[Elmer G. White]

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...But if they were good people why would God give them a painful death, doesn't that seem unfair...

God did not give us pain. Mankind CHOSE pain out of FREE WILL. The first woman sinned against God (see Genesis 2-3), and out of this original sin sprang forth death and pain and anguish. Because we chose it. Pain is our part in life.

Romans 8:22
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Why accuse God of something He wanted us to avoid, what He advised us to avoid?! Once Fallen, mankind was given a new chance in Jesus but that chance is not realized on Earth as yet. It is to be realized in Eternal Heavenly Bliss at the End of Times. Some final agony at the moment of death is a small prize but the perfect test for believers. They have to stand firm in God at the moment of pain, not falter, not doubting!

Because in pain there is PROMISE!

Micah 4:10
Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.




Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Preacher1]

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God Created us (Genesis 1:27). God decided at the moment or our conception the numbers of our days.

Job 14:5 tells us: "Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass." Psalms 31:15 confirms: "My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies, and from them that persecute me." God knows how long it is good for each and every one of us to live. It is blasphemy to oppose God, to commit suicide, to diminish the days dictated by OUR LORD; or to try to have additional days, to prolong life in an unnatural manner by the means of sickular medicine or science. The Bible proves this rest of the post.



Yours in Christ,

Elmer

As you can see here, man has FORFEITED the Earth!!! Man is a ruined and destroyed creation that has absolutely no business at all whatsoever living on this Earth at all! When God creates something, He expects it to be absolutely perfect! Spotless, without wrinkle, and without blemish. When something God creates becomes imperfect, it pisses Him off!

[WWJDnow]

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CPR is playing God, and that's wrong.

[Elmer G. White]

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Brethren!

I has come to my attention that an update is required. Quite a few of our Brethren and Sisters have fallen victims of the ultimate persecution: they have been given cardiopulmonary resuscitation by heathens, papists, some have even been molested by homersexual persons with mouth-to-mouth respiration during the moment of their personal rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17). Some people have survived this physical assault and gone on living a material life while losing the rare opportunity of uniting once and for all with Jesus Christ our Savior.

Briefly, they have been deprived of Glorious Death.

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

I am very sorry to say that I am probably to blame. I introduced recently the "Do Not resuscitate" Card that was of inferior quality. Obviously, all True Christians™ with circulatory disorders, malignancies or bad infection sprinted this card on conventional low-quality paper and carried it on their bosoms at all times but, by some unfathomable reason, the authorities and the layman helpers took this card as some kind of joke. These repulsive people actually touched and massaged many True Christian™ chests without permission. A few Brothers never recovered but were sent into hospitals and thereafter they chose secular lifestyles. You may have noticed absences from tithing and services.


So I prayed and Jesus - as always - helped me in the form of Brother Wall. By doing Christ's bidding he has now designed an updated DNR Card and I am happy to have the second one straight from the oven (Pastor Ezekiel obviously got the first one, although with his dazzling good health he surely will reach general rapture in perfect form; 1 Thessalonians 4:17). The card fits very well in the average True Christian™ wallet but here it is shown in glorious detail as designed by Jesus Himself!

In addition, this practical card serves as an ID card that demonstrates the Intelligent Design of us True Christians™ by Jesus. The Design of our life histories is exquisite:

• Childhood: learning God's Love through Fear (Proverbs 10:13).
• Adolescence: Finding God's Love by Submitting to marriage and exhausting conjugal relations (Genesis 2:24).
• Adulthood: Living according to Jesus' Commandments and receiving His precious Gift of Cardiovascular Disease (Ecclesiastes 12:13).
• 50's-60's: Succumbing to Jesus' precious Gift and ascending into Heaven (Matthew 13:11).

Now this scheme can be fulfilled without harassment. Brother Wall can be contacted with orders and 90% of the costs is forwarded to finance the glorious new aircraft for Pastor Ezekiel Flint!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Back against wall]

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Well done Brother Prof. White. This card will save my Glorious Death, or life, depending on who is around at my End Of Days.

The thought of a Heathen putting their lips to mine is enough to want to die for. I can't imagine a Niggero or Messican pressing against my flesh when God is trying to take my last breath. To wake to that would eventuate in my being given the electric chair. Imagine having to wait 10 years for the legal system to get past fighting all those hippie, tree hugging, hairy armpitted, dreadlocked, stinking, soya bean, animal loving, nit bearing, orgy indulging, PETA loving, flower carrying, bare footed, gluten free sympathisers trying to save my life when ALL I WANT TO DO IS DIE A GLORIOUS DEATH.

I'm out of breath and I think I need an ambulance. Get out of my way you Heathen Hippies this might be the one! Move over Hoffa I could be shifting in next door. Praise Jesus!

Nope, false alarm.

Praise Jesus, Brother Prof. White.

[Samuel Levenson]

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Would you believe that atheistic dingbats back in the 70s started freezing their heads after they died? Oh they said it was so some kind of scientifical supermedicine can unfreeze them someday but I have sources who tell me that this so-called "cryopreservation" is a Satanic plot to avoid everlasting hellfire. Even though they pretend that they don't believe in God, those damned atheists are so afraid of his perfect judgement that they will do anything to save themselves from Satan's pitchfork! Well guess what, sinners. There's not enough ice in the world to cool down your spot in the lake of fire! Glory!

[Back against wall]

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Would you believe that atheistic dingbats back in the 70s started freezing their heads after they died?

Sounds like that Hell hole on earth, Dissmeland. Didn't that Walt Dissme start a cult of Freezer people?

[Samuel Levenson]

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Sounds like that Hell hole on earth, Dissmeland. Didn't that Walt Dissme start a cult of Freezer people?

I've heard rumors to that effect. And I've seen proof that he started a cult of homo lovers and fag enablers. Do you know why that cartoon is called Mickey Mouse? It's slang for... well, I'll let you look it up if you're really curious.

[Elmer G. White]

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I've heard rumors to that effect. And I've seen proof that he started a cult of homo lovers and fag enablers. Do you know why that cartoon is called Mickey Mouse? It's slang for... well, I'll let you look it up if you're really curious.

Mr. Levenson,

I must admit that I had some trouble understanding what mice have got to do with the repulsive act of cardiopulmonary resuscitation. Hence, I asked Jesus and it does seem that this issue could be relevant. Mice are obviously unclean, not dissimilar to revolting atheists who only want to excite us orally during our hour of need when Jesus is calling us and we are about to die.

Isaiah 66:17
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

It is now clear that these providers of CPR services will suffer most terribly as they will be consumed by the flames of the eternal Furnace.



As for Mr. Mouse, his journey on this Earth is over, despite his unclean nature that lures homers more than honey lures the bear and the bee; and his injuries were too extensive for any type of life support.



This is the wage of sin (Romans 6:23).


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Captcha]

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God Created us (Genesis 1:27). God decided at the moment or our conception the numbers of our days.

Resurrection - YES, resuscitation - NO!
Intensive prayer - YES, Intensive care - DO NOT GO!
Saving souls is OK, saving lives is NO WAY!
CPR - NO NO NO, JCR - to Him we GO!

Um, so I have some questions about this information. When God numbered our days, what is us saving the man's physical life was part of the days, so I do not understand why you put that verse here.

Resurrection - YES, resuscitation - NO!
You said to pray nice and loud instead of give CPR, so why not do CPR while praying? I mean there is probably a larger chance of the person receiving Christ while they can hear you and are fine? I understand that sometimes when a patient is in a comma or out cold, they can hear you and receive Christ, but once they are up, wouldn't it be like a better-safe-than-sorry situation to tell them? It is their responsibility to receive Christ into their hearts, so I don't understand why not make sure they receive him by resuscitating them, and pray like you said at the same time...

Intensive prayer - YES, Intensive care - DO NOT GO!
Intensive prayer is intensive care. Why not do both as I said earlier?

Saving souls is OK, saving lives is NO WAY!
Um, as I said earlier why not do them both, and to put it into terms, God knows how many days we have. We are the variables to God's plan, if we save them, then it is part of God's chosen path for man, because God cannot be wrong.

CPR - NO NO NO, JCR - to Him we GO!
And I'm sure you know what I will say to this. We go to Jesus anyways whether or not they did CPR to us.

Okay you see my point, and let me tell you the strongest argument:

Mark 16:15 - And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

We are SUPPOSED TO BE ALIVE for this very reason. God is rich, he has everything, he doesn't need anything from us except us serving him. If we decide to let the man or woman die, when we can save them, then how is this verse going to be fulfilled? We need the saved lives to be in this world, why put it out? The more people preaching the gospel the better. So lets do our jobs and server the Lord in the manner intended.

James 5:12 - And Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Turning off life-support machines is illegal.

Revelation 22:11 - He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

If they get resuscitated and go out to preach evil, that is clearly on the line of how motivated and skilled you are at opening to them Lord Christ. And besides, the tiny amount of chance this situation will happen, if we do it your way: 1 guy down 6,500,000,000 to go. Congratulations. You may argue that 1 guy can lead millions if billions. When you save someone's life, they will listen to you because they will feel they owe you one. And as soon as they find out that you saved them in because of Jesus, they will think differently. Good luck murdering people, how about get some evangelists and grow God's army instead.
It does not matter how high of a position you are, everyone makes mistakes, do not righteous yourself out of this one.

[Elmer G. White]

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Okay you see my point, and let me tell you the strongest argument:

Mark 16:15 - And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

We are SUPPOSED TO BE ALIVE for this very reason. God is rich, he has everything, he doesn't need anything from us except us serving him. If we decide to let the man or woman die, when we can save them, then how is this verse going to be fulfilled? We need the saved lives to be in this world, why put it out? The more people preaching the gospel the better. So lets do our jobs and server the Lord in the manner intended.

James 5:12 - And Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Turning off life-support machines is illegal.

Revelation 22:11 - He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Dear Person,

We are apparently using the word "save" in different meanings. You use it to "save from death", whereas I use it to "Save into Eternal life!" If you save the physical body, you can add a few years of material life to that person. How much is this compared to the trillions of years of Eternity.

Secondly, you fail to assess the fact that these DNR cards will be carried by people who are already Saved in the Spiritual Sense. The act of CPR can only corrupt them as they are absolutely in no need of any more evangelizing as they belong to Jesus at the moment of their fatal attack.

Thirdly, you are dismissing the alternative that also refraining from CRP in these cases can be God's will if everything that happens was Intelligently designed by Him (as it was).

That said, I must also agree with you and I see great potential in you. You have apparently embraced the fact that God is indeed so unfathomable that our weak definitions of Good and Evil fall short of His power!

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Once again, I must emphasize that the instructions in this thread are not meant for the layman but for the already Saved True Christian™ persons. I know that if God wants to preserve by mundane, earthly body after my next coronary attack, a suitable True Christian™ person will be there to assist me (and this fits very well also your argument if we take it to its logical conclusion). I certainly hope that this be not the case, that I have served Him long and well enough to be released from this tedious body. For that glorious possibility, I now carry my DNR card to assist my ascension into the Eternal Realm of God!



Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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Secondly, you fail to assess the fact that these DNR cards will be carried by people who are already Saved in the Spiritual Sense.

This is a good point, Brother Professor Dr White. Also, unless I have misunderstood, they are not currently compulsory, are they? Recommended, but not actually compulsory.

I hope that deals with all of the Captain's objections.

[Basilissa]

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Um, so I have some questions about this information. When God numbered our days, what is us saving the man's physical life was part of the days, so I do not understand why you put that verse here.

Resurrection - YES, resuscitation - NO!
You said to pray nice and loud instead of give CPR, so why not do CPR while praying? I mean there is probably a larger chance of the person receiving Christ while they can hear you and are fine? I understand that sometimes when a patient is in a comma or out cold, they can hear you and receive Christ, but once they are up, wouldn't it be like a better-safe-than-sorry situation to tell them? It is their responsibility to receive Christ into their hearts, so I don't understand why not make sure they receive him by resuscitating them, and pray like you said at the same time...

Intensive prayer - YES, Intensive care - DO NOT GO!
Intensive prayer is intensive care. Why not do both as I said earlier?

Saving souls is OK, saving lives is NO WAY!
Um, as I said earlier why not do them both, and to put it into terms, God knows how many days we have. We are the variables to God's plan, if we save them, then it is part of God's chosen path for man, because God cannot be wrong.

CPR - NO NO NO, JCR - to Him we GO!
And I'm sure you know what I will say to this. We go to Jesus anyways whether or not they did CPR to us.

Hello, dear. I hear a lot of what you think is right. Unfortunately for you, what really counts in God's eyes is not your feelings, but what He ordered us to do.

Here it is:

James 5:14-16
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

If you fervently pray, God will listen. That is because doctors don't heal people - God heals people:

Jeremiah 33:6 Behold, I will bring it health and cure, and I will cure them, and will reveal unto them the abundance of peace and truth.

Okay you see my point, and let me tell you the strongest argument:

Mark 16:15 - And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

We are SUPPOSED TO BE ALIVE for this very reason. God is rich, he has everything, he doesn't need anything from us except us serving him. If we decide to let the man or woman die, when we can save them, then how is this verse going to be fulfilled? We need the saved lives to be in this world, why put it out? The more people preaching the gospel the better. So lets do our jobs and server the Lord in the manner intended.

Great verse, but it has nothing to do with sickness. Every sickness is given to people by God:

Deuteronomy 28:61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

In fact, God is very clear that in case of a sickness we should turn to Him, not to doctors:

2 Chronicles 16:12-13
12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the Lord, but to the physicians.
13 And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

James 5:12 - And Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Turning off life-support machines is illegal.

"Illegal" is a word that refers to things which are prohibited by secular law, and therefore non related to God's Commandments (unless you are lucky enough to live in a state that obeys Biblical law to the letter - sort of a Christian Saudi Arabia).

The word you were looking for is "immoral." In the light of verses that I've cited above, I'd say that putting people on life support (thus depending on science and not on God's Will) is immoral.

Revelation 22:11 - He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

If they get resuscitated and go out to preach evil, that is clearly on the line of how motivated and skilled you are at opening to them Lord Christ. And besides, the tiny amount of chance this situation will happen, if we do it your way: 1 guy down 6,500,000,000 to go. Congratulations. You may argue that 1 guy can lead millions if billions. When you save someone's life, they will listen to you because they will feel they owe you one. And as soon as they find out that you saved them in because of Jesus, they will think differently. Good luck murdering people, how about get some evangelists and grow God's army instead.
It does not matter how high of a position you are, everyone makes mistakes, do not righteous yourself out of this one.

It's one thing to let people be as they wish, and it's a totally different thing to interfere with God's plan to kill a person, dear.

[Prayer Warrior]

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CPR is just another attempt by homosexual thugs to force gay sex on us. They know an unconscious person can't fight them off so they take the opportunity to orally rape the other person.

Pretty soon I better we're going to see "hiney to mouth fart resuscitation" with leftist rapists calling it a medical procedure http://www.spike.com/video-clips/rttfuv/manswers-

Count me out, death is far better than CPR.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Amen brother. The CPR is nothing but a trick by Big Gay to turn us all into homersexurals.