[JollyOldJoe]

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I am new to this site and looking to find my way. I dont understand why all you guys keep fighting over this and to see so much hatred hurts me. Why cant he compromise on this and just say God created the Big Bang?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I am new to this site and looking to find my way. I dont understand why all you guys keep fighting over this and to see so much hatred hurts me. Why cant he compromise on this and just say God created the Big Bang?

Because He didn't.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

[JollyOldJoe]

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I am just a poor lost soul who was forcefully raised Catholic by my family. I just hope one day for everyone to get along. But I dont feel welcomed here.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I am just a poor lost soul who was forcefully raised Catholic by my family. I just hope one day for everyone to get along. But I dont feel welcomed here.

Well that's because you're not. This is a Christian forum. Papists aren't Christians, silly!

[JollyOldJoe]

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That is why I am here. To rid myself of my Catholic sins and be born again a true Christian.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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That is why I am here. To rid myself of my Catholic sins and be born again a true Christian.

Well, this is a strange thread to begin that process in.


Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

[hot4god]

Re: 20 Questions For Evilutionists

I expect this will be deleted. But I assume that if you didn't care, you would not ask. So here goes.


1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

From the fracturing of higher dimensional space, and the constant fluctuations of quantum level "foam" or particle creation. Matter can come from noting. This is a theory. A Theory is deduction from a fact. Faith is making a fact from a deduction. Remember, in have faith, the burden of proof is on you. Not science. Science has proof, faith has conjecture.

2. Where did matter come from?
See above.

3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
Gravity is not a law. It is a force. In just asking this question, it shows no understanding of what physics is. Originally Gravity, Weak, Strong, and Electromagnetic forces were unified, but that lasted for 0.000000000000000000001 seconds. Either way. You read up and then I will explain.

4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?

Matter is not perfectly organized into proper geometric shapes unless at absolute zero. Until then, ie entropy of the universe where all stars have burned out etc, perhaps there will be "perfectly organized" matter. Otherwise the quantum uncertainty principle (the most tested ie most proved theory every created in all of science)

5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

The shrinking of higher dimensional space to a billion billion times smaller than the smallest electrons, and our higher 4 or 5 dimensions of XYZ time and possibly another, expanding.

6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

Carbon can give or take up to 4 electrons, allowing it to bond with itself through chemical processes, and therefore make very large molecular chains. These chains bound together into single celled organisms etc etc etc. It in no way says there was creation or not creation. Science does not disallow religion, why would religion disallow science.

7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

Not determinable unless through hallucinations created by your mind. A meteor? Primordial soup? And learn is an improper assumption. Reproduction is often the only purpose of life, take mayflies for example. Hence reproduction is a biological process not a learned skill (evolutionarily)

8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

RNA duplication through proteins. All based on carbon chains again. RNA is the predecessor to DNA.

9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

Want? Desire? All of these things attempt to derive a motivation that is based on chemical level. That is a rigged question and as unattainable as asking if God exists. The reason survival is so prevalent is survival long enough to reproduce. This question has so many fallacies I am again assuming a level of ignorance on the topic and will wait for reading to be done on your parts.

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

First chinese characters and english letters are not comparable to mutations within a set of 2 molecular pairs. DNA is Binary similar to the method you are on the internet right now. Also i would like to point out that if Science is so full of nonsense, then how are you using the internet right now? The internet is made by man... English and chinese are not binary... by any means. Complete logic fallacy.

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

You bet its possible, Aliens impregnated the earth with the first single celled organism for our evolutions. They are our creators..... Not really but once again, the CREATOR does not infer God , but could be anything from an object like a meteor or a more advanced alien race. You don't know, and I don't know. If you have faith, then the burden of proof is in your court not sciences.

12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

Once again, if you understood the concept of a turing machine, binary numbers, and recursive lambda calculus we could chat. Read up.

13. When, where, why, and how did

Firstly why is a moot point.... Why is never verifiable and therefore irrelevant.

As for when.. Without believing in carbon 14 dating I feel making any point will fall on deaf ears.

a. Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two and three-celled intermediates?)

They were most likely eaten. Hence evolution.

Why do people congregate in groups? Why do people build cities? What is a society? There is your answer.

b. Single-celled animals evolve?

The deaths of all the less fit to survive. Once again that whole eaten thing.

c. Fish change to amphibians?

Adaptions and that whole getting eaten part I mentioned.

d. Amphibians change to reptiles?

Food substances on land bring animals to a hybrid between land and see. Cite mudfish etc.


e. Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!)

This is the same silly argument that was put forth about the eye. Its so complex! Not really. Nothing our bodies do is really that complex individually, together its a very complex system. All about adaption, and dieing or being eaten.

f. How did the intermediate forms live?

They probably didn't very long. Hence why we are missing such a huge fossil record. (on top of the facts of the size of earth, sediment, tectonic shifts, ocean locations and all sorts of variables that would in turn produce different forms of adaption and death rates, and hence new genetic forms.)


14. When, where, why, how, and from what did:
a. Whales evolve?

These are questions that have not been answered yet. But will certainly have more evidence then faith when they do. You see its very hard to get fossil records from the bottom of the ocean........

b. Sea horses evolve?

Same faulted argument.

c. Bats evolve?


Same faulted argument.


d. Eyes evolve?

Same faulted argument. See above

e. Ears evolve?

Fish have sensors for water pressure difference... to which our ears are still filled with water at their core so that we can hear. Same faulty argument see above.
f. Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?


15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)?
a. The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body痴 resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?

Same faulted argument.

b. The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?


Same faulted argument. See above.

c. The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?


Same faulted argument. See above.

d. DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?

Same faulted argument. See above.

e. The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose?


Same faulted argument. See above.

f. The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?


Same faulted argument. See above.

g. The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?


Same faulted argument. See above.

h. The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?


Same faulted argument. See above.

i. The immune system or the need for it?

Same faulted argument. See above.


16. There are many thousands of examples of symbiosis that defy an evolutionary explanation. Why must we teach students that evolution is the only explanation for these relationships?


17. How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants and animals develop mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice, or by design?

Once again this a question of why. Science doesn't deal in motivations because they are relative and therefore irrelevant to knowledge.

18. When, where, why, and how did man evolve feelings? Love, mercy, guilt, etc. would never evolve in the theory of evolution.

Why do anti depressants work? Neuroscience is working on it. And it will be bringing facts when I reverse engineers memory and the like. Prove that animals don't have feelings. Burden of proof is on you.


19. How did photosynthesis evolve?

Fantastic question. What is the most available energy source to earth? The sun.


20. How did thought evolve?

How is asking these questions, instead of learning the answers not regressing it?

21. How did flowering plants evolve, and from what?

Adaption to surrounding climate and the face that wind birds bees etc can carry pollen further and therefore larger genetic mutations. Hence better adaption.

22. What kind of evolutionist are you? Why are you not one of the other eight or ten kinds?

I am a nihilist. I do not believe or care about anything.

23. What would you have said fifty years ago if I told you I had a living coelacanth in my aquarium?

How large is the ocean? Pray for a list of all the fish populations so we can know when things are extinct.


24. Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?

The theory of evolution, with all of its what I believe is called, Evidence, is only 200 years old.... If evolution is quick or slow who knows? But certainly 200 years is not enough time to come close to seeing evolution occur. But then again I also see on the forums a reference to how black people are supposedly looking like apes... That paper was published during the height of the civil rights movement and is completely biggotted. And also proves that for your faiths it appears that evolution is fine when we are talking about how un evolved black people are, but not when we talk about "God's people". This a sign of faulty logic.

25. What is so scientific about the idea of hydrogen gas becoming human?

LOL

Science was created when with the earth being discovered to revolve around the earth, that indeed there was something missing. So science set out to prove for the church how god worked in the world. The scientific method was created by the religious to find the truth about gods magnificents... Yet today...

26. Do you honestly believe that everything came from nothing?

I believe that we are all nothing right this very instant. Please produce evidence to the contrary that is verifiable by me.


After you have answered the preceding questions, please look carefully at your answers and thoughtfully consider the following questions.


1. Are you sure your answers are reasonable, right, and scientifically provable, or do you just believe that it may have happened the way you have answered? (Do these answers reflect your religion or your science?)

I believe in neither science or religion. But i do believe in truth, and science has amassed a whole lot more with evidence.


2. Do your answers show more or less faith than the person who says, "God must have designed it"?

I have no faith in anything but my only purpose in existence is to die.

3. Is it possible that an unseen Creator designed this universe? If God is excluded at the beginning of the discussion by your definition of science, how could it be shown that He did create the universe if He did?

Sure. But I highly doubt it would care about this rock.

4. Is it wise and fair to present the theory of evolution to students as fact?

Fair? That is relative on the observer. Does it hurt them? Yes. Do you appear to care about your child's adaptiveness in the world? No.

5. What is the end result of a belief in evolution (lifestyle, society, attitude about others, eternal destiny, etc.)?

I have no idea. Human constructed dogma is religions department of expertise.

6. Do people accept evolution because of the following factors?

Cant answer these.

a. It is all they have been taught.
b. They like the freedom from God (no moral absolutes, etc.).
c. They are bound to support the theory for fear of losing their job or status or grade point average.
d. They are too proud to admit they are wrong.
e. Evolution is the only philosophy that can be used to justify their political agenda.


7. Should we continue to use outdated, disproved, questionable, or inconclusive evidences to support the theory of evolution because we don't have a suitable substitute (Piltdown man, recapitulation, archaeopteryx, Lucy, Java man, Neanderthal man, horse evolution, vestigial organs, etc.)?

Do we still teach newtonian gravity to student as opposed to einsteins theory. Yes, why? Because new scientific theories always work within the previous ones. Only religion requires all the others to be wrong.

8. Should parents be allowed to require that evolution not be taught as fact in their school system unless equal time is given to other theories of origins (like divine creation)?

Part of the job of parents is to make their children better than themselves. But ignorance will always hinder that. Either way, parents job to dictate and observer what they believe their child needs. I personally would not make my child intentionally ignorant.


9. What are you risking if you are wrong? As one of my debate opponents said, "Either there is a God or there is not. Both possibilities are frightening."


10. Why are many evolutionists afraid of the idea of creationism being presented in public schools? If we are not supposed to teach religion in schools, then why not get evolution out of the textbooks? It is just a religious worldview.


11. Aren't you tired of faith in a system that cannot be true? Wouldn't it be great to know the God who made you, and to accept His love and forgiveness?

I have no faith in any system. My life is true actualization of my will, and I validate my own existence. So in short, lol no.


12. Would you be interested, if I showed you from the Bible, how to have your sins forgiven and how to know for sure that you are going to Heaven? If so, click on the Paypal button at the bottom of this screen.

Would you be interested in my showing you a few things in the bible? I have read it start to finish, and found many many many many inconsistencies.

[hot4god]

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As a side personal note,

I just noticed you have the punching queers award....

What would Jesus say to that? The same thing as muhammed?

[Lisa H]

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I expect this will be deleted. But I assume that if you didn't care, you would not ask. So here goes.
...

God created everything. Read Genesis for all your answers.

[hot4god]

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God created everything. Read Genesis for all your answers.

Firstly, that's the first line. Did you read the rest? If not, just read the last line about how yes, I have read the 5 major versions of the bible side by side start to finish. Have you?

Second, if I am going to read Genesis it is going to be from Torah. The book it was taken from. And I'm going to read it in Hebrew, not the retranslated translated versions.

Thirdly, if you have any legit logic based questions I would be happy to answer them to my best ability.

[Lisa H]

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Firstly, that's the first line. Did you read the rest? If not, just read the last line about how yes, I have read the 5 major versions of the bible side by side start to finish. Have you?

Second, if I am going to read Genesis it is going to be from Torah. The book it was taken from. And I'm going to read it in Hebrew, not the retranslated translated versions.

Thirdly, if you have any legit logic based questions I would be happy to answer them to my best ability.

I did read your very, very, long post. If you noticed I put ... under the quote to show there is more text. As per writing standards.

I have read the King James Bible, the only true Bible.

[cthulhuschosen]

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Lord Cthulhu cares not of the trivialities that is you unable to understand that which your feeble mind is unable to comprehend.

[hot4god]

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Your perception is that the King James version is the "true" version. All reality cannot be subjectively experienced, and hence all reality is a hallucination projected from within your own mind.

[hot4god]

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I have received apparently a 100 point infraction for bearing false witness in the above post... I apologize if I have offended. I was under the impression that my kind are welcome here, and also that god gives us free will to choose what I believe.

Perhaps you can publicly explain right here?

[Jeremiah Abernathy]

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Your perception is that the King James version is the "true" version. All reality cannot be subjectively experienced, and hence all reality is a hallucination projected from within your own mind.

Those hallucinations aren't reality, they're all the peyote you've been smoking.