[TheFlash]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I understand refraction and diffraction, and refraction is the right one in this instance, but neither of these effects would explain why ships sink under all atmospheric conditions. And why can you observe them for longer from a height? The only situation that would cause an object that is on a straight line to appear lower than would be a convex lens with you not standing on the principle axis.

http://www.passmyexams.co.uk/GCSE/physics/images/convex_lens.jpg

This would require there being a concave shaped pocket of higher density air between you and the boat. Possible to happen, but not all the time.
And your method of explaining the sinking ship should cut both ways, with ships appearing to float in the air while the sea curves up under different atmospheric conditions... or the sea appearing to flow upward into the land from the ship's point of view in the original setup.

And how does night and day work? A flashlight and a baseball accurately demonstrate the exact way our night/day cycle work, not to mention the seasons, and i would consider this a classic application of Occam's razor.

Finally, what are astronauts watching slowly rotate under them if the world is flat?

I realize I am not going to change any minds here, but I am fascinated that there are alternate hypotheses to these problems that are taken, frankly, as articles of faith by many people, and have been bourn out by everything I have ever learned in a long career of science classes.

[TheFlash]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

...This would require there being a concave shaped pocket of higher density air between you and the boat....

*concave should be convex

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I understand refraction and diffraction, and refraction is the right one in this instance, but neither of these effects would explain why ships sink under all atmospheric conditions. And why can you observe them for longer from a height? The only situation that would cause an object that is on a straight line to appear lower than would be a convex lens with you not standing on the principle axis.

http://www.passmyexams.co.uk/GCSE/physics/images/convex_lens.jpg

This would require there being a concave shaped pocket of higher density air between you and the boat. Possible to happen, but not all the time.
And your method of explaining the sinking ship should cut both ways, with ships appearing to float in the air while the sea curves up under different atmospheric conditions... or the sea appearing to flow upward into the land from the ship's point of view in the original setup.

Is it really that hard to understand. You have two eyes, go and watch a ship leaving the dock.

As the ship sails aways it looks as if it is getting smaller. The waves at the front near your appear larger and cover the ship. Simple!

And how does night and day work? A flashlight and a baseball accurately demonstrate the exact way our night/day cycle work, not to mention the seasons, and i would consider this a classic application of Occam's razor.

Night and day work like they normally do. The sun moves around the earth, giving different parts of the earth daytime. Where the is not, it is night time.

Finally, what are astronauts watching slowly rotate under them if the world is flat?

The movie set below them.

I realize I am not going to change any minds here, but I am fascinated that there are alternate hypotheses to these problems that are taken, frankly, as articles of faith by many people, and have been bourn out by everything I have ever learned in a long career of science classes.

I guess you are one of those people who finds ovens are magical because raw food goes in and cooked food comes out.

[GOD=life]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

And your method of explaining the sinking ship should cut both ways, with ships appearing to float in the air while the sea curves up under different atmospheric conditions...

You're absolutely right. It does happen as you predict. The image below of from a SECULAR website that follows curved earth theory:



Linked from this article on wickedpedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fata_Morgana_(mirage)

Since you see ships "sink" below the horizon instead of float upwards, you're probably not in a polar region.

Additionally, on hot days you can see distortion due to temperature difference at much shorter distances. Without air, the ships would not "sink" or "float". Then again, without air, we wouldn't be able to breathe and have this discussion...

[BunnyBabe21]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

@Rev. Jim Osborne I tried all 3 experiments and they all work! True Christian™ science is so much fun!

I tried them too!! Its all true!!

[BunnyBabe21]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I guess you are one of those people who finds ovens are magical because raw food goes in and cooked food comes out.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

how does one account for the fact that lunar eclipses are cyclical and predicted years in advance, and their are at least two every year?

I see it's more prove that scientists falsify "evidence" in order to try to debunk God's eternal word.

[Americansareajoke]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

You guys are absolutely retarded.

America = fail.

Have you guys actually tried to go to a proper school?

Not everything can be put in some dumb analogies or metaphores.
A force like gravitational pull isn't to be explained as jumping in a truck.
The reason why you end up somewhere on the road after jumping from it is because the earth's gravitational field is forcing you back.
Put an apple in a towel - take the towel in your hand and swing it around like a mill. Did the apple fall out of the towel? No! Because you created gravitation.

When you get onto a really high tower, you will see a curvature on the horizon. Since the world is pretty big - bigger than just the United States of America ( there's continents like Africa and Europe and Asia and Antarctica ), that slight curvature that you see is part of a gigantic circle.

Also check Lunar Eclipses. Shadow of earth on moon is ROUND.


you might say the world is a disk, but then there would be no gravitational force.


Sigh, i guess if you want to believe that the earth is flat, it's your own choice. I just think it's ungratefull for all the people that have devoted their lives to scientific research and study, to not even check any proper books and just take christian/muslim propaganda as the truth.

I have lost any respect for religious people.
A god is created by the need of people to have an external conscience. Some people are too weak to be good just for their own conscience, that's why they need some imaginary guarddog in heaven that checks their behaviour, and will reward them with heaven if they are good. ( How unchristian is it to only be good because you know it will bring you to heaven later)
Humans created religion to guide the masses to act civilized, as civilisation demands a code for behaviour. If anarchy, incest and murder are not a taboo, there is no chance for a civilisation. That's why they need an imaginary guy that always watches everybody, so everybody will always respect the moral code. This is not a bad invention. I'm just saying that intelligent people who aren't prone to kill or steal, should look reality in the eye, and make THIS world a better place.
Stop climate change for example. And before you reject the idea of climate change - read some proper books about that as well.

American christians are perceived all over the world as crazy zealots, intolerant, uneducated and unfree. Why do you think that is?

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

You guys are absolutely retarded.

America = fail.

Have you guys actually tried to go to a proper school?

Not everything can be put in some dumb analogies or metaphores.
A force like gravitational pull isn't to be explained as jumping in a truck.
The reason why you end up somewhere on the road after jumping from it is because the earth's gravitational field is forcing you back.
Put an apple in a towel - take the towel in your hand and swing it around like a mill. Did the apple fall out of the towel? No! Because you created gravitation.

When you get onto a really high tower, you will see a curvature on the horizon. Since the world is pretty big - bigger than just the United States of America ( there's continents like Africa and Europe and Asia and Antarctica ), that slight curvature that you see is part of a gigantic circle.

Also check Lunar Eclipses. Shadow of earth on moon is ROUND.

you might say the world is a disk, but then there would be no gravitational force.

Sigh, i guess if you want to believe that the earth is flat, it's your own choice. I just think it's ungratefull for all the people that have devoted their lives to scientific research and study, to not even check any proper books and just take christian/muslim propaganda as the truth.

Please read the entire thread and learn something before making a fool out of yourself.

I have lost any respect for religious people.

You have lost respect for yourself and God.

A god is created by the need of people to have an external conscience. Some people are too weak to be good just for their own conscience, that's why they need some imaginary guarddog in heaven that checks their behaviour, and will reward them with heaven if they are good. ( How unchristian is it to only be good because you know it will bring you to heaven later)

Try telling that to God when you are spending eternity in Hell with Satan.

Humans created religion to guide the masses to act civilized, as civilisation demands a code for behaviour. If anarchy, incest and murder are not a taboo, there is no chance for a civilisation. That's why they need an imaginary guy that always watches everybody, so everybody will always respect the moral code. This is not a bad invention. I'm just saying that intelligent people who aren't prone to kill or steal, should look reality in the eye, and make THIS world a better place.

God created everything. Get it right. Read the Bible for the truth.

Stop climate change for example. And before you reject the idea of climate change - read some proper books about that as well.

Try reading the threads here about climate change. Then post your comments there.

American christians are perceived all over the world as crazy zealots, intolerant, uneducated and unfree. Why do you think that is?

Because they are just atheist God mockers who hate God.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Put an apple in a towel - take the towel in your hand and swing it around like a mill. Did the apple fall out of the towel? No! Because you created gravitation.[...]

(i) But you say that the earth is flying round and round AND it is flying round the sun... so why don't we get thrown off it? - I can see the towel stops the apple from flying off, what stops us?
(ii)Can anyone create this "gravitation" with an apple and towel?
(iii) Does it have to be any special sort of apple?
(iv) I can see towels, what's gravitation look like?

[Necromancer]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Well, I believe the person who started this thread failed school, and was never loved as a child. We should pray for him because miracles work.

The Earth is round, the "god" in the sky did make it.

The Egyptians clearly defined everything in their writings, each of their gods personifies something.

Examples will follow:

Ra was the god of Sun (Ra personified the Sun)
Nut was the god of Sky
Amun was the god of Creation

Each of these gods have a back story to as why things were the way they were.

See, I read this post, everything. Quite frankly you kind of people, along with your fellow friends of West Boro Baptist, are what gives religion a bad name.
Face it. There are several things that came before "Christianity" and they all did the same thing, make up stories to explain the heavens. I'm not knocking anyone, at all. So hear me out.

The simple fact is this:
Romans had Gods for the wonders
Greeks had Gods for the wonders
Egyptians had Gods for the wonders

Are you telling me because a book that came after the fact makes them all wrong? I think not.

Just needed to clear this up, but I'm ready for all the hate and I'm possessed stuff.

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Well, I believe the person who started this thread failed school, and was never loved as a child. We should pray for him because miracles work.

The Earth is round, the "god" in the sky did make it.

The Egyptians clearly defined everything in their writings, each of their gods personifies something.

Examples will follow:

Ra was the god of Sun (Ra personified the Sun)
Nut was the god of Sky
Amun was the god of Creation

Each of these gods have a back story to as why things were the way they were.

See, I read this post, everything. Quite frankly you kind of people, along with your fellow friends of West Boro Baptist, are what gives religion a bad name.
Face it. There are several things that came before "Christianity" and they all did the same thing, make up stories to explain the heavens. I'm not knocking anyone, at all. So hear me out.

The simple fact is this:
Romans had Gods for the wonders
Greeks had Gods for the wonders
Egyptians had Gods for the wonders

Are you telling me because a book that came after the fact makes them all wrong? I think not.

Just needed to clear this up, but I'm ready for all the hate and I'm possessed stuff.

Please don't bring your God mocking here. Also I don't like your name.

[nogodbutanime]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

uhhhhhhhhhhh your math sucks.

for one, its not r2 its r^2. and r is in meters.

F = G M m / r^2

divide both sides by little m

F/m = a = G M / r^2

M is in kg, and r is in meters.

btw 62.5 is only tree times as much as 20 N/kg or m/s^2

Aha, now you're suddenly changing the formula to suit your argument! According to your logic, the original formula would have been: F = G(m^1 * m^2 / r^2) or F = G * m^3 / r^2, where you presumably take the mass of the biggest object because the smaller one is negligible in comparison.

No. You quoted the formula wrong. You uses m1 and m2 to show 2 different masses. your 1 and 2 are subscripts. i use m and M to show the 2 different masses. upper and lower case.
you uses r2. there is no r1 so the 2 cannot be a subscript.
the real formula i quoted is correct. look it up.

Nice try, I went to public school in Canada, and although my US counterparts may not know much about the metric system I know quite well that M is not the same as kg. That would be like saying that miles is in pounds.

Metres are a distance measurement
Kg are a weight measurement

Don't lie to us again.

what are you talking about? i in nowhere said kilogram is the same as meters. the m and M i am talking about are variables not units.

btw M is not meters, lower case m is meters. but do not confuse this with the m and M i used in the formula, they stand for mass. m is the smaller mass and M is the larger mass. i suppose i did leave room for an ambiguity.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

There's only one real formula you need to know:

3 nails + 1 man = 4 given

[toast]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

There's only one real formula you need to know:

3 nails + 1 man = 4 given

Yes. He was sent to us to pay for our sins that we were originally condemned to by God for taking an apple off a tree. God really screwed us when he gave us curiosity don't you think. So he created a curious being and told it not to do something without saying why and then punish us for something that is ultimately His fault.