The Truth

[Jesusdied4rsins]

I believe that God is not real, if he is, he has abandoned us all long ago. He has a fiery pity of molten lava and fire where if you sin and are not sorry for it, you will go there, but he still loves you. If god loves us would he not remove the evil that plagues the earth? Is he willing, but not able? Then he can not save us. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he able and willing? Then why are we not living in peace yet? Is he both unable and unwilling? Then why do we call him God? People, who are you to say that another religion is incorrect, or that gays are lesser humans? "God" (in quotes because he did not write the Bible, other people wrote the Bible about stories that happened in relation to God.

If the stories are true, then our world would be much, much more different. So Noah really took one of every species onto his enormous boat? False other wise we would only have a handful of different animals on earth, unless they evolved unbelievably quick. Ah, yes evolution. Looked down on by so many Christians. Always pointing out how evolution is a theory not fact. Well, do you also believe that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth? Because the world being round and the earth revolving around the sun is a theory as well.

Who are you to hate Muslims, Jews, Hindus or maybe even Buddhists? If your God gave you your holy book, did their God not give them theirs? Can you go to a Muslim and prove to him that his God (same God as the Christian God) does not exist? How can you disprove anything if you can not prove your own side? I do not believe in the Christian God, but i do believe that there is some sort of higher power. If i live a good life, which i probably already am considering you all persecute to no extent.

If God created the human race, did he not create all other races? Then why discriminate against God's creations? In the Bible is states that men with long hair should be shamed, but wait. Did Jesus not have long hair?

This has all been typed out, and to no avail. I know that there is no getting through to you all so I'm done. I will leave with these final words.

Have you no dignity? Try and be Open-minded for once in your "God-blessed" life.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: The Truth

I believe that God is not real, if he is, he has abandoned us all long ago. He has a fiery pity of molten lava and fire where if you sin and are not sorry for it, you will go there, but he still loves you. If god loves us would he not remove the evil that plagues the earth? Is he willing, but not able? Then he can not save us. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he able and willing? Then why are we not living in peace yet? Is he both unable and unwilling? Then why do we call him God? People, who are you to say that another religion is incorrect, or that gays are lesser humans? "God" (in quotes because he did not write the Bible, other people wrote the Bible about stories that happened in relation to God.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

If the stories are true, then our world would be much, much more different. So Noah really took one of every species onto his enormous boat? False other wise we would only have a handful of different animals on earth, unless they evolved unbelievably quick. Ah, yes evolution. Looked down on by so many Christians. Always pointing out how evolution is a theory not fact. Well, do you also believe that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth? Because the world being round and the earth revolving around the sun is a theory as well.

You put forward theories, we have the Truth.

Who are you to hate Muslims, Jews, Hindus or maybe even Buddhists? If your God gave you your holy book, did their God not give them theirs? Can you go to a Muslim and prove to him that his God (same God as the Christian God) does not exist? How can you disprove anything if you can not prove your own side? I do not believe in the Christian God, but i do believe that there is some sort of higher power. If i live a good life, which i probably already am considering you all persecute to no extent.

2 Chron. 15:13: That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

If God created the human race, did he not create all other races? Then why discriminate against God's creations?

God killed thousands because they were of the wrong tribe. His Word is not to be questioned

In the Bible is states that men with long hair should be shamed, but wait. Did Jesus not have long hair?

Have you seen a picture of Jesus done during His stay on Earth? No, troll, you haven't.

This has all been typed out, and to no avail. I know that there is no getting through to you all so I'm done. I will leave with these final words.

Have you no dignity? Try and be Open-minded for once in your "God-blessed" life.

I sometimes wonder why I bother... Yet the need to save souls presses me hard.

[Jesusdied4rsins]

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Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

You put forward theories, we have the Truth.

2 Chron. 15:13: That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

God killed thousands because they were of the wrong tribe. His Word is not to be questioned Have you seen a picture of Jesus done during His stay on Earth? No, troll, you haven't.

I sometimes wonder why I bother... Yet the need to save souls presses me hard.

1) you can not quote god when trying to prove his existence. it is completely redundant as is no credible source of information to your argument.

2) so you do believe that the world is flat and the sun revolves around the world. i assume you own a time machine because no person from this time period would believe that

3) so God created people just to kill them since he made them of the wrong tribe? then god IS a malevolent being. but why have i not been killed yet by god?

4) so I assume that you have seen a picture of Jesus yourself otherwise you would not being telling me he did not. how about using your time machine to go back in time and tell people to stop depicting Jesus with long hair. or better yet go back even further and check for yourself.

5) http://www.defango.com/image/demotivation/bible.png

pretty much sums up the bible

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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1) you can not quote god when trying to prove his existence. it is completely redundant as is no credible source of information to your argument.

Why not? If I asked you, Billy, can you prove you are here? You say "Yea". I say "How do I know?", you reply: "Because I'm talking to you right now."

See, that's the same thing as the Bible. God is speaking to you in it. God is showing you Himself. You believe that I, Rev Jim are here? You believe my existence? Why because you can see me writing to you. Do you not owe God the same?

2) so you do believe that the world is flat and the sun revolves around the world. i assume you own a time machine because no person from this time period would believe that

Where are you getting this from? No one is talking about flat Earths or time machines.

3) so God created people just to kill them since he made them of the wrong tribe? then god IS a malevolent being. but why have i not been killed yet by god?

Why hasn't God killed you yet? Perhaps the same reason why you are here, talking to us Billy. So that you can accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior before you die. If this God is so malevolent, why is He gracious enough and forgiving enough for a sinner like you to keep on living? That is a truly awesome God! Don't you feel humble about that?

Billy, you've come to right place to accept Christ as your Savior. You didn't come here to argue or put us down, you came here to reveal your outmoded, stilted thinking so that we can show you the clear path.

4) so I assume that you have seen a picture of Jesus yourself otherwise you would not being telling me he did not. how about using your time machine to go back in time and tell people to stop depicting Jesus with long hair. or better yet go back even further and check for yourself.

What's with these time machines? No, Jesus did not have long hair, despite popular depiction. Here is an excellent Landover article on why he didn't: Jesus Had Short Hair. It should answer your questions.

5) http://www.defango.com/image/demotivation/bible.png

pretty much sums up the bible

So you are a 4chan troll then? I heard that Billy Mays has developed quite the cult following on 4chan's /b/. In fact, you have developed such an unnatural fixation on him you believe that his death was a sacrifice for your sins! WRONG! Only Jesus Christ is the lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world.

Christ's blood washes your sins away...not Oxy-Clean(tm)

[Jesusdied4rsins]

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Why not? If I asked you, Billy, can you prove you are here? You say "Yea". I say "How do I know?", you reply: "Because I'm talking to you right now."

See, that's the same thing as the Bible. God is speaking to you in it. God is showing you Himself. You believe that I, Rev Jim are here? You believe my existence? Why because you can see me writing to you. Do you not owe God the same?



Where are you getting this from? No one is talking about flat Earths or time machines.



Why hasn't God killed you yet? Perhaps the same reason why you are here, talking to us Billy. So that you can accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior before you die. If this God is so malevolent, why is He gracious enough and forgiving enough for a sinner like you to keep on living? That is a truly awesome God! Don't you feel humble about that?

Billy, you've come to right place to accept Christ as your Savior. You didn't come here to argue or put us down, you came here to reveal your outmoded, stilted thinking so that we can show you the clear path.



What's with these time machines? No, Jesus did not have long hair, despite popular depiction. Here is an excellent Landover article on why he didn't: Jesus Had Short Hair. It should answer your questions.



So you are a 4chan troll then? I heard that Billy Mays has developed quite the cult following on 4chan's /b/. In fact, you have developed such an unnatural fixation on him you believe that his death was a sacrifice for your sins! WRONG! Only Jesus Christ is the lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world.

Christ's blood washes your sins away...not Oxy-Clean™

1) no you can not use the bible to prove god's existence. he did not write it himself. if you ask me if i am real and i say yes that is a viable source of info because i am physically contacting you.

2) read my first post? i mentioned it is stupid to call evolution false because it is a theory while those other 2 are also only theory. then the next person to quote me said that i bring theories and he brings truth.

3) god did not bring me here. some random internet guy (ironically his username is god, so techinally yes, god did send me here)

4) if god is such a gracious god why is there so much suffering in the world? i still continue to lose faith in the slightest possibility that there is some sort of higher power when ever i see a homeless person or a news report about america fighting a war.

5)no actually, i came here not to be saved, but hoping for a good religion based argument, so far im not satisfied but hey, better then my usually forums.

6) im sorry but i didn't read all that. im busy with some of my projects. so i really have no time. maybe another time.

7)no, no, and NO! i do not want to be associated with the cess pool of the internet. i have never gone there and never will, i merely saw that picture and thought it was a hilariously overexagerated compilation of my feelings towards the bible. also any exuse to use that pic is gonna be used by me since i just love reading that persons stupidity.

8) yeah, i wouldnt expect you to understand but billymaysdied4rsins is an inside joke. i do not hold him in that high of a regard although i do respect him for being damn well the best salesman ever

[Jesusdied4rsins]

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also oxy-clean doesnt wash away your sins, but it washes away pretty much anything else and thats good enough for me

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for anything you know. Arguing against God's existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while. You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them. These laws are not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose your guilt for denying Him.

There is a reason that you deny the existence of God and it has nothing to do with proof. I can show this to you. Do you think that you can continue to deny God because surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?' Did you ever try to come up with an alternate explanation on your own?

Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?

Please examine the real reason why you are running from God. It is my prayer that God will open your eyes and change your heart so that you may be saved from your sin, and embraced by His ferocious love.

[Jesusdied4rsins]

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Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for anything you know. Arguing against God's existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while. You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them. These laws are not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose your guilt for denying Him.

There is a reason that you deny the existence of God and it has nothing to do with proof. I can show this to you. Do you think that you can continue to deny God because surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?' Did you ever try to come up with an alternate explanation on your own?

Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?

Please examine the real reason why you are running from God. It is my prayer that God will open your eyes and change your heart so that you may be saved from your sin, and embraced by His ferocious love.

i do not believe i god because there is no way a being with such awesome power and that loves his creations so much would ever allow them to suffer, or to persecute his own creations.

P.S. yes, i have tried to come up with an alternate explantion

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: The Truth

i do not believe i god because there is no way a being with such awesome power and that loves his creations so much would ever allow them to suffer, or to persecute his own creations.

P.S. yes, i have tried to come up with an alternate explantion

I do find it interesting that someone with the username "God" directed you to this site. Doesn't that strike you as meaningful? More than a coincidence, I would say. This is God's way of showing you the truth through your friend.

Now it seems like what you have problems with is all the suffering in the world and why God allows evil, right? Fortunately, the Bible offers us an explanation for this!

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Look carefully at that quote. God forms light AND darkness. He makes peace AND creates evil. God is the source of everything. Now when you ask questions like "If there's a God, then why is there so much suffering in the world?" what you're actually doing is trying to change God to fit YOUR image. Who says if there is a God that He has to make Earth a happy, perfect place?

That is where Heaven comes in, the Kingdom of God. THIS is a place free of wars and poverty and disease. This is the side of God that loves humanity.

Now you're probably thinking: "Okay, why does God make Heaven wonderful but the Earth such a despicable place?". Well, fortunately God has offered you a ticket out of this world...through Jesus Christ. God so loved the world He gave His only begotten son so that we may have eternal life, John tells us. God loves us so much he is offering a chance to go to Heaven...which is perfect...as long as we accept Jesus Christ as Our Savior.

What is the alternative? Well, let's just say once you enter Hell you'll be dying to get back to the "miserable" Earth you complained about in your old life! Hell is seperation from God. Hell is sulfur and brimstone and lakes of fire where you get burned for eternity.

You see, it's all about your choice: Do you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior? If you do, God will reward you with Heaven. If you decline, you get sent to Hell. Seems to me that it's a pretty easy choice, don't you think?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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i do not believe i god because ...blah blah blah...

I do not believe you God either.

[InGodWeTrust]

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I believe that God is not real, if he is, he has abandoned us all long ago.

What about the Bible?
Where did we come from? Perhaps monkeys created us?
Silly athiest.

He has a fiery pity of molten lava and fire where if you sin and are not sorry for it, you will go there, but he still loves you.

He loves those who love him. You don't love him, therefore you'll rot in hell. I'm perfectly fine with that. Imagine yourself killing your own mother and father. Even the secular laws would put you in prison. Hell is the price you pay for abandoning Jesus.

If god loves us would he not remove the evil that plagues the earth?

You have free will. If you choose to be evil, it's your fault.

Is he willing, but not able? Then he can not save us. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he able and willing? Then why are we not living in peace yet? Is he both unable and unwilling? Then why do we call him God?

What? Have you ever read the Bible?

People, who are you to say that another religion is incorrect, or that gays are lesser humans?

We're not the ones claiming other religions are incorrect. God is the one who made us aware of the differences between our True religion, and other false ones. Guess that's too complicated for your monkey brain.

Always pointing out how evolution is a theory not fact.

It's not a theory, it's a lie.

Well, do you also believe that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth? Because the world being round and the earth revolving around the sun is a theory as well.

The heliocentric system is a law, not a theory. You even fail at atheistic science.

Who are you to hate Muslims, Jews, Hindus or maybe even Buddhists?

We don't. They're the ones who hate their creator.

[nonethanks]

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What about the Bible?
Where did we come from? Perhaps monkeys created us?
Silly athiest.


He loves those who love him. You don't love him, therefore you'll rot in hell. I'm perfectly fine with that. Imagine yourself killing your own mother and father. Even the secular laws would put you in prison. Hell is the price you pay for abandoning Jesus.


You have free will. If you choose to be evil, it's your fault.


What? Have you ever read the Bible?


We're not the ones claiming other religions are incorrect. God is the one who made us aware of the differences between our True religion, and other false ones. Guess that's too complicated for your monkey brain.


It's not a theory, it's a lie.


The heliocentric system is a law, not a theory. You even fail at atheistic science.



We don't. They're the ones who hate their creator.

You're so selfish, you can't even see beyond what you've been told to believe.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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You're so selfish, you can't even see beyond what you've been told to believe.

Selfish? How is he selfish? Did you just pick some random word out of the dictionary and apply it to him or something?

If you're going to contribute towards the discussion, at least come up with some arguments and points. The misguided OP, despite how stupid he was, at least attempted to put up a solid argument. You, on the other hand, just throw some baseless one-liner accusation out.

[nonethanks]

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Selfish? How is he selfish? Did you just pick some random word out of the dictionary and apply it to him or something?

If you're going to contribute towards the discussion, at least come up with some arguments and points. The misguided OP, despite how stupid he was, at least attempted to put up a solid argument. You, on the other hand, just throw some baseless one-liner accusation out.

I called him selfish because he seems unable to empathize with any idea foreign to him.

[InGodWeTrust]

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I called him selfish because he seems unable to empathize with any idea foreign to him.

What makes you think those ideas are foreign to me?