[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

The only reason why flat earth is bring promoted by flat earthers is because the theory was created. If the theory had never been hypnothized flat earth would never have ben promoted right now. Earth being round has been accepted for years so stop

So you are saying God is wrong? Christianity is a fallacy? Shirley you jest.

[OneFailure]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

That is not how discussion works. You need to explain why the source you used for "circle" (Isaiah) rejected the word for "ball" when he described "the shape" of the earth.

That doesnt matter the earth is literally round. Stop regurgitating millenials talking points

[OneFailure]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

So you are saying God is wrong? Christianity is a fallacy? Shirley you jest.

The first line of Isaiah 40:22 says It is he who sits above the circle of the earth makes it seem that its saying the earth is flat when it's not. Even if the original Hebrew is correctly understood to refer to a circle this doesnt indicate something as flat.

A sphere appears as a circle when seen from above. Moreover there is good reason to believe that the word circle might be better translated sphere.


Also the biblical verses that say the earth is fixed and not moving like 1 chromicled 16:30 that says tremble before him all the earth yes the world is established it shall never be moved doesnt literally mean that its flat.


Even if the earth was fixed it would not mean that it would be flat


Here is another example: Isaiah 40:22 Jon 38:13-14


Those two were originally written in Hebrew not early modern English. The word translated circle as in khug is a generic word meaning roundness.


Isaiah 11:12 and Revelation 7:1 says that earth has corners. Flat earthers deny that the earth has corners (who will you believe flat earthers or the bible)


Now stop regurgitating liberal beliefs of flat earth its honestly embarressing and downright pathetic.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

That doesnt matter the earth is literally round. Stop regurgitating millenials talking points

It does matter because what you're saying now contradicts THE SOURCE YOU USED.

I noticed you referred to Isaiah's use of language. It's always good to check out what any source wrote originally where this is possible. Fortunately the major prophets have been fairly carefully looked after. It's not like Aristarchus, for example, whose work needs to be reconstructed from references by people like Archimedes for the most part.

Similarly, when we see quotes from Cleanthes or Epimenides in any context it would be helpful to know what was being quoted to understand the author's point. I would even say essential.

You suggested that "circle" could mean "compass" which includes to inscribe something (with a compass or set of dividers) or to measure something. Clearly simple calling something circular is not sufficient to describe a ball. From various angles it would also apply to cones, cylinders, roundels, saucepans, dinner plates, woks and so on. So that's a pretty vague descriptor.

"Ball" would be much better. Why did Isaiah not use that word?



Isaiah 22

צנוף יצנפך צנפה כדור אל־ארץ רחבת ידים שמה תמות ושמה מרכבות כבודך קלון בית אדניך



Isaiah 40

הישב על־חוג הארץ וישביה כחגבים הנוטה כדק שמים וימתחם כאהל לשבת



It's easy to remember this because one reference is in Isaiah chapter 40 verse 22 and the other is in chapter 22.

[OneFailure]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

It does matter because what you're saying now contradicts THE SOURCE YOU USED.

I noticed you referred to Isaiah's use of language. It's always good to check out what any source wrote originally where this is possible. Fortunately the major prophets have been fairly carefully looked after. It's not like Aristarchus, for example, whose work needs to be reconstructed from references by people like Archimedes for the most part.

Similarly, when we see quotes from Cleanthes or Epimenides in any context it would be helpful to know what was being quoted to understand the author's point. I would even say essential.

You suggested that "circle" could mean "compass" which includes to inscribe something (with a compass or set of dividers) or to measure something. Clearly simple calling something circular is not sufficient to describe a ball. From various angles it would also apply to cones, cylinders, roundels, saucepans, dinner plates, woks and so on. So that's a pretty vague descriptor.

"Ball" would be much better. Why did Isaiah not use that word?



Isaiah 22

צנוף יצנפך צנפה כדור אל־ארץ רחבת ידים שמה תמות ושמה מרכבות כבודך קלון בית אדניך



Isaiah 40

הישב על־חוג הארץ וישביה כחגבים הנוטה כדק שמים וימתחם כאהל לשבת



It's easy to remember this because one reference is in Isaiah chapter 40 verse 22 and the other is in chapter 22.

Just because the Hebrew is correctly understood to refer to circle it doesnt mean its flat. A sphere appears as a circle when seen from above and indeed from whatever direction it is viewed moreover there is a good reason to believe that the word translated circle might be better translated sphere


While most modern bible versions translate Kuhg as circle a good case can be made that sphere was the sense intended by the original Hebrew.


Khug Carrie's the sense of roundness and a command usage makes clear that this can refer to either two or three dimensional geometry.


Even if Khug does refer to a circle this doesnt necessarily indicate flatness as a globe appears as a circle from whatever direction it is viewed

[Basilissa]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I meant to say hypothized sorry

"Hypothized" is not a word, so I still have no idea what you're trying to convey here.

Isaiah 11:12 and Revelation 7:1 says that earth has corners. Flat earthers deny that the earth has corners (who will you believe flat earthers or the bible)

We believe the Bible, dear. The Bible says that the world is a circle (flat round surface) with four corners, and since the Bible says that, it must be true.

Otherwise, if we begin to question whether the Bible is 100% true, we might soon start questioning all of it, such as talking bushes and donkeys, the flood, Jesus' miracles, even His birth and death. That is a slippery slope, dear!

[OneFailure]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

"Hypothized" is not a word, so I still have no idea what you're trying to convey here.

We believe the Bible, dear. The Bible says that the world is a circle (flat round surface) with four corners, and since the Bible says that, it must be true.

Otherwise, if we begin to question whether the Bible is 100% true, we might soon start questioning all of it, such as talking bushes and donkeys, the flood, Jesus' miracles, even His birth and death. That is a slippery slope, dear!

Bible dies not say its flat. You are contradicting the bible and therefore God

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Bible dies not say its flat. You are contradicting the bible and therefore God

You are not only failing in Bible, but in basic geometry.
There's a difference between geometric shapes and geometric bodies. Shapes are flat. A circle is a shape. Ergo, a circle is flat. The Earth is described as a circle. You do the final deduction.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

The first line of Isaiah 40:22 says It is he who sits above the circle of the earth makes it seem that its saying the earth is flat when it's not. Even if the original Hebrew is correctly understood to refer to a circle this doesnt indicate something as flat.

A sphere appears as a circle when seen from above. Moreover there is good reason to believe that the word circle might be better translated sphere.


Also the biblical verses that say the earth is fixed and not moving like 1 chromicled 16:30 that says tremble before him all the earth yes the world is established it shall never be moved doesnt literally mean that its flat.


Even if the earth was fixed it would not mean that it would be flat


Here is another example: Isaiah 40:22 Jon 38:13-14


Those two were originally written in Hebrew not early modern English. The word translated circle as in khug is a generic word meaning roundness.


Isaiah 11:12 and Revelation 7:1 says that earth has corners. Flat earthers deny that the earth has corners (who will you believe flat earthers or the bible)


Now stop regurgitating liberal beliefs of flat earth its honestly embarressing and downright pathetic.

Are you telling us that God is stupid and needs to have you explain things? Was He, a Deity that created everything in just six days, in error? Does your Bible say 'Feel free to interpret His Word as He was probably wrong?

Here is
Isaiah 40:22
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:


No mention of a globe or sphere. Just a circle.


There is no Jon 38:13-14


Friend, you are more wrong than right. With all your blasphameys, God is surely going to send you to the fires of Hell.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

While most modern bible versions translate Kuhg as circle a good case can be made that sphere was the sense intended by the original Hebrew.

Let's get back to the 100% level. We can be absolutely certain that when the SAME author used the word for BALL he meant something BALL shaped. You need to get off of circles and answer two questions.

1. If Isaiah used the word for BALL when he meant BALL shaped (I included the original for you) why are you making any case at all for which word he used to signify that shape? We know what word he uses 100% because he actually used it.

2. In the light of question 1, why would Isaiah use a word NOT meaning BALL shaped to signify something which (according to you) IS?

Please do not say that a ball looks like a circle. It does not. It looks like a ball. Since the author has a word for ball he must know what a ball looks like. Stop talking about circles and start talking about balls.

[Bruh Sound Effect 2]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I have noticed several debates on this particular subject here. To all you godless atheists out there, let's settle this once and for all...

In the modern world it has become a widely spread lie that the earth is round. Of course, this is impossible. If the earth is round, then why don't people just fall off at the bottom?

The answer is simple: The Earth is not round!

Now, if we take a look at some scripture, it clearly tells us the earth is not round but flat:

Jeremiah 16:19:
O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

According to Jeremiah 16:19, the earth has ends. There is no way a spherical earth could have ends, and therefore the earth must be flat. The Book of Revelation tells a similar story:

Revelation 7:1:
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

A spherical earth cannot have corners, it is scientifically impossible. The only logical explanation is that the earth is flat. Checkmate atheists!

Isaiah 40:22:
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

What Isaiah actually describes here is as follows (note: this is a link to a video where a True Christian Scientist™ debunks a false Christian interpretation of this passage):



The following image is taken from a creation science book. According to real scientists, this is how the universe really looks like:



Here we see how the planets, the sun and the moon revolve around the flat earth:



Now, if you still don't believe these scientific facts, here are some real photographs taken at the ends of the earth:









As you can see, this is a solid proof the Earth is flat. Why else would it have edges like these? ...because the earth is flat! That's why.

YIC,
Alex

uhhhh... Sorry to burst your bubble pal, but that first image is a travel ad. The second one is a painting. Those r e a l photos are fake.

[Isabella White]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

uhhhh... Sorry to burst your bubble pal, but that first image is a travel ad. The second one is a painting. Those r e a l photos are fake.

Nonsense! You sound like a typical heretic, one who does not know the joy of serving the Lord Jesus Christ, as found in the King James 1611 Holy Bible! Once you delve into the treasures of this great Book, you will see that the Earth IS flat. If you have any questions, any of our members at , , will be only too happy to assist you in seeing the truth as shown to us by the Lord Jesus Christ!

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

uhhhh... Sorry to burst your bubble pal, but that first image is a travel ad. The second one is a painting. Those r e a l photos are fake.

Typical. When faced with The Truth(c) you people claim it to be fake, with no factual evidence, (provided in abundance in this thread by experts). So very sad.

[Isabella White]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Typical. When faced with The Truth© you people claim it to be fake, with no factual evidence, (provided in abundance in this thread by experts). So very sad.

Amen, Brother Hutchins! That young lady will regret her rebellious words when she stands before the Lord Jesus Christ and hears Him remind her of these words: Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

[Thinks Design]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Amen, Brother Hutchins! That young lady will regret her rebellious words when she stands before the Lord Jesus Christ and hears Him remind her of these words: Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Why are you being so mean to her? The world is obviously a ball. The world is so intricately Designed that it would not be flat.

No one who would design our beautiful planet where everything has a purpose and different people are made for different things in such an outlandish way.

And to pick on her just because she is a woman is just unfair.

Thinks Design.