[Asshat Turdhead]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

I came up with that number simply looking for a large number to disprove Brother Jon who though that for some reason numbers ended somewhere. I just got that number off of the internet because i knew there were lots of sand grains on Earth. I admit that my source may not have been correct, I was just trying to prove a point. But if you want a math war, i can meet you.

When calculating the angular difference between Alpha Centauri in January, and in July. The difference was .0001245 degrees. The avaerage being an angle of 60, 50, 1506 (astronomical angles are stated differently because one need a lot of digits for them to be any good). With that info, we draw a triangle. We assign one side as 1 AU (distance between Earth and the Sun) and we assign two angles in between the measured side. You take the one side is the average and the other is the average plus half of the angle difference (I really don't want to put it down again so lets called average angle A and the other angle using the law of cosines, we can figure out the second side as 265612.7 AU, which converted to light years is 4.2

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

I came up with that number simply looking for a large number to disprove Brother Jon who though that for some reason numbers ended somewhere. I just got that number off of the internet because i knew there were lots of sand grains on Earth. I admit that my source may not have been correct, I was just trying to prove a point.

So you wanted to prove Brother Jon wrong and ended up being completely wrong yourself...

But if you want a math war, i can meet you.

Ehm, not only did you already lose this "math war" by a factor 93.4, you just admitted to copying and pasting nonsense without bothering to check it. This clearly proves that nothing you post can be trusted, at all. If you want to become even remotely believable, you have to start doing some actual research before you post. Copy and pasting things form the Internet you don't understand does nothing but show your utter stupidity to the entire world. Entertaining, but in the end just completely pointless.

[Brother-Jon]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

I just got that number off of the internet because i knew there were lots of sand grains on Earth.

Looks like you got a degree off the internet too.
I know there are a lot of sand grains on earth, I don't need calculus or whatever to tell me that because God told us a long, long time before you did.
Again, Psalm 139:17-18 just in case you found it unimportant last time.
We're simply proving over and over that God is correct, His Infallible Word tells us everything we need to know and as believers in His Word, we don't fall prey to the silly traps of mathematics and telescopes, although I see why gays would be interested in them.
Why do you find it productive to argue? Are you so unhappy with yourself for being tricked into believing these continually failing systems of science that you feel the need to blame it on us? This has gotten way off topic of the 'mars' hoax...

[Asshat Turdhead]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

The actual number of grains of sand is not the point. If you are going to complain about me copying and pasting without checking, maybe you should not toss around the word theory without knowing the actual definition of the word. For a third time, i will give the definition of theory.

Theory: n
a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.

[Brother-Jon]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

I'm having a hard time finding anything about theories in The Bible, could you please provide scripture references? What version are you using, because we all use the KJV1611. This may be part of the issue...
Or perhaps there are other members following this thread that could point me to the correct book/verse?

[Asshat Turdhead]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

I am in fact in college gaining a degree in astrophysics. I was just getting a large number to prove to Pastor Edd that large numbers actually exist. I don't get it. Old man of Cranky is telling me to check my research on this sand counting thing and your telling me that its ridiculous to do so. Mathematics is absolute, it is always true, no matter what. Gods word will fail before 2+2 stops being 4 (analogy, not actually saying it will happen). mathemitics is to be trusted, because it never lies, you just have to be able to understand it.

The word theory does not come from the bible, in fact, no English word is defined in the bible. We as humans devise our own language and our own definitions. Just because the bible does not mention it, does not mean it is not important. The bible does not mention nuclear fission, and that very thing incinerated 100,000 people in Hiroshima when it was employed in a bomb. The bible does not mention meteors, and one cleared 1800 square miles of forest without even hitting the ground. the bible does not mention North America, yet many people here seem to be interested in it.

[Brother-Jon]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

I don't get it.

I don't get it either. Do you want to go to Hell?

Gods word will fail before 2+2 stops being 4

Well for your sake, I'll pray that it does.


Off to find a more positive and hopeful thread!

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

People in science tend to be extremely careful when it comes to calling things facts. In fact, nothing discovered in science has been called a fact (though the theory of the dirac sea comes pretty close). math is full of facts. 2+2=4, this is a fact, a thing that is true no matter what, for all time, 2+2 will equal 4. We tend to be more careful with theories, an example of this is Newtons theory of gravity. It was discovered that newtons equations would stop working when it comes to very dense objects, this is when it was "updated" by Einsteins theory of relativity. Relitivety makes the equations work under those conditions but newton's theories work everywhere else. They were used to correctly time when Hally's comet would pass earth the next time and all times after.

The heliocentric model of the solar system is not even a theory anymore, it is a fact. Supported by Galileo, further explained by Newton, and finally proven by Kepler. There is no one on Earth (besides a few thousand, some of which use this very site) who still refutes this.

The dictionary definition of theory:
a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.

Scientists will only call their own machinations "facts" but never what is in the Bible. Is that fair? Is it fair to call what is in God's book myths? They mock the talking snake of Genesis and Balaam's donkey. Why must you always hold to the position that the Devil finds delightful?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

Scientists will only call their own machinations "facts" but never what is in the Bible. Is that fair? Is it fair to call what is in God's book myths? They mock the talking snake of Genesis and Balaam's donkey. Why must you always hold to the position that the Devil finds delightful?

Amen, Pastor. The secular scienticians all claim that science is "true" and "factual," but their "facts" change all the time. 100 years ago, it was a "fact" than man could not fly. Now we fly all the time.

God never changes. Never.

Malachi 3:6, “For I am the LORD, I change not..."

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

I am in fact in college gaining a degree in astrophysics.

There is something very wrong with you, that college or, most probably, both.

Old man of Cranky is telling me to check my research on this sand counting thing and your telling me that its ridiculous to do so.

Yet we both have the same goal here. Getting you to use your brain.

Mathematics is absolute, it is always true, no matter what. Gods word will fail before 2+2 stops being 4 (analogy, not actually saying it will happen).

Again you are not using your brain. 2+2=4 is only true in decimal, octal, hexadecimal etc. In trinary 2+2=11 and in binary or unary it wouldn't even be possible.

mathemitics is to be trusted, because it never lies, you just have to be able to understand it.

I hope you can appreciate the irony of saying that while at the same time your math is wrong over and over again. If not at least everyone else visiting this forum can have a laugh.

We as humans devise our own language and our own definitions.

No, God gave us languages as punishment for our sins (Genesis 11:5-8).

Just because the bible does not mention it, does not mean it is not important.

Yes it does. I have now shown you that your science is wrong, that all science is wrong and that the only logical conclusion here can be that the Holy Bible is right!

The bible does not mention nuclear fission, and that very thing incinerated 100,000 people in Hiroshima when it was employed in a bomb.

God was killing huge amounts of people long before He gave us the atom bomb (e.g. 20,000,000 in Genesis 6:8, 24,000 in Numbers 25:9 and 185,000 in 2 Kings 19:35).

[Asshat Turdhead]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

Scientists will only call their own machinations "facts" but never what is in the Bible. Is that fair? Is it fair to call what is in God's book myths? They mock the talking snake of Genesis and Balaam's donkey. Why must you always hold to the position that the Devil finds delightful?

A similar thing might be said about other holy books. Maybe we should look over the evidence stated in the Koran or the Vedas (Hindu sacred text), the Vedas are a far older book then the bible.

100 years ago, it was a "fact" than man could not fly

Man said nothing of the sort. The enhanced definitions of the word fact were as true back then as they are today. Fact still meant absolute, but almost no people thought that way about flight at the time. People tried all the time. This is why science calls nothing facts because it leaves room for improvement.

Again you are not using your brain. 2+2=4 is only true in decimal, octal, hexadecimal etc. In trinary 2+2=11 and in binary or unary it wouldn't even be possible.

The trinary (most often called ternary) system was designed so that it would be easier to program computers. Think of it as anouther language of numbers. When you translate it, 2+2 still equals 4. Actually, in ternary, 2+2 is 11, not 10.

I hope you can appreciate the irony of saying that while at the same time your math is wrong over and over again. If not at least everyone else visiting this forum can have a laugh.

What are you talking about, the first time I ever employed math was when I calculated Alpha Centauri's distance from Earth using stellar parallax.

Yes it does. I have now shown you that your science is wrong, that all science is wrong and that the only logical conclusion here can be that the Holy Bible is right!

You have proven nothing of the sort. You have proven that I copied and pasted a large number to prove a point to someone who thought numbers ended somewhere. Without science, you computer would not work and there would be nothing to power it.

God was killing huge amounts of people long before He gave us the atom bomb (e.g. 20,000,000 in Genesis 6:8, 24,000 in Numbers 25:9 and 185,000 in 2 Kings 19:35).

Okay, God kills more people than nuclear bombs have, that does not mean they are not important. And what about meteors or North America. And also, in Noah's flood, did no one else have a boat. Trading galleys bringing stuff across the sea would not even notice the rising water and boats around India would mistake all that rain for rains generated by the seasonal downpours that regularly strike India and can last 40 days.

This is the first time I have tried using the quote system so it might not have come out right.

Aegon Targaryen

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

You seem to be specialized in missing the point.

You made many mistakes when you tried science and I pointed several of them out. You made a mistake with the grains of sand. I proved you wrong. You made a mistake with the 2+2=4. I proved you wrong. And you made many many many more mistakes but I have better things to do than pointing all of them out. To use your own weapon against you, scientifically speaking I have now proven that you are unreliable.

And you are not unique in that. Everyone trying science makes lots of mistakes. This is why scientific "facts" of just a few years ago are todays funny jokes. Science just doesn't work. History has proven that over and over again and you are proving that it doesn't work as well by making one mistake after the other. I will give you some examples of scientific theories that turned out to be wrong:

• The Discovery of Vulcan
• Spontaneous Generation
• The Expanding Earth
• Phlogiston Theory
• The Martian Canals
• Luminiferous Aether
• The Blank Slate Theory
• Phrenology
• Einstein’s Static Universe
• Fleischmann and Pons’s Cold Fusion
• Global Cooling
• Global Warming
• Evolution

So you need to just stop wasting time on science and start dedicating your life to Jesus Christ. You will have all of eternity enjoying that decision! Believe me when I say that burning in Hell for all eternity for ignoring God will be very horrible.

[Asshat Turdhead]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

What mistakes, My math for calculating the distance to Alpha Centauri was flawless. I said that 2+2=4 is always correct and you introduced a number system for computers and said that it wasn't correct, you have proven nothing.

Science makes mistakes because people make mistakes. That is why science is a flexible thing and why fact and theory are used differently. With these systems, science only changes for the better. The problem with this strict interpretation of the bible is that it is inflexible. It leaves its followers stuborn to the extreme and they will believe a 1500 year old book over overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Before i saw this site, i did not believe Flat Earthers existed anymore, that idea officially ended in the fourth century AD yet here you are still believing it.

Vulcan was never a theory
Neither was spontaneous generation
Expanding Earth people were laughed at even when the idea first came up.
Martin canals were never a theory, they were a guess
Luminous aether never got past a hypothesis
Phrenology is an idea and is the basis on the differential functionality of different areas of the brain
The static universe was not a theory but a proposition.
Fleischmann and Pons’s Cold Fusion experiment was never a theory and was criticized by many other scientists
Global warming and cooling are not theories but ideas
Evolution is a theory and is accepted by most if not all scientists and most of the general public. It has not so far been proven wrong

The Blank Slate Theory is accepted by many people and has not been proven wrong. It is in conflict with the theory that mental states are in people during birth. Conflict means that theories are always challenged so they can be improved.

Phlogiston Theory was a theory but was disproven by evidence. That is how theories work, they can be changed or scrapped altogether because of new evidence. But heliocentric model has not been disproven as of yet and has been supported by many pieces of evidence. The bible is not convincing enough as evidence as it was written in the 4th century before people had effective science.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

What mistakes

Your mistakes of course! Please read back if your memory is bad.

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

History has proven that over and over again and you are proving that it doesn't work as well by making one mistake after the other. I will give you some examples of scientific theories that turned out to be wrong:

• The Discovery of Vulcan
• Spontaneous Generation
• The Expanding Earth
• Phlogiston Theory
• The Martian Canals
• Luminiferous Aether
• The Blank Slate Theory
• Phrenology
• Einstein’s Static Universe
• Fleischmann and Pons’s Cold Fusion
• Global Cooling
• Global Warming
• Evolution

So you need to just stop wasting time on science and start dedicating your life to Jesus Christ. You will have all of eternity enjoying that decision! Believe me when I say that burning in Hell for all eternity for ignoring God will be very horrible.

Obviously you don't have a clue what "Theory" means. Science is truth. Truth is beauty. Science flies you to the moon, religion turns you into a brainless zealot. Science is better BECAUSE it throws out ideas that don't work. Religion is stuck with every dumbass thing it comes up with even though it obviously doesn't work. It's how you end up with talking snakes and dudes who get weak over a haircut. It's pretty goofy to sit in the middle of all our technology and act like science doesn't work. Religion doesn't do a damn thing for us. The thing about science is that when it gets it wrong IT ADMITS IT. Then science CHANGES, based on the new evidence.

Sorry. Not all of the theories you listed have turned out to be wrong. Evolution is at the core of all modern biology and can be treated as a fact. Global warming has been verified also although it is better to call it Global climate change as it effects rainfalls as well as average temperature increases. Religion provides more than just silly beliefs, so it does have some useful social functions, but it is certainly not a replacement for science. That is absurd. What you seem to be missing is that science is what provided the means to self-correct and prove some of those hypothesis wrong (and some of those you list should not be there: evolution is a demonstrated fact, as well the current climate change)

In my opinion, you need to get your head out of your behind and access some real oxygen; your brain is showing signs of degradation. Meanwhile, religion has been proved wrong again and again. In fact, it has never been once shown to have any validity. Let's see. The first nine of your examples are all old ones that were put forth during the 19th and early 20th centuries and were subsequently overturned by SCIENCE.

Einstein's static universe was based on the then current science, and, in fact, Einstein introduced his cosmological constant in order to explain the apparent static universe. When, in the 1930s, it was learned that the universe is actually expanding, Einstein said that the cosmological constant was his greatest blunder. However, as it has since turned out, his cosmological constant can actually be applied to the current understanding of the expansion. Furthermore, Einstein's theory of relativity has NEVER been disproved and has only been supported with every new finding. Global warming is beyond question and is supported by the evidence, head-in-sand naysayers notwithstanding. And evolution is a fact, the bald-faced lies put out by the promoters of creationism notwithstanding.

If we stopped "wasting time" on science back in the 12th century we'd have no electricity, no computers, life average life expectancy would be in the 30's due to high infant mortality rates, high deaths in childbirth of mothers, high levels of disease and infection, the Moon and Mars would be completely unexplored and subject to huge amounts of wild speculation, anyone born with a hearing or sight defect would be condemned to beg because they would be unable to read or hear. No eye glasses, no hearing aids, no functional artificial limbs.

I could go into many areas where religion has failed but that would be petty. More importantly you have to understand science never claims to be an absolute revelation of truth rather it is a methodology for chipping away at the mountains of ignorance to uncover more and more truths about the universe.

If you're think we should get rid of science, then kindly dispose of your computer and go live in the woods. Be sure to live about 60% as long as the rest of us as you forego all medical science.