[Eddie James]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

[QUOTE=Mary Etheldreda;1014396]

Friend, you can repeat this lie as often as you want, but it doesn't make it the truth.


I actually agree with this, except the truth is with me. Your country believes me, as does all of Europe, South America, North America, china to name a few

Believe in what you like. The truth is there for you all to see, it makes no difference whether your ignorant to it or not. Truth is truth, and your religious idea of the bible will never change the truth.

Regards

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

I actually agree with this, except the truth is with me. Your country believes me, as does all of Europe, South America, North America, china to name a few

Believe in what you like. The truth is there for you all to see, it makes no difference whether your ignorant to it or not. Truth is truth, and your religious idea of the bible will never change the truth.

Regards

Finally, you've uttered something that is not completely 17th-century dead barrister existentialist drek.

"Sanctify them through Thy Truth; Thy Word is Truth" (John 17:17)

The Bible never changes because Truth never changes. We are preaching Truth. Your "truth" has its origins in pedophilic Greeks who are long-since dead (as you will soon be, and with no hope of redemption).

Why not adopt The Truth™ of Jesus Christ and live forever? Just admit that the teleological argument convinces you deep down. Just admit you secretly want to embrace the Savior. We won't go boasting victory all over the internet, friend.

Pastor Ed

[Eddie James]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

Finally, you've uttered something that is not completely 17th-century dead barrister existentialist drek.

"Sanctify them through Thy Truth; Thy Word is Truth" (John 17:17)

The Bible never changes because Truth never changes. We are preaching Truth. Your "truth" has its origins in pedophilic Greeks who are long-since dead (as you will soon be, and with no hope of redemption).

Why not adopt The Truth™ of Jesus Christ and live forever? Just admit that the teleological argument convinces you deep down. Just admit you secretly want to embrace the Savior. We won't go boasting victory all over the internet, friend.

Pastor Ed

The bible never changes???
Ha, you read an adaptation yourself, that was purposely changed to suite the loins of a King
There are numerous parts of the bible that have been taken out, replaced and altered, king Henry the Viii did it to get divorced, king James did it.
Where are the lost chapters?
Not changed my ass
I do adopt the truth, the truth of reality, with evidence, science, and secularism

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

It is taken for granted by Christians, as well as many atheists, that a universal negative cannot be proven. In this case, that universal negative is the statement that the Christian God does not exist. One would have to have omniscience, they say, in order to prove that anything does not exist. I disagree with this position, however, because omniscience is not needed in order to prove that a thing whose nature is a self-contradiction cannot, and therefore does not exist.

I do not need a complete knowledge of the universe to prove to you that cubic spheres do not exist. Such objects have mutually-exclusive attributes which would render their existence impossible. For example, a cube, by definition, has 8 corners, while a sphere has none. These properties are completely incompatible: they cannot be held simultaneously by the same object. It is my intent to show that the supposed properties of the Christian God Yahweh, like those of a cubic sphere, are incompatible, and by so doing, to show Yahweh's existence to be an impossibility.

Before we can discuss the existence of a thing, we must define it. Christians have endowed their God with all of the following attributes: He is eternal, all-powerful, and created everything. He created all the laws of nature and can change anything by an act of will. He is all-good, all-loving, and perfectly just. He is a personal God who experiences all of the emotions a human does. He is all-knowing. He sees everything past and future.
God's creation was originally perfect, but humans, by disobeying him, brought imperfection into the world. Humans are evil and sinful, and must suffer in this world because of their sinfulness. God gives humans the opportunity to accept forgiveness for their sin, and all who do will be rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven, but while they are on earth, they must suffer for his sake. All humans who choose not to accept this forgiveness must go to hell and be tormented for eternity.


What did God do during that eternity before he created everything? If God was all that existed back then, what disturbed the eternal equilibrium and compelled him to create? Was he bored? Was he lonely? God is supposed to be perfect. If something is perfect, it is complete--it needs nothing else. We humans engage in activities because we are pursuing that elusive perfection, because there is disequilibrium caused by a difference between what we are and what we want to be. If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.

When the vain deceit of philosophy is used Colossians 2:8 pitfalls abound. The first one occurs, in your case, very early. The definitions you have are not valid in this context. They derive from something called Euclidian geometry which is of a somewhat limited application. In other dimensional frameworks - and when discussing God we are ipso facto discussing all possible frames of reference whether we are aware of them or not - those definitions do not apply at all. What you are trying to do is to refute some property of triangles or octagons using the language of points and lines (and rays, I suppose I should mention) which cannot be done. Triangles have more properties than length. So do octogons. A line may be defined as the locus of a point (that is not Euclid's definition by the way) and in that theatre no such concept as width may exist. And yet that is the essential difference between lines, rays & points and the geometry of planes.

Then somewhere else you got started on “a thing whose nature is a self-contradiction cannot, and therefore does not exist” which would mean, in your tiny world, that nothing exists since according to the nitwits you are quoting subatomic particles fail that test and therefore do not exist. And therefore you do not exist.

And yet you do.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

[ScienceisforFools]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

I can also do the same thing you have just done:

(Shortened version)

[Didymus Much]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

I have offered nothing this forum hasn't seen before...

FTFY.

Read Ms. Lizalor's deconstruction of your points again. You may learn something.

...As an atheist, I'm still thankful for your prayers, whether I believe they work or not

Why? As an atheist, you know they don't work, and therefore have an efficiency of ZERO. Anything that consumes resources with no perceptible benefit is bad for the rest of humanity that has to share this planet with you.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

Why? As an atheist, you know they don't work, and therefore have an efficiency of ZERO. Anything that consumes resources with no perceptible benefit is bad for the rest of humanity that has to share this planet with you.

Do you see, even other atheists do not agree with you, Mr. Much. Most atheists still respect prayer because they still respect Christianity. Deep in their souls they know what direction Good can be found (Romans 2:14-15). Not every atheist has hardened his heart unto the LORD.

But there is Good News! There's still time for you, dear.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

Do you see, even other atheists do not agree with you, Mr. Much. Most atheists still respect prayer because they still respect Christianity. Deep in their souls they know what direction Good can be found (Romans 2:14-15). Not every atheist has hardened his heart unto the LORD.

But there is Good News! There's still time for you, dear.

I am so revolted when I read feminist propaganda such as posted by atheists, noodleheads, even mohammedans with their anti-Bible liberalist view of the subject & I won't even mention Zoroastrians such as Freddie Mercury who take pride in their own beslutment source

Unlike the faux atheist, Mrs Etheldreda, I do not respect "prayer" because it is "prayer" but because it is effective. And prayers to the moon or to Japanese motor cars or tomato purée are not effective indeed I'd have thought they'd actually be counter productive:

Ezekiel 23:28-30 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated: And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms. I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols. KJV

Cause and effect: pray to idols BINGO! alienation of the mind

(I have hilighted the relevant passage in yellow) – indeed He has placed eternity in their hearts but a house divided against itself cannot endure (even Peter Peter Pumkin Eater knew this) and yet, with every opportunity offered from a loving Creator Revelation 3:16 the atheista reject that Love and so we know that, thank God, we will not have to share this world with them much longer and their arrogant pride will wither and fade. Well, in this last generation, I suspect the verb to abruptly extinguish is more apposite. Jesus rewards humility.

II Timothy 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: KJV

I CORINTHIANS 6
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. KJV

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[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

I can also do the same thing you have just done:

[video of horribly crippled retard deleted]

(Shortened version)

[video of horribly crippled retard deleted]

Are you seriously comparing that retarded dwarf Steven Hawkings with Jesus Christ, Savior of Mankind(c)?

Enjoy hell.

[corrector101]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

theres more evidence pointing the creation of the universe was a giant explosion.

The big bang wasnt an explosion, rather an expansion at a rapid rate, get your facts correct before you use them.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

The big bang wasnt an explosion, rather an expansion at a rapid rate, get your facts correct before you use them.

Well, I'm no physicist, but isn't any explosion simply an expansion of energy and debris at a rapid rate?

[Regens Kuechl]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

You people are so certain that god exists and you claim you know everything. I say claim because you have no evidence to back anything up. You have no physical evidence to prove god exists or that he even likes your church. If anything, he hates your church. You say read the bible or that the bible is proof enough. Well the bible could easily have been written by some random dude. For all we know christianity could have been a very successful cult. But that is just a hypothesis. There is NO proof to prove that christianity is a cult or that the bible was written by just some random dude. And there is no proof that proves god doesnt exist. But, neither is there proof that god exists or that anything you say is true. But of course if you can give me PHYSICAL PROOF OF GODS EXISTANCE, I will change my ideas and side with you.

The physical proof of gods existence is (drums please) PAPST FRANZISKUS.
You cant deny the fact that the Holy Father is very physical, and he is also gods governor on earth. If god were not real why would he need and how could he have appointed a viceregent ?
So you now got your craved for physical proof from me and I give you permission to share it with all doubters you know

[Basilissa]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

The physical proof of gods existence is (drums please) PAPST FRANZISKUS.
You cant deny the fact that the Holy Father is very physical, and he is also gods governor on earth. If god were not real why would he need and how could he have appointed a viceregent ?
So you now got your craved for physical proof from me and I give you permission to share it with all doubters you know

Book, chapter, verse, please!



(crickets)

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

The physical proof of gods existence is (drums please) PAPST FRANZISKUS.
You cant deny the fact that the Holy Father is very physical, and he is also gods governor on earth. If god were not real why would he need and how could he have appointed a viceregent ?
So you now got your craved for physical proof from me and I give you permission to share it with all doubters you know

The pope of Rome is proof of nothing except that your Mary-worshipping cult is controlled by satan, and he is the anti-christ.