[Fencepost88]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

oh and I forgot one more point someone said that Adam and Eve were the first and not the only humans implying we could be descended from other humans, neglecting the obvious that the bible states were all descended from Noah, if we are not all descended from Adam then original sin holds no water Jesus becomes redundant and some of us should still be permitted to live in the garden of eden. Although it is safe to say that's all personal conjecture and God could of course operate on the 'once bitten, twice shy' principle and not allow any man into the garden of eden regardless of whether they are descended from Adam. Might also explain why some people have no understanding of good and evil, naturism and the ilk.

[Fencepost88]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

I'm assuming you're a bit crazy and determined to shoehorn the Bible into fitting whatever warped pseudo-science makes sense in your brain.

I'm not trying to make the bible fit into any of my 'warped pseudo-science' I'm merely stating that the basic definitions of evolution and mutation occur in the bible. note basic not scientific.

The finer details of your nonsense really don't matter because if God made us in His image then tinkered with us endlessly so we suddenly grew extra bits or less bits or different sized bits just to see if it worked out or not don't you think he'd have told us?

Genesis 1:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

although it's not written it is implied that before this the serpent did not move on it's belly (else it's not much of a punishment)

and we've already discussed God creating the different races of man so where hasn't he told us this?

By the way, where did you get your definition of mutation from?



Your pet scientists think it's the above (whatever that's supposed to mean!)

Like I said basic definition.

You seem to think it's more like God is playing at rewriting the X men or something.

Why not stop trying to imagine what it would be like if the world matched the inside of your head, accept the Bible for what it actually is and get out there and live your life like God says you should?

Why are you so sure that the lord hasn't tinkered around with what he has made?

Genesis 18:14
Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.

admittedly this verse has little to do with evolution but the majority of Genesis 18 is God saying 'so what if sarah was barren and has hit her menopause she can have a child if I so wish.' My conclusion God can re-write nature whenever he pleases, especially evident by the first 8 words 'Is any thing too hard for the LORD?'

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

why are you so quick to judge people who make observations about the invisible things of creation. Humans have the capacity to err so I don't believe 100% that darwins theory or any other theory has it correct but to say that it is totally incorrect and every living thing on earth has remained unchanged for 6000 years is to ignore the bible and the changes you can observe with you're own two eyes everyday.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

Aren't there aspects of the theory of evolution covered in the bible?

e.g.,
Adam and Noah - proving that we are all descended from a common ancestor.

Shem, Ham, and Japheth - being the fathers of different nations lends to the evolutionist theory of 'random mutation' being that an entirely new species is created from an offspring having different characteristics from it's parents.

That idea is NOT presented in The Bible. As for "science" the fundamental tenet is that ALL humans are the SAME SPECIES. We are "cross fertile" whatever you're reading is rubbish did you get it from a state school.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

That's pretty funny

See you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of, I said random mutation, not natural selection, they are two completely seperate things, natural selection would be something that occurs long after random mutation. point to an instance when I have used the words natural selection and I will apologise for it.

Now then if God creates a new race of man from the offspring of another race of man is that not mutation, has the human race not evolved?

Mutation: A distinct form resulting from such a change

Evolution: The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.

Darwins theory of evolution does not define evolution, if you looked into it you'd find there are many different theories of evolution, stop assuming I agree 100% with darwinism and start reading what I'm actually writing.

I'm assuming you're a bit crazy and determined to shoehorn the Bible into fitting whatever warped pseudo-science makes sense in your brain.

The finer details of your nonsense really don't matter because if God made us in His image then tinkered with us endlessly so we suddenly grew extra bits or less bits or different sized bits just to see if it worked out or not don't you think he'd have told us?

By the way, where did you get your definition of mutation from?

A Mutation occurs when a DNA gene is damaged or changed in such a way as to alter the genetic message carried by that gene.

Your pet scientists think it's the above (whatever that's supposed to mean!)

You seem to think it's more like God is playing at rewriting the X men or something.

Why not stop trying to imagine what it would be like if the world matched the inside of your head, accept the Bible for what it actually is and get out there and live your life like God says you should?



A mutation, yesterday.

[Fencepost88]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

So stop it; you're making a monkey out of yourself. (Creationist joke there )

That's pretty funny

See you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of, I said random mutation, not natural selection, they are two completely seperate things, natural selection would be something that occurs long after random mutation. point to an instance when I have used the words natural selection and I will apologise for it.

Now then if God creates a new race of man from the offspring of another race of man is that not mutation, has the human race not evolved?

Mutation: A distinct form resulting from such a change

Evolution: The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.

Darwins theory of evolution does not define evolution, if you looked into it you'd find there are many different theories of evolution, stop assuming I agree 100% with darwinism and start reading what I'm actually writing.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Ok, why isn't that evolution? God changed one person and their spawn were forever altered, they were a new species of man, a mutation.

There you go again. It's not evolution because it's God's will and the work of our great designer rather than the work of random chance by natural selection that Darwin proposed.

You're just attaching misnomers to actual events caused by God and getting all confused.

It's like me saying I drove to work in my aeroplane. I should really be saying car but because I don't know the difference I say the wrong word. Does it really matter? We both know what I really meant because I just explained it to you.

Now try having the remark taken out of context and see how many people think I'm a pilot of a plane who is confused and said drove instead of flew. How will they tell the difference without the more detailed knowledge?

This is why saying silly erroneous things like "God caused evolution and this is my own special meaning for evolution" is so silly.

So stop it; you're making a monkey out of yourself. (Creationist joke there )

[Fencepost88]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

Ok, why isn't that evolution? God changed one person and their spawn were forever altered, they were a new species of man, a mutation.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

uh huh you're talking about 'random mutation' you realise, although it would be less random and more by Gods will. As such wouldn't that make evolution a tool of God.

And I'm obseessed with race because this is a thread about evolution, hard not to talk about it.

You're actually serious about this? I thought you were joking or something.

You think God makes evolution happen on the basis of the actual fact that there are now races but they are all descended from a few flood survivors?

What kind of warped mind tries to base a theory of racial origin on such tenuous stuff when I just gave you all the evidence you need to see that the forefathers of various races are distinguished by some deed or iniquity.

Abraham, great favourite of God, passed test when asked to sacrifice own son, spawns Israel.

Lot, had drunken sex with own daughters, spawns doomed-to-genocide-at-hands-of Israelites races Moabites and Ammonites.

Why can you not see the pattern?

[Fencepost88]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

uh huh you're talking about 'random mutation' you realise, although it would be less random and more by Gods will. As such wouldn't that make evolution a tool of God.

And I'm obseessed with race because this is a thread about evolution, hard not to talk about it.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

uh huh, try and follow my logic instead of assuming I'm a Darwinist conspirator. If all races are descended from them then all races are descended from those 3 men... in fact all from one man, noah being father of all three... tho I suppose the races of wives and such are not mentioned.

Why so obsessed with race? For starters we know Ham was the forefather of the Canaanites due to his sin of tittle tattling about his drunken and naked father. Various other racial origins of note are mentioned such as the birth of the Moabites and Ammonites from the horrific rape of their drunken father by Lot's daughters.

Similar things based on sin and debauchery too irrelevant to mention due to a lack of obsessive pedants such as yourself back in the day must also have happened to spawn the other lesser races.

[Fencepost88]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

uh huh, try and follow my logic instead of assuming I'm a Darwinist conspirator. If all races are descended from them then all races are descended from those 3 men... in fact all from one man, noah being father of all three... tho I suppose the races of wives and such are not mentioned.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

not my intention, my main point was about Ham, Shem and Japheth. if they are everyones forefathers then all human races 'evolved' from them.

Descended from them...

Try to focus on what actually happened instead of using wrong words and expecting us to see significance in them.

It's like saying "walked on the moon" when you actually mean "conspired with secularists to pretend the moon is another world"

[Fencepost88]

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...You make it sound like bugs are evolved from people !!!!!

not my intention, my main point was about Ham, Shem and Japheth. if they are everyones forefathers then all human races 'evolved' from them.

[James Hutchins]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

Aren't there aspects of the theory of evolution covered in the bible?

e.g.,
Adam and Noah - proving that we are all descended from a common ancestor.

Shem, Ham, and Japheth - being the fathers of different nations lends to the evolutionist theory of 'random mutation' being that an entirely new species is created from an offspring having different characteristics from it's parents.

Genesis 9:18-19 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.

How many different races are there on earth? doesn't evolution have to occur in some way, shape, or form for them all to have come from three ancestors?

I'm not saying the theory of evolution is 100% correct but arent there parts of it that are backed up by scripture.

You seemed to of skipped a bit. Adam and Eve were the first regular people (first, not only) soon thereafter, God created servants to tend to them. You make it sound like bugs are evolved from people !!!!!

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

did I mention monkeys?

You were doing that whole evolution common ancestor thing and I glazed over because it usually means monkeys.

Look, friend, Noah and his sons and sundry womenfolk are our forefathers because they are the only humans to survive the flood, not to give credence to Darwin the worm botherer.