[Wide-Open]

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I do not know what maxime means however, please translate that to non-god talk.

Just your deputy prime minister dear. Watched any news lately?

And i'm from holland, not germany...

Swamp German then. Same difference.

[Cranky Old Man]

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You sure do have a point with Wilders, but i'm glad 95% of holland hates his muslim-hating ass.

Then why did he get 16% of the votes during your last elections and why is he at 21% in the latest polls? And what is so wrong about hating muslims anyway? They do blow up buildings you know.

[darrenmckenzie]

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Please take a moment and think. I know, I know it's a new concept for you all but just try it, it's fun

Experiment 1: Can be explained by simple physics. Say for example you were doing parachuting, when you jump out of the plane you are still going forward at the same speed as the plane until wind resistance slows you down. The same concept can be applied to "jumping" you are moving at the same speed as the earth so there-for due to Newtons first law of motion (for those of you who don't know Newtons laws) "An object in motion will remain in motion until acted upon be an unbalanced external force" you will continue moving "horizontally" at the same speed as the earth.

Experiment 2: More simple physics, isn't this fun, you're getting an education into the real world. No matter how big you blew the balloon with air and no matter how small you cut the piece of paper the mass ratios will never match that of a human to the Earth. Mainly because the Earth is filled with rock and not air. And just to clear things up gravity is NOT a DOWNWARD force it IS an INWARD force (which shows why Australians don't fall off Earth, they are pulled in not down) the opposite of centrifugal force actually. And since the Earth's gravity is so much greater than your bit of plastic's the paper will always fall to the ground.

Experiment 3: This is maths, a bit of variety. From a higher viewpoint you can see through a greater amount of angles there for you can see further round the Earth's curvature. A quick question what is the highest man has even. Answer. Space. And that man saw with his own two eyes that the Earth is round and that from one spot he could not see all places on Earth at once so the Earth must be round.

Now class is dismissed I hope we all learned something and don't forget all of this will be on the test.

[Lisa H]

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Please take a moment and think. I know, I know it's a new concept for you all but just try it, it's fun

Spherical Earthers are fun with there silly theories.

Experiment 1: Can be explained by simple physics. Say for example you were doing parachuting, when you jump out of the plane you are still going forward at the same speed as the plane until wind resistance slows you down. The same concept can be applied to "jumping" you are moving at the same speed as the earth so there-for due to Newtons first law of motion (for those of you who don't know Newtons laws) "An object in motion will remain in motion until acted upon be an unbalanced external force" you will continue moving "horizontally" at the same speed as the earth.

I suggest you actually jump out of a plane like I have done. You will find a picture of me sky diving in a previous post.

Experiment 2: More simple physics, isn't this fun, you're getting an education into the real world. No matter how big you blew the balloon with air and no matter how small you cut the piece of paper the mass ratios will never match that of a human to the Earth. Mainly because the Earth is filled with rock and not air. And just to clear things up gravity is NOT a DOWNWARD force it IS an INWARD force (which shows why Australians don't fall off Earth, they are pulled in not down) the opposite of centrifugal force actually. And since the Earth's gravity is so much greater than your bit of plastic's the paper will always fall to the ground.

Try doing the same experiment with a bowling ball. You will get the same result. Bowling balls are solid.

Nice try to prove why people do not fall off the earth in Australia.

Experiment 3: This is maths, a bit of variety. From a higher viewpoint you can see through a greater amount of angles there for you can see further round the Earth's curvature. A quick question what is the highest man has even. Answer. Space. And that man saw with his own two eyes that the Earth is round and that from one spot he could not see all places on Earth at once so the Earth must be round.

Wrong. Using your theory, we should be able to see the other side of a ball if we move further away from it.

Man has never been into space. It is just a hoax by NASA. See previous posts.

Now class is dismissed I hope we all learned something and don't forget all of this will be on the test.

Yes, I learned how you have been fooled by spherical earthers.

[CoolMan]

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OK I have a few questions for you guys.

So what would happen if someone fell off the edge of the world? Also, I'd like to know where the edge is, because I'd like to see it.

I can't believe some of the smilies you guys have. Ridiculous.

[Levi Jones]

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OK I have a few questions for you guys.

So what would happen if someone fell off the edge of the world? Also, I'd like to know where the edge is, because I'd like to see it.

Friend, as I understand it, you cannot fall from the edge of the earth anymore than the water runs off. The firmament holds it up.

[Invective]

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Hi every,

Firstly, thank you for this thread. It has provided hours of entertainment.

Some points i'm chasing up.

As 'Coolman' pointed out, if the world was flat, then we would be able to find an edge, but planes and boats fly in all directions and never hit it.

Also, are you stating that other planets, clearly visible in our solar system by a home telescope, are also flat? or is it just earth.

-> Lisa H.

Experiment 1 - Are you saying that as soon as you leave the plane you come to a complete horizontal stop? This would unfortunately crush you. It is the wind resistance that slows you down to (given time) a zero horizontal movement speed, leaving only the vertical fall. Going back to the original argument, it is invalid. If you jump inside an enclosed 'truck' (ie no air resistance) you will not move backwards or forwards (providing no acceleration or de-acceleration is occurring) This is because your speed is relative to the truck at the time of jumping (again to stop instantly would crush you unfortunately). The same applies to jumping on a spinning earth, your speed is relative to the speed of the earth at the time of jumping, so you do not move.

Experiment 2 - Unfortunately the bowling ball has extremely far too little mass to overcome the earths gravitational pull at such a close proximity. Thus the paper falls to the ground.

Experiment 3 - Maybe the original poster should have highlighted for you that the additional height angle has a finite limit, of course you cannot see the other side of the ball. I'm sure a quick Google could find you the equation.

[Lisa H]

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Hi every,

Firstly, thank you for this thread. It has provided hours of entertainment.

Hi Invective,

Those spherical earthers do provide hours of entertainment. It is amazing how they come up with some of the wacky theories.

Experiment 1 - Are you saying that as soon as you leave the plane you come to a complete horizontal stop? This would unfortunately crush you. It is the wind resistance that slows you down to (given time) a zero horizontal movement speed, leaving only the vertical fall. Going back to the original argument, it is invalid. If you jump inside an enclosed 'truck' (ie no air resistance) you will not move backwards or forwards (providing no acceleration or de-acceleration is occurring) This is because your speed is relative to the truck at the time of jumping (again to stop instantly would crush you unfortunately). The same applies to jumping on a spinning earth, your speed is relative to the speed of the earth at the time of jumping, so you do not move.

If you want to simulate jumping out of a plane. Next time you are driving on a freeway, drop a ball out of the window. See what happens. The ball will land where you dropped it. Of course jumping from a plane has additional problems like avoiding hitting the plane and the wind caused by the propellers.

I have not been crushed jumping from a plane. As you would know, the plane travels faster than a car.

Experiment 2 - Unfortunately the bowling ball has extremely far too little mass to overcome the earths gravitational pull at such a close proximity. Thus the paper falls to the ground.

The person was saying the air in the balloon caused the paper to fall off. As you pointed out the same happens with a solid object like a bowling ball.

Experiment 3 - Maybe the original poster should have highlighted for you that the additional height angle has a finite limit, of course you cannot see the other side of the ball. I'm sure a quick Google could find you the equation.

Glad to see you that acknowledge the original question is wrong. Using a ball is much easier to see how it works.

Hope this helps in your learning about how God made the earth flat.

Lisa

[Invective]

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Hi Lisa,

Thanks for getting back to me, your beliefs in the matter are very... interesting

Experiment 1 - Umm.. Actually no, it wont, sorry. Go out and test it under controlled circumstances (a vaccuum chamber is fantastic). The force of air travelling at car speeds is such a great resistance on the dropped object that it appears to stop, but it will still be moving quite fast in a horizontal direction when it hits the ground (it will always continue rolling in the direction the car was travelling for instance). If you want i will find a simplier experiement for you if this is not sufficent, but this is a proven rule of physics and cannot be broken. Seriously, go out and try it. If you don't believe that one, let me know and i'll find something more definitive.

You where not crushed jumping out of the plane? That's excellent to hear. However this totally proves my argument. Unless of course you believe that having a crash (ie coming to a sudden stop) at plane speeds will not harm you what-so-ever... Last i checked, it wasn't great for the human body to do. So yeah, when you jump from a plane, are you still arguing that you instantly stopped your forward momentum (ie you hit a brick wall for instance (on the horizontal axis)) and only dropped downwards? Of course you didn't, sure you slowed down on the horizontal axis (due to wind resistance at high speed) while falling. Hitting a brick wall and instantly stopping at 300 would not make a fun sky-dive

Experiement 2 - Ahh Sorry, I was trying to give you a better understanding of how gravity works. The person was not trying to suggest that the air in the balloon would make it fall off, but rather the mass of the balloon. If you check out how Gravity works, you will see that it is Mass and not volume that states any objects level of gravity. The previous person was attempting to state that since the balloon was full of air, its mass is probably not much more then the paper (since air is a gas and its particles are very well spaced apart). You need an object the size of the entire earth to get the level of gravity we live in, a simple balloon or bowling ball has a gravimetric force so small that it is generally ignored... However if you had a bowling ball floating around the earth, say the size of the moon, it might, maybe cause the tides we see in the ocean

Experiment 3 - Heh, nice turn of words there. Of course that is not what I meant, but if you feel you want to ignore what I said as you are having trouble with a rebuttle, that's no probs...

Hope this helps in your learning about how the earth isn't flat, and its quite simple to go outside, run some experiments and see why

Cheers for your time

Invect.

[Lisa H]

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Hi Invective,

Nice to see that you want to learn more about the earth is really flat.

Experiment 1 - Umm.. Actually no, it wont, sorry. Go out and test it under controlled circumstances (a vaccuum chamber is fantastic). The force of air travelling at car speeds is such a great resistance on the dropped object that it appears to stop, but it will still be moving quite fast in a horizontal direction when it hits the ground (it will always continue rolling in the direction the car was travelling for instance). If you want i will find a simplier experiement for you if this is not sufficent, but this is a proven rule of physics and cannot be broken. Seriously, go out and try it. If you don't believe that one, let me know and i'll find something more definitive.

I was using the dropped ball as an example of a simple experiment to do. Of course you will have to into factors of how windy it is and any wind caused by the car. I think you are are getting confused with things moving horizontally because of optical illusion. While it does appear to be moving horizontal it is not. Have you ever seen something heavy fall off a truck. The object looks like it is floating in the spot till it starts to fall downwards.

You where not crushed jumping out of the plane? That's excellent to hear. However this totally proves my argument. Unless of course you believe that having a crash (ie coming to a sudden stop) at plane speeds will not harm you what-so-ever... Last i checked, it wasn't great for the human body to do. So yeah, when you jump from a plane, are you still arguing that you instantly stopped your forward momentum (ie you hit a brick wall for instance (on the horizontal axis)) and only dropped downwards? Of course you didn't, sure you slowed down on the horizontal axis (due to wind resistance at high speed) while falling. Hitting a brick wall and instantly stopping at 300 would not make a fun sky-dive

Thank you for your concern about me not being crushed from jumping out of a plane. The feeling is amazing when you jump from the plane. Like I said you have to be careful when you jump out. Since the plane is moving forward and all wind blowing around you can easily hit the plane. So yes you do stop moving forward. Perhaps you should watch some videos of what happens when someone jumps from plane.

I agree hitting a brick wall would not make a fun sky dive. Luckily the plane flies higher than buildings.

Experiement 2 - Ahh Sorry, I was trying to give you a better understanding of how gravity works. The person was not trying to suggest that the air in the balloon would make it fall off, but rather the mass of the balloon. If you check out how Gravity works, you will see that it is Mass and not volume that states any objects level of gravity. The previous person was attempting to state that since the balloon was full of air, its mass is probably not much more then the paper (since air is a gas and its particles are very well spaced apart). You need an object the size of the entire earth to get the level of gravity we live in, a simple balloon or bowling ball has a gravimetric force so small that it is generally ignored... However if you had a bowling ball floating around the earth, say the size of the moon, it might, maybe cause the tides we see in the ocean

I did mention in a previous post about spinning around. There is a fairground ride that spins around really fast. Once you reach a certain spead you a flung against the wall and stuck there. The ride is sometimes called "The Rotor".

The moon does not cause tides in the ocean. Talking about would be off topic. It would be funny having a bowling that big. How big would the lanes be.

Experiment 3 - Heh, nice turn of words there. Of course that is not what I meant, but if you feel you want to ignore what I said as you are having trouble with a rebuttle, that's no probs...

I did answer the question. perhaps you should read my answer again.

Cheers for your time

Invect.

That's ok. Nice to have someone who wants to have an intelligent chat on why the earth is flat.

Lisa

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Please take a moment and think. I know, I know it's a new concept for you all but just try it, it's fun

Experiment 1: Can be explained by simple physics. Say for example you were doing parachuting, when you jump out of the plane you are still going forward at the same speed as the plane until wind resistance slows you down.

No, this is "intelligent pulling." Instead of going forwards, you now go down; simple.

Experiment 2: [...][...] (which shows why Australians don't fall off Earth, they are pulled in not down)

Two points here: (i) This seems overly complex and I prefer the simple explanation - See Occam's Razor (ii) if the earth were spinning, we would all be flung to the edges; if the earth were round and spinning, we'd be flung off in all directions.

Experiment 3: This is maths, a bit of variety. From a higher viewpoint you can see through a greater amount of angles there for you can see further round the Earth's curvature.

Read this before you embarrass yourself further: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...postcount=1391. If you think about it (which obviously you have not) - the flat earth will appear curved because of the limit of the rays from your eyes.

[Invective]

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Hi Lisa,

Thanks for your speedy reply.

Unfortunately i'm not here to be tutored in how the earth is flat as you keep suggesting, just to further understand what your group of 'True Christians' think about physics.

Experiment 1 - Okay we need to go simpler. If you have a camera that is looking out of the bomb bay of a bomber aircraft, the bombs are visible out of the bay for quite some time, they drop and maintain their speed with the aircraft in a forwards momentum, if your argument where correct they would stop as soon as they where detached from the aircraft. Since bombs are usually quite aero dynamic, they do not loose their horizontal speed rapidly, and thus look like they are staying under the plane even though it is moving very rapidly.

It is much easier to prove and see if you use a vacuume chamber where you can release a ball from a forward moving object, it will continue forward while accellerating towards the bottom.

And i'm sorry, I have never seen an object appear to be stationary and then fall off the back of a truck.

Let me ask you this. If something, lets say a person, jumps off the back of a truck.... if their forward momentum stops as you suggest, then they only have the height to jump off, they horizontally stopped as you said... so then they just fall... So, if i jump off a truck doing 100, i should just land... No forward motion, so... i just fall the say... 2 meters... and land nicely, 2 meters isn't too bad, might do an ankle... Tell you what... no this isn't what happens, the foward motion, that you still carry, is still there, you hit that ground really hard and doing nearly the speed that the truck was doing... And you tumble and hurt yourself really really bad. The exact same thing happens on the aircraft, its just higher... In your skydive, by the time you landed, the wind resistance, as mentioned had slowed you enough.

I'm very sorry for you if you believe that jumping off a truck will result in only a 2 meter vertical fall and the forward momentum has nothing to do with it... But i'd suggest that you do not try that.

I think my 'Hitting the wall' example was too complex. I was stating that the effect on the body of suddenly stopping in horizontal movement would crush you, much like hitting a wall... Actually its exactly like hitting a wall... Imagine this, you're moving forward at 300km/h, suddenly you stop... instant... like you suggest.... its like hitting a wall.... if you hit a wall at 300km/h, well, we already discussed what happens... What you are suggesting is exactly like hitting a wall at the speed of the plane You'd go splat

Experiment 2 - Sorry I know it's off topic, but that is very wrong sorry. Your reference to 'the rotor' (sounds fun!) is reference to Centripetal force. Centripetal force is constant in all directions. For the tides to move in and out as they do, they need a changing force. The tides are caused (for the most part) by the gravity of the moon.

Experiement 3 - Sorry perhaps you didn't understand my response. Of course you cannot see the other side of the ball, but that was never stated by the original poster either, it was something that you assumed was implied... Which it wasn't. If you get a beach ball, a really big one, and sit really super close to it, then look around, mark out how far around the ball you can see with a pen. Then move a bit further away to get a better vantage point. You will note that not only can you see your marks that you made, but you can see alot more now... Of course you cannot see the other side of the ball, but this perfectly explains how you can see further from the top of a mountain then at say, sea level.

Thanks for your quick replies on all of this.

It's probably been in one of the forum responses earlier, but maybe you could fill me in... Where do you guys think the edge of the earth is? Can I go and see it? That would be an awesome sight !!!! Imagine jumping off the edge! What a ride.

[Invective]

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Wow Ezekiel,

I'm not even sure where to start.

I'm not sure I can discuss this topic with you unfortunately we as obviously exist within different dimensions.

Regards.
Invec.

[Lisa H]

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Hi Lisa,

Thanks for your speedy reply.

Unfortunately i'm not here to be tutored in how the earth is flat as you keep suggesting, just to further understand what your group of 'True Christians' think about physics.

We believe in the science God has given us. Secular science just tries to prove things.

Experiment 1 - Okay we need to go simpler. If you have a camera that is looking out of the bomb bay of a bomber aircraft, the bombs are visible out of the bay for quite some time, they drop and maintain their speed with the aircraft in a forwards momentum, if your argument where correct they would stop as soon as they where detached from the aircraft. Since bombs are usually quite aero dynamic, they do not loose their horizontal speed rapidly, and thus look like they are staying under the plane even though it is moving very rapidly.

It is much easier to prove and see if you use a vacuume chamber where you can release a ball from a forward moving object, it will continue forward while accellerating towards the bottom.

Sorry, I do not like talking about bombs. I think war planes are a bad example as they have special launching systems. If you watch a bomb being released it is fired forward.

And i'm sorry, I have never seen an object appear to be stationary and then fall off the back of a truck.

I think you miss understood what I said. The heavy object appears to be stationary when it falls. It is good you have not seen it happen because it makes a terrible mess and sometimes people can be injured.

Let me ask you this. If something, lets say a person, jumps off the back of a truck.... if their forward momentum stops as you suggest, then they only have the height to jump off, they horizontally stopped as you said... so then they just fall... So, if i jump off a truck doing 100, i should just land... No forward motion, so... i just fall the say... 2 meters... and land nicely, 2 meters isn't too bad, might do an ankle... Tell you what... no this isn't what happens, the foward motion, that you still carry, is still there, you hit that ground really hard and doing nearly the speed that the truck was doing... And you tumble and hurt yourself really really bad. The exact same thing happens on the aircraft, its just higher... In your skydive, by the time you landed, the wind resistance, as mentioned had slowed you enough.

I think you have still missed the point. You will still stay in the same place (of course if there is no wind to blow you away). When you jump out of a plane it like being sucked out and you start falling. Its a strange feeling.

I'm very sorry for you if you believe that jumping off a truck will result in only a 2 meter vertical fall and the forward momentum has nothing to do with it... But i'd suggest that you do not try that.

I will not try jumping of a truck as will result in an injury.

I think my 'Hitting the wall' example was too complex. I was stating that the effect on the body of suddenly stopping in horizontal movement would crush you, much like hitting a wall... Actually its exactly like hitting a wall... Imagine this, you're moving forward at 300km/h, suddenly you stop... instant... like you suggest.... its like hitting a wall.... if you hit a wall at 300km/h, well, we already discussed what happens... What you are suggesting is exactly like hitting a wall at the speed of the plane You'd go splat

I think we have spoken about this enough.

Experiment 2 - Sorry I know it's off topic, but that is very wrong sorry. Your reference to 'the rotor' (sounds fun!) is reference to Centripetal force. Centripetal force is constant in all directions. For the tides to move in and out as they do, they need a changing force. The tides are caused (for the most part) by the gravity of the moon.

We should stay on topic. I just answered because you asked and assumed you would stay on topic. Try going the Rotor, you will see what I mean.

Experiement 3 - Sorry perhaps you didn't understand my response. Of course you cannot see the other side of the ball, but that was never stated by the original poster either, it was something that you assumed was implied... Which it wasn't. If you get a beach ball, a really big one, and sit really super close to it, then look around, mark out how far around the ball you can see with a pen. Then move a bit further away to get a better vantage point. You will note that not only can you see your marks that you made, but you can see alot more now... Of course you cannot see the other side of the ball, but this perfectly explains how you can see further from the top of a mountain then at say, sea level.

We agree on this one. You cannot see the other side of the ball.

You can see higher on top of mountains because they are higher. Some people have used the example of standing on top of a tall building. The same thing happens when you look out of a plane.

Thanks for your quick replies on all of this.

I do try.

It's probably been in one of the forum responses earlier, but maybe you could fill me in... Where do you guys think the edge of the earth is? Can I go and see it? That would be an awesome sight !!!! Imagine jumping off the edge! What a ride.

Some people have posted pictures in previous comments. I would not want to jump of the edge of the world. Then I would die and not enjoy all the wonderful things God has given us.

Lisa

[Sean_Davidson]

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I feel I have to jump in Ezekiel. Up to this point I have been content to simply watch this interesting conversation unfold, but flat or round-earth there is little in what you say makes any good common sense, let alone logical sense.


Out of curiosity, is 'intelligent pulling' equivalent to 'gravity'? Are you suggesting it's operation is different? If so, how does it differ?


One of my pet peeves is the abuse of my old friend William of Occam. Occam's razor is not 'the simplest idea is best', as you hint, but about the explanation that utilises the least amount of assumptions (while still explaining the phenomena). You have several implicit assumptions in your explanation that are not logical however.
At a minimum, it is not difficult to imagine a slowly rotating-earth that doesn't spin the unfortunate residents away like an over enthusiastic merry-go-round. Your example flies to extremes to stand in as proof - similarly I could 'prove' that bricks are just soft as marshmallows by subjecting them to several million tonnes of impact force; it is simply not a fair comparison.




I was willing to dismiss these points as simply hastily made comments, that perhaps you will refine in your response, but there is no excuse for the post that you link to in order to 'prevent embarrassment'. It is utter nonsense, at least in the manner you describe, regardless of a flat-earth or round-earth perspective.


Based on that diagram, our eyes see by rays that emanate from the eye. They fall off with distance (intelligent pulling?). Somehow this enables you to see.
Is the light supposed to return to the eye somehow? If so, how? It lost all of its energy as evidenced by the fact it had dropped off to the furthest distance it could 'project'. If the answer is 'it reflects' - how is the angle reversed? Mirrors would function very strangely if that were the case...
The other alternative is that somehow our eye-rays are 'seeing' the object simply by reaching it, like reaching out our arm and touching. In this case we ought to be able to see regardless of the perceived brightness, in fact we ought to be able to see in the complete darkness because apparently all that is important is if our 'rays' can reach an object.
This raises a further question - round-earthers use the horizon as proof of a round earth. But this version submits that the 'horizon' is an illusion because the rays emanating from the eye fall off with distance. For an 'eye height' of an average height person, this horizon appears to be 5km away - less based on your qualification of eye-ray strength. How is it that we are able to view the moon? The stars? Our great Sun? Somehow your eye-ray, limited to such a short distance across earth, is capable of spanning the enormous (at least greater than 5km) distance to the heavens above?


I'm really not picking sides here – I am genuinely open to either idea, but this is just ridiculous as you have presented it.