[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

am I really whining or stating observations? In fact this thread has very little to do with "the good lord". It's mostly about animals and if they feel pain or not.

We have dominion over animals. That means we should dominate them. Would a loving and existent God tell us to dominate something that can feel pain as a result of it?

Genesis 1:26-28

King James Version (KJV)

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

[CommonSensei]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

"A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel"

“If a bird's nest chance to be before thee in the way in any tree, or on the ground, whether they be young ones, or eggs, and the dam [mother] sitting upon the young, or upon the eggs, thou shalt not take the dam [mother] with the young. But thou shalt in any wise let the dam [mother] go, and take the young to thee; that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days.”

be nice to animals...

And this one is less for the animals and more for the people...

“And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.”

less hate, God will make you dread each minute of your existence should you continue to shame his sacrifice.

You think your false prayers can rescue your soul, though you fail to realise the true nature of Christs unwavering and fantastic power.

Each word you utter in hate, and for each soul you curse with your vitriol and lies. Each second you sin, sin again - then turn away from your actions, and hide in the crowd of the dogs you lie with.

Every second that ticks by, you draw closer to feeling the cold blade of The Messiah piercing your wretched blackened hearts.

He will return, and he will right your wrongs.

There will be no end of your suffering. No boundary of your pain and afflictions. Freehold is the home of the snake of Eden, the poisonous betrayer who deceived the first of us away from beautiful Eden. You who are calling yourselves 'True' will be reckoned by Jesus Christ and only in your fear and pain, will you know the gravity of your error.

May God have mercy on your souls


Amen.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

"A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel"

“If a bird's nest chance to be before thee in the way in any tree, or on the ground, whether they be young ones, or eggs, and the dam [mother] sitting upon the young, or upon the eggs, thou shalt not take the dam [mother] with the young. But thou shalt in any wise let the dam [mother] go, and take the young to thee; that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days.”

be nice to animals...

And this one is less for the animals and more for the people...

“And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.”

less hate, God will make you dread each minute of your existence should you continue to shame his sacrifice.

You think your false prayers can rescue your soul, though you fail to realise the true nature of Christs unwavering and fantastic power.

Each word you utter in hate, and for each soul you curse with your vitriol and lies. Each second you sin, sin again - then turn away from your actions, and hide in the crowd of the dogs you lie with.

Every second that ticks by, you draw closer to feeling the cold blade of The Messiah piercing your wretched blackened hearts.

He will return, and he will right your wrongs.

There will be no end of your suffering. No boundary of your pain and afflictions. Freehold is the home of the snake of Eden, the poisonous betrayer who deceived the first of us away from beautiful Eden. You who are calling yourselves 'True' will be reckoned by Jesus Christ and only in your fear and pain, will you know the gravity of your error.

May God have mercy on your souls


Amen.

Now listen here young lady. You obviously are upset about something and are taken out your venom on us True Christians. My guess is that it's your hormones. Are you typing this from your menstrual hut?

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Animals are there for our need, they are a there for food or to be used as labor saving devices.

Food

Deuteronomy 22:6
If a bird's nest chance to be before thee in the way in any tree, or on the ground, whether they be young ones, or eggs, and the dam sitting upon the young, or upon the eggs, thou shalt not take the dam with the young:

If you take them all then the food supply will run out. This is not about loving the 'cute little birdies' this is about managing the stock.

Labour

Proverbs 12:10
A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.

This is the equivalent of keeping your car serviced, nothing more. Just sensible advice.


That is why God killed the animals of Egypt. It was just like taking away their farm machinery. If animals felt pain do you believe that our loving God would have killed them?

Psalm 135:8
Who smote the firstborn of Egypt, both of man and beast.


I must point out that I was quoting from the famous Christian apologist William Lane Craig's website. Maybe you should aim you spite towards him. Get all your fluffy bunny friends to do the same for all I care. Here is the link.


YIC

Jack

[CommonSensei]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

First off if I was a woman, surely I would not understand science so this explanation is a waste of our time? or did you forget that women are not intelligent enough to use supposedly fake science. You screwed yourself twice there in one go well done.

Also I am not a woman...

Wrong again. perhaps you should consult God how to tell the difference but I am a man. Yes a man, and more than that, a man who isn't afraid of false prophets and blasphemers.

You quote the bible as if from memory, though I can guess you are sat there with a copy in reference. Thing is though, there is a difference between reading a book and UNDERSTANDING what that book is meant to say.

Clearly you have just assumed all the bits the bible let's us think about. You haven't though it through at all on your own. Jesus cannot save you for you cut yourself from his grace... All this rubbish you couldn't be further from him.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

. Thing is though, there is a difference between reading a book and UNDERSTANDING what that book is meant to say.

By this you mean UNDERSTANDING what you would LIKE it to say. It is the word of God, it doesn't need interpretation.

Clearly you have just assumed all the bits the bible let's us think about. You haven't though it through at all on your own. Jesus cannot save you for you cut yourself from his grace... All this rubbish you couldn't be further from him.

What is there to think about? We have the word of God, no thinking is required.

YIC

Jack

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

Proverbs 26:3
A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

[CommonSensei]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

What is there to think about? We have the word of God, no thinking is required.

YIC

Jack

You were born and had to think in order to learn to read your Bible. So actually, though clearly IS required.

Please engage your brain before replying such nonsense as I would hate to think I am conversing with somebody who has no knowledge of the teachings of Christ or of the cycle of logical debate.

God asks many questions when he speaks to the first of us men through our Scriptures. They would have had to think about his advice and words, and then replied with THEIR OWN ANSWER which God then congratulates. So thought is vital to both biblical theology AND modern day life.

I would say that whomever taught you to not think taught you how to do the devils bidding without even realising. Very very sad I pity you.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

God asks many questions when he speaks to the first of us men through our Scriptures. They would have had to think about his advice and words, and then replied with THEIR OWN ANSWER which God then congratulates. So thought is vital to both biblical theology AND modern day life.

I would say that whomever taught you to not think taught you how to do the devils bidding without even realising. Very very sad I pity you.

I'm in exactly the same situation as you are. I don't know what you are talking about either.

Knowledge of the word of God is essential. Thinking about it's meaning is not. God's words are clear.

Proverbs 10:8
The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.

YIC

Jack

[CommonSensei]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

don't know what you are talking about

Jack

Well considering that 10 minutes ago you said God told you not to think about anything I am hardly surprised at that!

Go away and get yourself a proper education, then read the Bible AGAIN this time THINKING AND LEARNING about Jesus and his teachings of love and compassion. THEN we will talk.

I can tell you were home schooled by peasants, because you literally have nothing in your head at all. Just phrases from a book you can't fathom said out of context and interpreted all wrong. The way YOU like it ISN'T the way it is.

Jesus isn't going to burn you though, he KNOWS of your ignorance and will forgive once you THINK IT OVER AND REPENT as it says in the Bible

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

Just phrases from a book you can't fathom said out of context and interpreted all wrong. The way YOU like it ISN'T the way it is.

If you can point out anything that a True Christian has posted out of context then please tell us.

Jesus isn't going to burn you though, he KNOWS of your ignorance and will forgive once you THINK IT OVER AND REPENT as it says in the Bible

Where does it say in the Bible that the ignorant are saved?

YIC

Jack

[CommonSensei]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

Where does it say in the Bible that the ignorant are saved?

YIC

Jack

It doesn't specify 'ignorance' or 'wit' it clearly states WE ARE ALL GOD'S CHILDREN. In fact it doesn't say no niggers or gays or anybody else. READ IT PROPERLY without your rancid and incendiary propaganda.

ALL. All is a very simple word please look it up should you not know it.

ALL means 'Mutually exclusive to include EVERYBODY'.

Read the Bible there are many many examples, and fortunately since I am not your mumma you can read it yourself. Don't be lazy now Jesus already knows you are a liar now an apathetic lazy one too! Stoke that Hellfire...

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

It doesn't specify 'ignorance' or 'wit' it clearly states WE ARE ALL GOD'S CHILDREN. In fact it doesn't say no niggers or gays or anybody else. READ IT PROPERLY without your rancid and incendiary propaganda.

ALL. All is a very simple word please look it up should you not know it.

ALL means 'Mutually exclusive to include EVERYBODY'.

Read the Bible there are many many examples, and fortunately since I am not your mumma you can read it yourself. Don't be lazy now Jesus already knows you are a liar now an apathetic lazy one too! Stoke that Hellfire...

My, my, we are having a hissy fit aren't we?

Since it's so clear maybe you could post the scripture?

YIC

Jack

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

I believe he has gone to try and find his fluffy ideas written down in the Bible.

Like Captain Oats he may be gone some time.


YIC

Jack

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

I believe he has gone to try and find his fluffy ideas written down in the Bible.

Like Captain Oats he may be gone some time.


YIC

Jack

He's just yet another hateful atheist with his own opinions he thinks are so important and absolutely no scripture to back them up.

Deuteronomy 22:6-7 If a bird's nest happens to be before you in the way in any tree, or on the ground, whether they are young ones, or eggs, and the mother sitting upon the young, or upon the eggs, you shall not take the mother with the young: But thou shalt in any wise let the dam go, and take the young to thee; that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days.

This has nothing to do with being kind. This is simple resource management. If you leave the adults then after a while they will lay more eggs and then you can raid the nest again. Taking the adults as well is short term thinking.

What was that about the difference between reading and understanding again? In context with the principle of dominating dumb animals and using them for food or bearers of burdens it's easy.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

...THINK IT OVER AND REPENT as it says in the Bible

My Bible has nothing about "THINK IT OVER", just "REPENT".

Could you please provide book, chapter and verse for that?