[chopperjeff]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

WOW, really? Sorry, but I'll take thinking over faith any day. Faith is no pathway to truth. I'll be leaving now...bye!

Hello, sweetie, and welcome to our Godly forum (it would be very nice of you if you created your own introduction thread in the proper forum so we could get to know you a little better).

You seem confused about God sending false prophets (Ezekiel 14:9). False prophets are the one that sound reasonable, that's how we know they are false.

We here at the Landover Baptist Church prefer to believe what God wants us to believe rather than what "sounds reasonable."

1 Corinthians 1:19-21
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Yes.

No. (See the quote above).

[Basilissa]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

WOW, really? Sorry, but I'll take thinking over faith any day. Faith is no pathway to truth. I'll be leaving now...bye!

Faith is the only path to the truth.

I will pray for you, dear.

[chopperjeff]

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What truth?

Faith is the only path to the truth.

I will pray for you, dear.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

What truth?

A reasonable question, dear child. Please, see below for the answer.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

I didn't say anyone's beliefs are a joke. I said that the post was a joke, as it makes absolutely no sense. Perhaps I should have left the "this is a joke" part out, and just questioned the 3 proofs. But then I read some of the other posts where people jump in and completely agree with the 3 proofs, and thus I figured I might be missing something.

If the earth isn't flat how could Jesus see the whole world from the top of a mountain?

Matthew 4:8-9: 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Anyway, you should tell us more about yourself, Mr Jeff. What kind of liberal false church do you go to that encourages you to reason rather than accept God's word on faith?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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If the earth isn't flat how could Jesus see the whole world from the top of a mountain?

Isn't it funny how these atheists harp on an on about logic and reason and rational thinking, and yet their own assumptions betray their very highest values? It just makes more sense to trust the Holy Bible. It may not be logical (after all, if God made the sun on the fourth day, how were there days Genesis 1:14-19), but it's at least consistent:

If you believe the stories of Jesus, no matter how illogical they may seem, you will be spared an eternity of pain and suffering created just for those who decide to rely on logic and not faith (John 3:18).

[I Man Rastafari]

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It is well known that the Earth is not round like a ball or like a pear as I have also heard. Many disbelievers like to focus on the flat Earth and point out that there are mountains and hills and valleys. This is misdirection. No one with eyes really believes the Earth is flat. We can all see the hills and valleys so there is little flatness. One could say that the truth is that the Earth is built on a flat platform upon which there are hills and mountains. The only question is whether the Earth is round or square. I am of the opinion that the Earth has four corners so it is square. This is my overstanding and my belief and it is the belief of all who are saved through Rastafari.

[chopperjeff]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

Seems to me regardless of ones faith, accepting that the earth is a sphere is just common sense, and believing that it's a sphere in no way makes one evil, or condemned to burn in hell. ALL evidence and observations confirm a spherical earth. Also, from my understanding, there really is nothing in the bible that states the earth is flat. It's all up to how one interprets the bible.


The beginning of this thread was about the 3 "proofs" of a flat earth, was it not? THAT is the thing I was addressing. What you choose to believe in is up to the individual, and as long as a person is compassionate and loves their fellow man, then more power to you. I can certainly see the draw to believing in a higher power, but then why can't people who have a strong faith in their religion not see the draw of some to pursue the path of logic, and trying to understand the wonders of the universe thru science? It seems many theists are quick to put down the atheists, mocking their logical approach to things. It's as if we are expected to simply not question anything, and just have faith in the bible, and the work of god. Sorry, I can't do that. There are some good messages in the bible, but that's about it. And what is so bad about science? Thanks to science, we have cured many horrible diseases, and fed many thru agricultural advances, who would otherwise have starved. When you get ill, you go to the doctor, right? Why? Because thru many years of experiments, study, and figuring things out, the medical field has advanced to provide the curing of what ails us. None of this would have come about if it weren't for the logic applied.
Gets back to my original post, where I said the 3 "proofs" of a flat earth were a joke. And please note, I am ONLY saying the 3 "proofs" are a joke, NOT the people who are within this forum. I'm sure you are all wonderful, caring people! But if someone makes statements that are incredibly incorrect, is it so wrong to step up and say they are incorrect? If someone mis-quoted the bible, would you not step in and make the correction? Is it because I used logic against 3 statements that makes it all so bad? It's as if someone reads my posts about how wrong the 3 "proofs" are, and everyone goes off pointing fingers and screaming "Oh no! It's one of the atheists coming in here using logic! I just can't understand those people! Stay away!"
I may be an atheist, but I am not from the mindset of saying there is no god. My viewpoint is that there may be a god, may be numerous gods, may be no god at all. NOBODY REALLY KNOWS! I know, you are going to say "oh, but the bible says...". Yes, well, how 'bout the Quran? Maybe it's right and you're wrong. Maybe the Hindus have it right. Who knows? Maybe it's ALL wrong. That's actually what I'm banking on. For if there is a god, I bet he's far more complex than we could ever imagine, and god would not care one iota about who I sleep with, who I lust after, and whether or not I believe in him. That's my general take on it. Sorry for being so logical about it. That all said, if you believe, then fine, you believe. I fully understand why people choose that route.
Just stepped into this forum to get clear on the 3 "proofs" of a flat earth, which nobody seems to want to address.

It is well known that the Earth is not round like a ball or like a pear as I have also heard. Many disbelievers like to focus on the flat Earth and point out that there are mountains and hills and valleys. This is misdirection. No one with eyes really believes the Earth is flat. We can all see the hills and valleys so there is little flatness. One could say that the truth is that the Earth is built on a flat platform upon which there are hills and mountains. The only question is whether the Earth is round or square. I am of the opinion that the Earth has four corners so it is square. This is my overstanding and my belief and it is the belief of all who are saved through Rastafari.

[Alvin Moss]

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Mr. Jeff- Before I rebuke you, I must point out that while good Christians operate this site for the public good and to give normal Christians an opportunity to speak their minds, we do have a few rules we ask you to observe. One is that we ask that newcomers introduce themselves properly in the introduction forum. There we ask that you tell us of your walk with Jesus, who your Pastor is, what congregation you are a part of and any other pertinent information. Your failure to observe common decency is tantamount to walking into someone's home unannounced and attempting to engage them in conversation. Do please give us a proper introduction.

Now, as to your obvious sinful ignorance- You have intruded here like so many before you, filled with false pseudo science and anxious to explain how the world works. We see ten or twenty of you wretches a week. Your foolish attempt to interject "logic" into the conversation has failed miserably. No information you have imparted can be called logic. Besides the fact that you are just plain wrong, everything you said is simply your opinions, which you attempt to pass off as logic. You have offered no examples of proof of your ridiculous and dangerous theories, only speculation. Moreover, you are completely wrong in your foolish opinions, which are based no nothing more substantial than your opinions. You have bored this august body and you have insulted the Lord God. If I was not so strongly against the use of strong language, I would say you are full of dung.

I would guess that you have earned yourself a place high on the Lord's smite list. Was I you, I believe I would get right with Jesus and quick. It's that or Hell. Don't go there; it's too hot.

[Basilissa]

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Seems to me regardless of ones faith, accepting that the earth is a sphere is just common sense,

You know what is the problem with common sense, dear? God hates it:

1 Corinthians 3:18-20
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

and believing that it's a sphere in no way makes one evil, or condemned to burn in hell.

Dear, the Holy Bible clearly states that the earth has four corners:

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

If you can show me a sphere that has four corners, I'll be inclined to believe you.

ALL evidence and observations confirm a spherical earth.

It doesn't matter. We believe in not what science tells us to believe, we believe in what God wants us to believe.

Also, from my understanding, there really is nothing in the bible that states the earth is flat. It's all up to how one interprets the bible.

Whoever told you so has never held a Bible in his/her hands. Aside from aforementioned Revelation 7:1, here are a couple of others:

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

Best to my knowledge, spheres do not have ends.

Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Here we have four corners, again.

The beginning of this thread was about the 3 "proofs" of a flat earth, was it not? THAT is the thing I was addressing.

Exactly. And we will not be fooled by folks like you who come here with so-called "evidence" to the contrary.

Sorry for skipping the rest of your post, but boring long rants bore me.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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Hello, Jeff, I see that you are a very passionate person. Let me address some of your concerns:

It seems many theists are quick to put down the atheists, mocking their logical approach to things. It's as if we are expected to simply not question anything, and just have faith in the bible, and the work of god.

Yes, exactly, that's the point of every religion, not just Christianity: you have to surrender your ability to think logically, and instead you are required to wholly accept and blindly follow the doctrine of the religion of your choosing.

Sorry, I can't do that. There are some good messages in the bible, but that's about it.

Which of the many messages of the Bible are you referring to? Are you thinking about misogyny, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, cruelty towards children, sexual abuse of minors, genocide of entire nations for not following the Word of God, or maybe oppression of people including but not limited to slavery? Because these seem to be the main messages that the Bible carries.

And what is so bad about science? Thanks to science, we have cured many horrible diseases, and fed many thru agricultural advances, who would otherwise have starved.

If it was not for agriculture there would be less population, no starvation, no diseases of civilization (from plagues to diabetes), and much less warfare and gender inequality. I suppose that's a subject for another rant, though.

When you get ill, you go to the doctor, right? Why? Because thru many years of experiments, study, and figuring things out, the medical field has advanced to provide the curing of what ails us.

Based on my ethnographic observations of the Landover community, they do not go to the doctors but rather pray away their sicknesses. Interestingly, their point of view seems to be more and more ingrained in the mainstream American culture, as more and more parents reject science and decide not to vaccinate their children, thus leaving their fate to God and not science.

I may be an atheist, but I am not from the mindset of saying there is no god. My viewpoint is that there may be a god, may be numerous gods, may be no god at all. NOBODY REALLY KNOWS!

That makes you an agnostic, not an atheist.

For if there is a god, I bet he's far more complex than we could ever imagine, and god would not care one iota about who I sleep with, who I lust after, and whether or not I believe in him.

If you ever create a religion based on this belief of yours, I'd like to study it - based on how my field study has been going so far, this lovely community will shun me as soon as they see the first draft of my dissertation, so I'll be in need of another religious community to study!

[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

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Seems to me regardless of ones faith, accepting that the earth is a sphere is just common sense, and believing that it's a sphere in no way makes one evil, or condemned to burn in hell...

Pretending God isn't real won't make Him go away. Deep down, you know He exists and you know you'll be punished for what you're doing. How can you live in denial of reality?

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves.
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Thanks to the Bible, I can read your mind. Doesn't that give you goosebumps?

[chopperjeff]

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"false pseudo science"? Really? What pseudo science? Name one thing I've said that was false. "failure to observe common decency", again, really? Did I not start with a simple observation of one post that was spouting out 3 false "proofs"? Is it indecent to simply attempt to educate others? Then you state "anxious to explain how the world works". Once again, really? When did I ever state anything in trying to explain how the world works? Again, just pointing out the errors in the 3 obvious errors in the 3 proofs this whole thread started on. Then you say I'm wrong, and everything I say is of my opinions. Well yes, my take on god is my opinion. But so what? Am I really that evil to...oh...wait a minute...never mind...yes...in your mind, anyone who does not believe in god, and in fact, the exact SAME god YOU believe in is indeed evil, and wrong. Yeah, OK, and to think that I'M the one who is ignorant! Yeah, right! Then you say "You have offered no examples of proof of your ridiculous and dangerous theories". Once again, really?!?!? You call MY theories ridiculous, and even dangerous!?!?!? WOW!!!! AGAIN, I began with pointing out the error of the initial 3 "proofs" presented in the beginning of this thread. THAT'S IT!!!
I also stated in my last post how I believe all here are good people, and owned up to my take on things regarding religion and beliefs, and stating how I can see why people like to believe in a god.
It's amazing when someone like you rambles on, insulting someone for saying things that I NEVER SAID!!!! You're calling me ignorant, with dangerous ideas, and boring everyone here. REALLY? Do you try to piss people off, or is it just your nature?
As far as what someone said about me being an agnostic, as I'm not sure about god, and therefore not an atheist, I view the definitions this way...the terms atheism and theism deal with beliefs, whereas agnostic deals with knowing. So, in other words, an atheist does not BELIEVE in a god, and a theist BELIEVES in a god. An agnostic does not KNOW if there is a god, and a nostic KNOWS there is one. So one deals with beliefs, the other with knowing. If I just don't know if there is a god or not, then how would I possibly believe in one? I think the two go hand in hand.
Anyways, back to the berating person...sorry if I've ruffled your feathers so much.


But, AGAIN...I WAS JUST POINTING OUT THE FOOLISHNESS OF THE SO CALLED 3 PROOFS!!!! THAT'S IT!!!! Why is that so hard to get over?


Christ, what if my initial post was simply "Hey, these 3 proofs are not accurate. I'd like to clear this up". Would that have sparked this huge outrage?


But let's get back to the fervor that you feel I've created. Wouldn't it be nice if religion actually brought people together instead of separating them? You get people like you who throw rocks at anyone who does not bow down to the god that you believe in. Is that really a way to get all people to get along with each other? It's like what the ISIS people are doing, with their whole Jihad stuff, and death to anyone who does not believe in the same invisible being they believe in. I'm sorry, but going threw life with blinders on, shunning, and condemning all that believe in something other than what you believe in is NOT going to promote goodwill amongst all! And to think that you call MY thoughts dangerous?!??


As an atheist I see all of us as being equal, with each of us pursuing a life that hopefully leads to fulfillment, AND a compassion to our fellow man. You have your way, I have mine. If you are to say that I'm ignorant, or saying something out of line, then by all means point out the specifics, and we can dig into it and deal with it. You want to call me dangerous in my ideas, and ignorant, and wrong, with not ONE specific point to back it up, then so be it! Sorry, but I cannot address such ludicrous, and insulting statements! WOW, and to think that I'M the one you think is a bore, and dangerous, and ignorant. REALLY?


Oh well. Have a nice day. Be at peace, and try not to go out of your way to hurt anyone. Oh wait...oops...too late! You've already basically insulted and belittled me. If that was your goal, then congratulations, you've succeeded. Hope you feel good about that. Good job tearing someone down with not one specific point. But what the heck, in your mind I'm a non-believer, and probably not even worth spitting on.


You know what though? In my atheist viewpoint, I bet you're a good person deep down. You mean well, probably lead a great life. Must just be all that faith stuff getting in the way of truly accepting others as they are. Maybe you should re-read the part about "love thy neighbor".


Didn't mean to step on your toes. But once again... AREN'T THOSE 3 PROOFS IN THE BEGINING OF THIS THREAD TOTALLY WRONG!!!
My god, that was my initial point. HELLO!!!!!


Peace!

Mr. Jeff- Before I rebuke you, I must point out that while good Christians operate this site for the public good and to give normal Christians an opportunity to speak their minds, we do have a few rules we ask you to observe. One is that we ask that newcomers introduce themselves properly in the introduction forum. There we ask that you tell us of your walk with Jesus, who your Pastor is, what congregation you are a part of and any other pertinent information. Your failure to observe common decency is tantamount to walking into someone's home unannounced and attempting to engage them in conversation. Do please give us a proper introduction.

Now, as to your obvious sinful ignorance- You have intruded here like so many before you, filled with false pseudo science and anxious to explain how the world works. We see ten or twenty of you wretches a week. Your foolish attempt to interject "logic" into the conversation has failed miserably. No information you have imparted can be called logic. Besides the fact that you are just plain wrong, everything you said is simply your opinions, which you attempt to pass off as logic. You have offered no examples of proof of your ridiculous and dangerous theories, only speculation. Moreover, you are completely wrong in your foolish opinions, which are based no nothing more substantial than your opinions. You have bored this august body and you have insulted the Lord God. If I was not so strongly against the use of strong language, I would say you are full of dung.

I would guess that you have earned yourself a place high on the Lord's smite list. Was I you, I believe I would get right with Jesus and quick. It's that or Hell. Don't go there; it's too hot.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

"false pseudo science"? Really? [lots of irrelevancies and no Scripture]

But, AGAIN...I WAS JUST POINTING OUT THE FOOLISHNESS OF THE SO CALLED 3 PROOFS!!!! THAT'S IT!!!! Why is that so hard to get over?

Christ [Oh, Sweet Jesus,he's calling your name in vain ; Exodus 20:7], what if my initial post was simply "Hey, these 3 proofs are not accurate. I'd like to clear this up". Would that have sparked this huge outrage?

AREN'T THOSE 3 PROOFS IN THE BEGINING OF THIS THREAD TOTALLY WRONG!!!
My god, that was my initial point. HELLO!!!!!


Peace!

Well, dear child, isn't it nice that you and this wall of text (obviously I did not read it except the places I am referring to) end on a peaceful note. Sadly, also this opposes the teachings of Jesus.

Matthew 10:3
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Yes, your ideas are foolish pseudoscience. On this BOTH (you seem to like capital letters so I'm humoring you ) the Bible and the atheist science, which you seem to take as a belief system instead of as a method for acquiring knowledge as is SHOULD (capital letters ) be taken, agree.

You cannot rely on your senses, nor on your memory. Your senses fool you. You are given input but your brain messes it up. You form false memories, your twist the data based on your inadequate brain (because of Genesis 3:6) and your preconceptions. You've been indoctrinated into seeing a "round" Earth. This is a novel invention and previous generations had no trouble at all seeing the Earth as the Bible teaches it to be,

Atheists declare: Do NOT () trust your senses or memory!

The Bible tells us the same:

Isaiah 66:4
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

These verses mean that unbelief in God makes this secular phenomenon of unreliable cognitive faculties even worse.God deceives sinners deeper into sin. God punishes those who trespass from Biblical teachings by fooling their senses even further. I believe that you are sincere: You actually see the delusion of the round Earth. You think you cannot help it but you can. You can see through this delusion that is there to test your Faith by turning to Jesus and CHOOSING () Him first. Then, gradually, the veil of ignorance will be lifted and you can once again see the World in the form God Created it.

It is not only your senses but the education that you've received. It gives you certain preconceptions that you resist giving up. This is called confirmation bias. You cling on the few pieces of data that apparently support the "round Earth" and fail to see the negative data that do not support your conclusions. There is plenty of that: it is called the Bible. As it is the Word of God, it outbalances and surpasses the isolated scattered articles in peer-reviewed journals that suggest a "round Earth".

Jesus can lift the veil if you only let Him. Think about the Ultimate Reward of Heaven for Eternity and I'm sure you'll repent and discard your foolish notions!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Alvin Moss]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

And still there is no proper introduction from this rude fellow.