-or-nothing. They claim that because a dog can be cross-bred with other dogs to create a new breed, or that the dominant coloration of a population of moths changes over time as those who match their surroundings survive or do not, that it means that several chemicals struck by lightning can create complex living organisms.

Where did the chemicals come from, and the lightning? Evolution has no explanation other than "a big explosion of something from nothing".

I suggest you watch a TV program that Sir David Attenborough made for the BBC called Darwin and the tree of life. It is probably on Youtube. It shows you evidence for missing links.

I am aware of the Black White moth case, and the reason why there are monkeys and humans co-existing is the same reason that there is grizzley bears and polar bears; the evolved in order to adapt to different conditions.

I have never read anywhere that evolutionists claimed that chemicals struck by lightning created life- wasnt that frankenstein? Anyway, the theory of evolution does not attempt to explain the birth of life, just its, ahem, evolution.

I belive that Dr. Williams was saying that it is something that you accept, rather than something you belive; a theory, and a fact, rather than a belief, and opinion.

Do you have a position within the church? Also, do you feel that the quote unfairly views all Creatonists as the same- trying to find science to back up their claims?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I suggest you watch a TV program that Sir David Attenborough made for the BBC called Darwin and the tree of life. It is probably on Youtube. It shows you evidence for missing links.

No, this merely shows lies designed to turn people from God.

I am aware of the Black White moth case, and the reason why there are monkeys and humans co-existing is the same reason that there is grizzley bears and polar bears; the evolved in order to adapt to different conditions.

Rubbish! God made them like that and Adam named them.

I have never read anywhere that evolutionists claimed that chemicals struck by lightning created life- wasnt that frankenstein?

No it wasn’t but I’m glad to see your young mind is not totally corrupted with the evil of secular science

Anyway, the theory of evolution does not attempt to explain the birth of life, just its, ahem, evolution.

…and it doesn’t do it as well as the Bible.

Do you have a position within the church?

Kneeling before Christ.

Also, do you feel that the quote unfairly views all Creatonists as the same

No, they are not the same, none of them agree. They all have their own “theories”

trying to find science to back up their claims?

No, they are enemies of God bent on the work of the devil.
1Tm:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

[ETHICSTUDENT]

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Thank you Ezekiel Bathfire, and although i can see you are very strong in your faith, could you re-write the same message as if you were preaching to the uniniated? There is nothing in there that i can quote in an essay. Maybe you could just build upin what you said?

[Star Finder]

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You really are a bloody idiot damned to beg for crusts of bread outside the great hall of heros in the afterlife..

As an Athiest, i firmly belive that Evolution is the most credible theory for the birth of life

TWIT! you don't even know your own heathen ideology. Abiogenesis is your crackpot theory for the beginning of life NOT evolution. gah!

If you were to draw the line X-Y, you would mark 3 points on the graph

NO you stupid git! you would mark TWO points with a line named XY. Mr smarty farty pants pooped his pants.

to explain the basis of your faith to anyone who reads it, and then i will take any information i feel relevant and twist and distort it to make you look bad and stupid because that's how I roll.

Well you are a cheeky mf I'd say that for sure.

And thank you for helping me with my latin

Latin!? Your homo greek butt is spreading in the wind you moron!

[JennyD]

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Thank you Ezekiel Bathfire, and although i can see you are very strong in your faith, could you re-write the same message as if you were preaching to the uniniated? There is nothing in there that i can quote in an essay. Maybe you could just build upin what you said?

Now I get it. You're here to see if you can find ridiculous quotes you can use to poke fun at us.

Later, punk.

(Thanks, Star Finder, for translating from "atheist God-mocker" to English.)

[Nobar King]

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Won't his teacher be surprised when she googles his paper and finds he stole references from here.

Can we just call her and warn her?

[Once was lost]

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Why are some people just destined to burn in Hell?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Why are some people just destined to burn in Hell?

Because God wants it that way! Glory!!

"God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned." -- 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation." -- Jude 4

[Cranky Peter]

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ETHICSTUDENT:

Im sorry you all think that i am trying to make you into some kind of joke.

I detest Dawkins and Wilson etc because their books are just mediums through which to spout their own opinions, rather than give a detailed study of the subject.

My point 'Mr Smarty Farty', was that if you draw one line with only 2 points, if one of the points is wrong, your line is wrong, whereas if you draw 3, you can be sure that the line is correct. This is basic maths.

It is interesting that most of you were civil towards me before he joined the thread; sudenly because he makes up a fake quote about me, you all belive that i am making a joke.

As for the latin, Nobar kindly picked me up on a spelling error; it doesnt mean that i am gay, thank you.

Also Nobar, i belive that a man of your intellect should realise that i wont be ripping my essay verbatim of of this website- how could i, that would hardly be objective. Quoting philosophers and theologians is perfectly acceptable, but it seems that the only theologian here with a position in the church can only say that his BENEVOLENT god jsut randomly want people to go to hell.

I hope that, if you take anything from this, you will realise the reason why you are made into pariahs in the press; you cannot be civil to people with conflicting beliefs to yours; i can get on fine with muslims, hindus, gay, straight, anyone- i might not like what they stand for, but i can at least talk to them without thinking that they will twist my words and make me look stupid.

You might think that i am an 'Atheist God -Mocker', but i have tried very hard to not offend you on this website, considering i am (was?) a guest in your religious website. I am under no illusion that you would grant me the same respect on an Atheist forum.

No-one but the examiner and my teacher would ever see this essay- it would not have been in my interest to make you look stupid, i was just trying to find Creationist opinions from people who are not 300 years old, like the christian philosophers i can quote from today.

I hope that your twisted opinions of me, Star Finder, help to boost your already poor rating with this site. I find it ironic that he has a worse rating than me, but is not banned.

Whilst i understand that, for most of the time, you are 'preaching to the converted' in Landover, surely you must realise the importance of debate, if only to further your own ideas.

This thread had been achiveing so much- i felt that, through the contributions by JennyD, Nobar, and, to an extent, Bathfire, i was starting to collect relevant information and opinions, and my personal feelings about extremistic christians were beggining to mellow. Im afraid that Star Finder, and people like him, are the people who are making Creationists look stupid.

I feel that my treatment here was unjustified; i am not the worst atheist on this formum by no means, and i did not make you, or ask you at all to question your faith.

Thank you, all of you who helped me. I feel sorry for those of you who feel so insecure in your convictions that you cannot debate them with me.

I will still post the final draft of my work on this thread.

[Brother Lazarus]

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Thank you, all of you who helped me. I feel sorry for those of you who feel so insecure in your convictions that you cannot debate them with me.

I will still post the final draft of my work on this thread.

You want to debate but you are too stupid to understand what the faithful here have been telling you. THERE IS NOTHING TO DEBATE! Everything we need to know is in the KJV1611 Bible. How's THAT for security in conviction! You on the other hand have no convictions at all. The Bible is the infallible WORD OF GOD. What part of that do you not understand? For some one that is snerty enought to want to come across as educated, you're pretty stupid. You'd better serve yourself by reading the Bible and understand that every single word of it is true. Jesus died to save your soul. You can either accept HIM as your Savior or end up in HELL!

Put THAT is your silly paper.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Cranky Peter]

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ETHICSTUDENT:

You want to debate but you are too stupid to understand what the faithful here have been telling you. THERE IS NOTHING TO DEBATE! Everything we need to know is in the KJV1611 Bible. How's THAT for security in conviction! You on the other hand have no convictions at all. The Bible is the infallible WORD OF GOD. What part of that do you not understand? For some one that is snerty enought to want to come across as educated, you're pretty stupid. You'd better serve yourself by reading the Bible and understand that every single word of it is true. Jesus died to save your soul. You can either accept HIM as your Savior or end up in HELL!

Put THAT is your silly paper.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

If you cannot debate your convictions with me in a structured debate, then you are not secure in them. Just Blindly yelling that the bible is the truth does not make your convictions strong, but if you can prove to me why it is true, or argue the reasons why it should be, then you are secure in your faith.

It doesnt have to be a silly paper, it is just that no-one here has convinced me well enough in order to turn my bias from Evolution to Creationism.

[Brother Lazarus]

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ETHICSTUDENT:



If you cannot debate your convictions with me in a structured debate, then you are not secure in them. Just Blindly yelling that the bible is the truth does not make your convictions strong, but if you can prove to me why it is true, or argue the reasons why it should be, then you are secure in your faith.

It doesnt have to be a silly paper, it is just that no-one here has convinced me well enough in order to turn my bias from Evolution to Creationism.

No one is Yelling that the Bible is Truth, but the fact is it IS the Truth. There is NO debating it. If you need to debate you are unsaved trash. God will Damn you to Hell. You want proof? All you need to do is get a KJV1611 and read it. You can either accept it, let the Blood of Jesus Save you, and become a member of The Landover Baptist Chrurh, or you can go to Hell. It is NOT up to anyone here to make an argument to convince you. It is up to YOU to ask Jesus' forgiveness. All your snerty desire to debate will not get you into heaven. There is not one True Christian here that is not secure in his or her beliefs. If you want to "debate" go back to your Godless school and debate the other unsaved trash. It won't do you any good. You are damned to Hell unless you follow the guidances offered here on God's own forum.

You can put THAT in your silly paper.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Nobar King]

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THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH!!!

[Star Finder]

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Look Petey. I called you a homo because you type like a homo! Is that clear enough for you?

and its you who don't know how the world was created. I do!

"The sons of Bor then carried Ymir to the middle of Ginnungagap and made the world from him. From his blood they made the sea and the lakes; from his flesh the earth; from his hair the trees; and from his bones the mountains. They made rocks and pebbles from his teeth and jaws and those bones that were broken"

It was created by the sons fo Bor and if you can't understand that I sure you will be burried under tons of snow and forgotten.

Put that in your dumb paper! (not even good for wiping butt as is nothing but electrons and not real paper.)