[twopatos]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Yes, I am allowed to reference it because it's evidence you can see with your own eyes. I thought you atheist scientist types were all big on that...."show me and I'll believe it".

Now, you cannot compare a train and the earth. It's a false comparison. Because when you are on a train you are inside. But when you are on the Earth, you are outside. Now, stand on top of the same train and jump up -- what happens? -- you fall off and land far away from the train.

If you are outside, like on top of a train, or in the back of a truck, or standing on the Earth, you'll fall off. Simple as that.

Nice try. Let's pretend you are inside a train standing in the aisle, but someone has removed the roof. Are you trying to say that now, all the sudden, if you were to jump you would slam into the back of the train just because the roof was removed? That is evidence you can see with your own eyes.

Additionally, if you were on the back of a truck, you might fall off but only because of encountering a bunch of wind resistance that will slow you down. If we want to use the wind resistance argument, then the truth is that not only are you moving with the earth, very fast, but so is the wind. We are all moving at the same speed, just as if we were riding next to each other in a car. When you look over at me, you don't see me moving. But, if someone is standing on the road, they see us moving very fast. It's the same principle - We don't see "everything" moving because we are moving with it.

Now you're moving the goal posts. You said a balloon wasn't massive enough, so Brother Alex countered with the point you can use a heavy, dense rock, and now you're saying it's not massive enough.

The burden of proof is on you to show how and why a massive object creates this magical gravity energy. You are coming up with a claim that is contradictory to direct observation. Therefore, the burden of proof lies on you.

This is silly. Let's pretend the "answer" was 1,000 to a random question. Someone answers "1", and you say "no, it needs to be much bigger" and you then respond with "2". No. It needs to be much, much bigger. And you say "3". That is the type of logic you're using here.

I'll ignore gravity for the time being, since it really has little to do with the earth being flat.

The earth is supposedly about 25,000 miles in diameter, flat. The moon is probably about 500 miles away. We know the sun is 500 miles away. Now, Africa is much further away than 500 miles, don't you admit?

The math behind that 500 mile sun post is clearly executed by someone that has no education in basic math or science principles. He is leaving out very large chunks of math that I would be *happy* to explain (and prove) to you. The math doesn't make sense, and the most flagrant violation of reality is that he assumes the edge of the sun is on the edge of the troposphere.

Similar problems arise when discussing the "stars made of diamonds" theory, when he states that the speed of light traveling through a diamond is 77,000 miles per second. He then uses that 77,000 number to calculate the distance from earth. However, when the light is traveling between the "diamond" and the earth, it is not traveling through the diamond - but rather through space. Traveling through space yields the original 186,000 miles per second. Again, his math is just wrong on a basic and fundamental level. He then goes on to say that that's just an upper bound, and that it's "more likely" that God put the stars exactly 77,000 miles away so it would only take 1 second to reach here. Why would God care if it takes 1 second or 2 seconds or 50 seconds to reach here? He and the other gentleman are pulling random numbers out of their heads, and it's extremely easy to disprove. If they are allowed to use math to prove stuff, I am allowed to use math to disprove their stuff too.

Actually, most scientists who research the flat Earth have come to the conclusion that a thick ice sheet surrounds the Earth. This is known as Antarctica. So yes, people have been there. It's called Antarctica.

Where do you get this information from? Please cite the source where you saw "most scientists who research the flat Earth have come to the conclusion that a thick ice sheet surrounds the Earth". If you can't cite a source, you are just making this up to try to prove your point.

Let's pretend it is Antarctica - lots of posters have referenced "real" pictures of the ends of the earth. None of these pictures have ice. One of the pictures has a modern city. There are no modern cities in Antarctica. So either the picture is incorrect, or the end of the Earth is not in Antarctica. Which piece of evidence is wrong?

Additionally, if it is Antarctica, why are there no pictures of the "edge of the ice"? Are you trying to imply that not a single person has been able to reach it and take a picture? They could take pictures before (as shown by previous posters, if we assume those pictures are real). Why are there no pictures showing any ice?

Looks like you are trying to split hairs to me. Looking to Texas and looking south mean two different things. South is a general direction, Texas is an actual place.

You are missing the point. Saying "look to texas", or "look to the ends of the earth", or "look north" all mean the same basic thing. You are simply orienting your vision to point in the general direction of what you're talking about.

It's not in the Bible itself, but this is science based on the Bible. Using a bit of skepticism, logic, and deductional reasoning, one can conclude that intelligent pulling and falling are very real. Then again, lots of things aren't in the Bible. Cars are not in the Bible. Does that mean cars don't exist? Does that mean we don't believe in cars? Don't be silly.

Weird that it got left out. God talks about all kinds of stuff that are comparatively way more irrelevant than an all encompassing magical force that bends space and time. I would have thought he would have included that one...

For a forum dedicated to quoting the bible, and relying exclusively on what is in the bible for what is absolutely true, there is a lot of "well it's not in bible" going on here.

A perfect example is again the diamond star thing, where he says it's up to 6 billion miles away, but it's more likely that stars are only 77,000 miles away because "he thinks that's more reasonable". Since when have hard facts like distance between 2 objects been open to interpretation based them liking one number more than another number?

If you can't show me scripture that talks about this, then I'm going to consider it not part of God's plan for the universe.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Hello two potatoes,

All I can say is, you certainly do A LOT of pretending.

God however never pretends and the KJV1611 is THE TRUTH and not pretense.

So your pretend theories mean nothing.

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

[twopatos]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

The centre of the disk is known as the North Pole. And Rev. Jim Osborne already explained to you the edge of the disc is called Antarctica. God put a huge magnet on the North Pole to make it easier for all of us to navigate. This is how we determine where North and South are.

Another easy way to prove that the Earth is really a disk is by looking at a map of the Earth. Since Earth is a disk and most map makers change it into a rectangle they have to stretch out everything close to the North Pole to make the map the shape of a rectangle. If you take something that is on top of the map it will seem much bigger. For example Greenland and Africa seem almost the same size on a regular rectangular map while in reality Africa (11,668,598.7 sq mi) is 14 times larger than Greenland (836,109 sq mi)! If you do not believe me, just look up the size of Greenland and Africa on your favorite website!

I am certain that even atheists will now give up on this silly "Earth is a globe" myth.

You cannot say "look at a map" as proof of the earth being flat. There are many types of map projections. There are map projections where Africa is exactly represented at 14 times larger than Greenland. There are projections where it's 14 times smaller than Greenland. Map projections are arbitrary. In fact, go here to make your own custom map projection: http://www.flexprojector.com/

In the very map projection typically found on this forum, more than 16 Greenlands fit into Africa. Shown below are 16 (already more than your 14), with lots of extra room I didn't feel like filling. But we could probably get 3 or 4 more in there if we filled in the gaps. So, all map projections are wrong, including your flat earth one. How is that possible?



The only exact projection that works is on a globe. Everything else will cause distortion. How is it possible that the only representation of the Earth that keeps exact areas (the size of land masses) perfect is a sphere?

[twopatos]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Hello two potatoes,

All I can say is, you certainly do A LOT of pretending.

God however never pretends and the KJV1611 is THE TRUTH and not pretense.

So your pretend theories mean nothing.

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

All I can say is that I've asked, repeatedly, for scripture to back up several theories here and the only thing I've heard is "well, that's not in the bible actually". So, if the KJV1611 is THE TRUTH, then give me some scripture to back up intelligent falling and all the other things that have been shown as evidence of what happens when someone approaches the "edge of the earth" but never notices it.

If those items are not in scripture, then as I said before, they can be considered to be flawed. You would clearly agree with this since the KJV1611 is the end all be all in truth.

I invite you to enlighten me where god talks about those phenomenon. Please, help me change my mind.

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

All I can say is that I've asked, repeatedly, for scripture to back up several theories here and the only thing I've heard is "well, that's not in the bible actually". So, if the KJV1611 is THE TRUTH, then give me some scripture to back up intelligent falling and all the other things that have been shown as evidence of what happens when someone approaches the "edge of the earth" but never notices it.

I have never read any scriptures concerning intelligent design, but we know there are plenty of fundamentalists who teach that as a viable scientific theory.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

All I can say is that I've asked, repeatedly, for scripture to back up several theories here and the only thing I've heard is "well, that's not in the bible actually". So, if the KJV1611 is THE TRUTH, then give me some scripture to back up intelligent falling and all the other things that have been shown as evidence of what happens when someone approaches the "edge of the earth" but never notices it.

If those items are not in scripture, then as I said before, they can be considered to be flawed. You would clearly agree with this since the KJV1611 is the end all be all in truth.

I invite you to enlighten me where god talks about those phenomenon. Please, help me change my mind.

And all we have seen from you is your "pretending".

I know the earth is flat because I have flown a lot and I always fly across the world.

I for one am not stupid enough to jump on a train either, because it is not only un-lady like , but I usually have my nose in my Bible rather than even entertaining such hooliganism.

Lastly, I live in Australia and if the earth was a sphere I would have fallen off by now.. and surprise surprise, I have not!

Perhaps before you ask any more stupid questions, you should read True Disciples writings on this. He smashes secular satanic science theories one fact at a time!!

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

In the very map projection typically found on this forum, more than 16 Greenlands fit into Africa. Shown below are 16 (already more than your 14) ... How is that possible?

I am glad to see your research confirms what I already stated. Unlike what regular rectangular maps claim, Greenland is not the same size as Africa. This is clearly caused by the Earth being flat with the North Pole being in the center and Antarctica being on the edge. This means you have to stretch everything near the North Pole to get to a conventional rectangular map.

As to the 14 or 16, I fail to see why that is so importance about the exact number there. This difference could easily be caused by small inaccuracies in the map or the measurements, the fact that mountains make the measurements less accurate, etc. Africa is very big so determining it's exact size must be quite a challenge. Especially since everyone there will try to kill you for various reasons while you are just trying to do your measurements.

[twopatos]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

<plants face in palm>

I am glad to see your research confirms what I already stated. Unlike what regular rectangular maps claim, Greenland is not the same size as Africa. This is clearly caused by the Earth being flat with the North Pole being in the center and Antarctica being on the edge. This means you have to stretch everything near the North Pole to get to a conventional rectangular map.

You are missing the point. Your point is that rectangular maps "don't make sense" because they have to be distorted. My point is that even your map "requires distortion" - in fact ALL maps require distortion - EXCEPT globe maps which get proportions perfect. My point is BOTH traditional maps and your flat map are WRONG. The GLOBE is correct.

Additionally, I hope you aren't basing your area values for Greenland and Africa on "scientific numbers" (you are) because I guarantee those values were arrived it by a satellite and not some guy with a tape measure running across Africa.


To Wintersnow, though you might not be upside down, your blood has all gone to your head. Keep to yourself. Thanks.

[Brother Alex]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

In the very map projection typically found on this forum, more than 16 Greenlands fit into Africa. Shown below are 16 (already more than your 14), with lots of extra room I didn't feel like filling. But we could probably get 3 or 4 more in there if we filled in the gaps. So, all map projections are wrong, including your flat earth one. How is that possible?

This isn't Africa, it's South America.

This is Africa:

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

This isn't Africa, it's South America.

Ah, that would also explain why his numbers are off. Thank you for explaining this.

[twopatos]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Fair enough. It was 4am, and I wasn't paying excessive attention. It does not, however, explain why the numbers are off. As South America is smaller than Africa, over 21 Greenland masses would fit into Africa, which is well over your 14. So, this actually more proves my point that this cannot be the true map because it is so wildly distorted.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Fair enough. It was 4am, and I wasn't paying excessive attention.

Indeed.

Now that you have started paying attention, do you now finally agree that Earth has to be flat?

BTW several of your Greenlands are overlapping each other. Also they are on top of lakes, oceans etc. This probably explains why your numbers are getting even worse.

[twopatos]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Now that you have started paying attention, do you now finally agree that Earth has to be flat?

Um. No. My error actually proved my point less than what it proved when it wasn't an error. So now that it's fixed, it further proves my point that this map is not the real map.

BTW several of your Greenlands are overlapping each other. Also they are on top of lakes, oceans etc. This probably explains why your numbers are getting even worse.

While there are a few minor overlaps, there is also a lot of space I did not cover at all. Way more than the overlaps. It might not be perfect, but it's definitely not anywhere even close to 14. You cannot think a few small overlaps accounts for a 50% increase in how big it should be. This map is way, way, way off.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

While there are a few minor overlaps

I would not call creating completely new countries "a few minor overlaps".

For example, this is what the North of Africa really looks like:

This is what you made up:

Here I marked the completely new countries you invented:

[Dirk]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Fair enough. It was 4am, and I wasn't paying excessive attention.

So you looking for excuses now? We caught you lying and trying to twist the truth to your own advantage but it failed. You really are a person without a backbone! You are a spineless atheist who needs to refer to 4AM, were you hoping for compassion? Not here buddy, we only serve God.