[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Crazed Doped-Up Hippie Church Raided

so what you are saying is that you are perfected & have no habits????

I can't speak for Aaron, but I know that I am. I was made into a new creature the day I repented of all of my sins and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Praise the Sweet Name of Jesus!

everone that i know in the body of Christ has some kind or kinds of issues some more deadly than others & some against our natural law.

I assume you mean people who merely think they're in the Body of Christ, but they aren't really saved because they remain a slave to sin.

GOD see's everybodys sin as sin. It is the humans opinion to look at sin as big sin & little sin as a matter of fact its not the mind of Christ at all!

AMEN! Preach it!

If he thought like most of the people that are members of this Website he would not of died went to HELL & bore our sin!

You got that right. Most of the people on this site are unrepentant mocking blasphemers. We also have a few earnest seekers mixed in. The only people known to be saved are those who have "True Christian™", "Moderator", or "Senior Pastor" under their names.

I have another ? for you do you sin?

Not anymore, amen. Once I agreed to repent of my sins for good and to let Jesus control all of my thoughts, words, actions, deeds, plans, intentions, desires, wants, and needs, God sent the Holy Spirit to live in my heart and He gives me the tools to effectively resist temptation.

ARE YOU GOING TO HELL? WELL IF YOU BELEIVE IN JESUS THE ANSWERE IS NO! YOUR SINS HAVE BEEN PAID IN FULL! DID YOU SEE THAT!!! IN FULL!!!!

You're half right here, friend. One must also be willing to turn away from sin and give it up for good. That's step 2 in the Plan of Salvation.

In John 8, Jesus forgave the adulteress -- not with a license to continue to commit more adultery -- but with the condition that she stop sinning altogether.

John 8:10-11 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Notice, Jesus said go and sin NO more, not go and sin SOME more!

YES ALL SIN EVEN THE SIN OF THE UNBELIEVERS

Now you're off in la-la land. You just haven't read your Bible, or you did read it and didn't like what it had to say, so you're just making up your own religion as you go along.

Friend, allow me to direct your attention to the book of John, Chapter 3:
Nicodemus asked Jesus what he has to do to become saved.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus was confused and asked how this was possible. Jesus explained it all to him, and concluded with this:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Jesus makes the point that to be saved, one must believe and must be born again.

In case you are a bit slow and it hasn't sunk in yet, the point is repeated in the last verse of the chapter:

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Enlitener]

Re: Crazed Doped-Up Hippie Church Raided

If heaven if going to be filled with the likes of you - then I'll GLADLY chose hell! However, I know that there is no place in the heaven of the Bible for YOUR "kind". Why do I say that? Because God has already had to contend with one devil - why would he want to have to contend with more? I say to you the same thing that Jesus said to the self-righteous, hypocritical, religious leaders and people of His day when He rebuked them and then they falsely accused Him. For it certainly applies perfectly to this situation.

"Why is it that my language is not clear to you? Because you are "unable" to "hear" what I say. (That is because) You belong to your father the devil. And you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Yet because I tell you the truth you do not believe me! Can you prove me guilty of sin? (On the other hand) If I am telling you the TRUTH (and I am) - why do you not believe me? He who belongs to God - hears what God says. The reason you do not "hear" is that you do NOT belong to God!" (John 8:43-47)

All you do is falsely accuse me and slander me with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE just like they did Jesus! Why? What are you so AFRAID of? Exposure? That's the devil for you! After all if you were exposed for the frauds that you are - how could you continue doing the devil's "dirty work"? Whereas I have nothing to hide. If you go to my blog and read nothing more than my profile - you will see that I have more of God in ONE SINGLE HAIR than All of you together do in your whole being!

For instance, I am NOT a hippie (just because I have long hair and a beard) and neither am I out out of my mind on "dope". But slandering me that way evidently does two things for you. 1. Such a primitive, basic, instinctive "knee-jerk" must make you "feel good". Because you must feel very bad about yourself otherwise. If not you wouldn't do it. 2. It provides a "smoke screen" behind which you hopefully can hide your own "sinfulness".

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Crazed Doped-Up Hippie Church Raided

Welcome back friend. I took a peak at your blog and I found your article "Paganization of the Church" to be insightful and well written.

]For instance, I am NOT a hippie (just because I have long hair and a beard)

I have a question about that. The Bible says:

1Cor 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Did you take the vow of a Nazarite? Because I can't think of any other reason why a decent God-fearing man would wear long hair.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Nobar King]

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If heaven if going to be filled with the likes of you - then I'll GLADLY chose hell! However, I know that there is no place in the heaven of the Bible for YOUR "kind". Why do I say that? Because God has already had to contend with one devil - why would he want to have to contend with more? ....


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All you do is falsely accuse me and slander me

Sounds like slander to me.

Oh, and welcome to our joyous forum.

[JennyD]

Re: Crazed Doped-Up Hippie Church Raided

If heaven if going to be filled with the likes of you - then I'll GLADLY chose hell! However, I know that there is no place in the heaven of the Bible for YOUR "kind". Why do I say that? Because God has already had to contend with one devil - why would he want to have to contend with more?

Friend, we here at Landover Baptist Church follow the Bible. The WHOLE Bible, not just the bits we happen to like.

Tell me, why do you think that getting high on the drugs is a GOOD way to get closer to God? The only thing it'll get you closer to is a batch of brownies, pal. Don't feed us that hogwash; we've been there and done that. You get high because you LIKE it, not to connect with Jesus! Doing the drugs is only a distraction from Jesus, and you know it as well as I!

For instance, I am NOT a hippie (just because I have long hair and a beard) and neither am I out out of my mind on "dope". But slandering me that way evidently does two things for you. 1. Such a primitive, basic, instinctive "knee-jerk" must make you "feel good". Because you must feel very bad about yourself otherwise. If not you wouldn't do it. 2. It provides a "smoke screen" behind which you hopefully can hide your own "sinfulness".

Smoke screen! The burnout made a funny!!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Crazed Doped-Up Hippie Church Raided

I say to you the same thing that Jesus said to the self-righteous, hypocritical, religious leaders and people of His day when He rebuked them and then they falsely accused Him. For it certainly applies perfectly to this situation.

All you do is falsely accuse me and slander me with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE just like they did Jesus! Whereas I have nothing to hide. If you go to my blog and read nothing more than my profile - you will see that I have more of God in ONE SINGLE HAIR than All of you together do in your whole being!

You seem to compare yourself to Jesus alot. I'm curious, do the dope-crazed teenaged girls in your cult worship you like that?

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

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If heaven if going to be filled with the likes of you - then I'll GLADLY chose hell!

You won’t be around to torment us in Paradise? Praise! But I'll bet we are going to have to put up with you here on earth for a while, aren’t we?

However, I know that there is no place in the heaven of the Bible for YOUR "kind".

What "kind" is that, the kind that believe 100% of every single word of the King James Bible? Now I know you’re high!

Why is it that my language is not clear to you?

See sentence #2 above.

All you do is falsely accuse me and slander me with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE just like they did Jesus! Why? What are you so AFRAID of? Exposure? That's the devil for you! After all if you were exposed for the frauds that you are - how could you continue doing the devil's "dirty work"? Whereas I have nothing to hide.

Really? How about telling us your real name then.

If you go to my blog and read nothing more than my profile . . .

. . .you will get an ice cream headache from trying to decide which is worse, the web design or the idiotic content.

For instance, I am NOT a hippie (just because I have long hair and a beard) and neither am I out out of my mind on "dope".

You look like a hippy, talk like hippy, dress like a hippy, and your very first post in the Godly forum of a Baptist Church was defending a hippy church that worships pot and whose founders were in possession of over 300 pounds of it. Our mistake!

Look, I may have been a little wound up the other night because of the way you blamed me for my awful childhood. But now I’m going to give you some serious advice. Get yourself a big bucket of commas, a handful of semi colons, and just a few colons. Use those for punctuation and you won’t need all the weird AND “distracting” (punctuation) You “seem” TO (LOVE).

Ellipses . . . and the occasional italics are alright as well. And learn to spell your own name/handle, Enlightener.

[Enlitener]

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To all the "simple" (or should I say "mindless") ones on this forum:

As I said previously - I am an earnest seeker. The truth is that I was not a hippie nor did I participate in the drug scene of the 60's or 70's. Yet you never bothered finding that out before rashly and falsely accusing me. And we know just who "the accuser of the brethren" is don't we? It is Satan! I wonder how God feels about that? But that doesn't seem to matter to you in the least! Hmmm. "That" speaks volumes about YOU.

The fact is that I first grew a beard and long hair etc in 1972 to relate to the street people that l was trying to reach. I.E. "I became all things to all men that I might by all means reach some." (1 Corinthians 9:19-23) By the way - for all you "Bible-Thumpers". Paul also said that regarding himself! But then , you already knew that didn't you? If not - why not? Is that a contradiction or did Paul allow such "special concessions" only for himself?

And by the way - any "mind expanding" that I have experienced has been by power of the Holy Spirit - with my cooperation if course. Now if He could just get YOU to cooperate with Him a little in this regard - He just might be able to free YOU from some of YOUR ridiculous, mindless "legalism"!

Now about "long" hair. (1 Corinthians 11:1-16)

1. As to how this applies to all believers - who decides what is short and long anyway? YOU? Of course not! What is short for you may be medium or long for others! So how do you know if YOUR length is the "right" length? You don't unless you just arbitrarily decide for yourself or let someone else do your deciding for you! Who died and made you or them God? Nobody! These things are the mere prejudices and/or preferences of individuals at various places and times in history! But then you REALLY already knew that didn't you? If not why not? You are supposed to be "rightly" dividing the Word of God aren't you?

2. How does "nature" teach us that men shouldn't have long hair? Does a man's hair stop growing when it gets the length that is approved by the "likes" of YOU? Of course not! But then you already knew that didn't you? Hypocrite!

3. Surely Paul must have known THAT too! He did. That is why Paul himself said that this was just a "custom" that "he" preferred in "his" day for "his" reasons among "his" congregations. I don't live in "his" day, and am not in one of "his" congregations and thus I have no reason to follow his "customs"! But then if you were REALLY "rightly dividing" the WORD of God as you hypocritically "say" you are - you would already know these things wouldn't you?

Not only that but Paul also imposed his preferences and prejudices on his congregations about many things including that women should keep silent in the church. (1 Corinthians 14:34-35) Of course like YOU - even he tried to justify these with scripture. Yet I know plenty of Christian AND "Baptist" churches who allow women to speak in church! Hypocrites! Why don't you truly and rightly divide the word of God? Do you really think God is so petty that he is concerned with the length of one's hair or whether a woman has something to say in a gathering of believers? My God folks - PLEASE "get a grip" on "spiritual reality" for "Christ' Sake"!

Not only that but even here in 1 Corinthians 11 Paul says that a women should wear a veil when she prays or prophesies in church. Wait a minute! I thought he said women were to keep silent in church! Which is it? Who decides? YOU? Also did you notice that this same passage says that women should wear veils in church. Do you preach that also? If not - why not? YOU HYPOCRITES!!!

In addition, that passage also says women SHOULD wear long hair. Do you preach that women SHOULD wear long hair in the same way that you preach that men should NOT wear long hair? If not - why not? You hypocrites!!! You know good and well that you allow women to wear "short" hair in your churches! What is your excuse for that? "Custom"? But that only applies to the women? I see. Who decides that? You! But yet you preach it as if it were God that decided on these things!

This is my whole point here and you have missed it altogether. That is why I quoted those words of Jesus to the religious hypocrites in John 8. I am referring to an attitude that says, "If YOU say so and can somehow construe some scripture to support it - then it is "gospel". But if YOU do not say so - no matter who else says so and can more than adequately support their belief with scripture that is rightly divided - then as far as YOU are concerned - they are either unsaved or are heretics. In such a scenario - YOU are actually "playing God". I thought that was the devil's "nature". Oh yeah that right. It is also the "nature" of his "children". Sorry to "burst you bubble sweetheart" but THAT is how you tell who is God's child or the devil's child.

Now about you "mind". God gave you a mind to think with didn't He? Then He also expects you to use it for something besides a hat rack! I have found to my chagrin that most Christians seems to put their minds "on hold" when it comes to the things of God. Yet, that is when you need it the most!

Mr Porter. I see you have a beard. In our culture that became popular along with "long" hair because of the influence of the hippies! But then you already knew that didn't you? Hypocrite! I thought you hated EVERYTHING about hippies! And I also see that you don't like the use of quotation marks. And you rail against the use of it as if the scripture itself says it is wrong! So we can EASILY see that it all boils down to ones own preference or prejudice about these things after all doesn't it? The way it seems to be here with you folks is that if it is YOUR preference or prejudice - then it is OK but if it is someone else's (and that is different from yours) then it is not OK. So in actuality this is all about YOU. It is NOT about what is actually "right" and "wrong".

But people with "issues" like you and evidently many others here - just LOVE to justify their own preferences and prejudices and condemn those of others. How can you REALLY expect us to "buy" that when it is SO OBVIOUS? You evidently have gravitated here because it gives you a place to "vent". And as far as I am concerned - "that" is just how most of the the posts on this forum need to be interpreted.

Either that or the poor souls are just sincerely "ignorant" or have been "religously" BRAINWASHED!

Oh and by the way. I don't have a "cult" or a "following" of any kind. And that includes "doped-up" girls.

Perhaps God did send me to you as Billy Reuben said to me in a private message. But IF He did - it was to help YOU folks get straightened out about many such things! You can START doing that by going to the Introduction of my blog and reading the articles Purpose of my blog and Hermeneutics. Otherwise, I don't have the time or energy for such "mud slinging" contest. "I" have "better" things to do with my time and energy. Evidently, you don't! PLEASE "get a life" for "Christ Sake"!

P.S. I have just started blogging this summer. My blog is still under construction. In fact recently I have been neglecting it because I have been busy (with my dear wife) taking care of her elderly, sick mother (without a lot of help from others). Previously to that we took care of my elderly, sick mother for 7 years before she passed - without ANY help from ANYONE! Who have YOU taken care of lately? Or have you been "too busy" with your "own" life to bother?

[Nobar King]

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You are surely a saint.

[Billybob Sunday]

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P.S. I have just started blogging this summer. My blog is still under construction. In fact recently I have been neglecting it because I have been busy (with my dear wife) taking care of her elderly, sick mother (without a lot of help from others). Previously to that we took care of my elderly, sick mother for 7 years before she passed - without ANY help from ANYONE! Who have YOU taken care of lately? Or have you been "too busy" with your "own" life to bother?

Brother in Christ,

I have been concerned about all of the anger you are projecting in this, an internet house of the Lord. But now I understand - you are struggling with your personal life. Sometimes, in times of crisis, we can all forget to share love and compassion with our Christian brethren.

I want to help you, my brother, and to meet your challenge of taking care of others. To lighten your load, I, Billybob Sunday, am offering to take in and comfort your daughter. She is one of God's children, and deserves the full attention and moral guidance that you are unable to provide as you take care of your elderly womenfolk. I will pray with her, read the Bible to her day and night, and do my best to fill her with the warm love of Jesus Christ!

BBS

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Crazed Doped-Up Hippie Church Raided

I first grew a beard and long hair etc in 1972 to relate to the street people that l was trying to reach. I.E. "I became all things to all men that I might by all means reach some."

It sounds like you are saying that you became of the world, so that the world would love you.

Didn't Jesus teach us that men of God should not be of the world, and that we should be hated? (John 15:18-19)

The Good News of the Bible is a message of tough love. People are in love with their sin, and they don't want to hear that they have to repent of it to be saved, so they hate us for delivering that message.

The Bible also tells us to abstain from all appearance of evil (I Th 5:22). Why would a good God-fearing man want to look like a hippie burn-out?

As to how this applies to all believers - who decides what is short and long anyway? YOU? Of course not! What is short for you may be medium or long for others! So how do you know if YOUR length is the "right" length?

What matters is what God thinks.

You already admitted that your hair is long. No one has to decide whether your hair is long, because we all know it's long. Your attempt at Clintoneque legalism won't cut the mustard here.

The Bible doesn't say that long hair on a man is forbidden. It just says that it is shameful.

2. How does "nature" teach us that men shouldn't have long hair?

I didn't write the Bible, I just obey it. If the Bible tells me that nature teaches us that men shouldn't have long hair, or that grasshoppers have four feet, or that eight humans and a few hundred million animals survived on a boat for a year, I don't ask a bunch of stupid questions -- I just read it and believe it.

That is why Paul himself said that this was just a "custom" that "he" preferred in "his" day for "his" reasons among "his" congregations.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to cite a scriptural reference to back that up.

Not only that but Paul also imposed his preferences and prejudices on his congregations about many things including that women should keep silent in the church. (1 Corinthians 14:34-35) Of course like YOU - even he tried to justify these with scripture.

I Corinthians 14:34-35 doesn't have to be justified with scripture, because it IS scripture.

Yet I know plenty of Christian AND "Baptist" churches who allow women to speak in church! Hypocrites!

Amen! Those churches are hypocrites, and you were right to put Baptist in quotes there. That's why we are independent Baptist rather than part of the liberal SBC. Women certainly aren't allowed to speak in our church.

Why don't you truly and rightly divide the word of God?

Rightly divide" doesn't mean to cherry pick the parts you like and throw the rest in the garbage. You can't just take the one verse out of context.

In the very next chapter, it says "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works".

Do you really think God is so petty that he is concerned with the length of one's hair or whether a woman has something to say in a gathering of believers?

Are you kidding? Have you read the Bible? God once struck a couple of boys dead right there on the spot for burning the wrong kind of incense. Not only did God kill them, he forbade the boys' father from mourning their loss under the threat of the same treatment.

Not only that but even here in 1 Corinthians 11 Paul says that a women should wear a veil when she prays or prophesies in church. Wait a minute! I thought he said women were to keep silent in church!

Women are to keep silent in church. I Corinthians 11 says absolutely nothing about women praying or prophesying in church. Your attempt to sow discord by inventing contradictions where none exist will not work here.

Also did you notice that this same passage says that women should wear veils in church. Do you preach that also?

I'm afraid that once again, I'll have to ask you to back that up with a quote from the AV1611. Women are to have their heads covered, but the hair counts as a covering. Nowhere does it say that women have to wear veils.

In addition, that passage also says women SHOULD wear long hair. Do you preach that women SHOULD wear long hair in the same way that you preach that men should NOT wear long hair? If not - why not? You hypocrites!!!

Of course we do.

You know good and well that you allow women to wear "short" hair in your churches!

You haven't visited our church, have you? What makes you think our women run around with their hair bobbed off like a bunch of bull-dykes?

The only time you'll find a woman with short hair in our church is if she is recently saved and her hair hasn't had time to grow out yet.

This is my whole point here and you have missed it altogether. That is why I quoted those words of Jesus to the religious hypocrites in John 8. I am referring to an attitude that says, "If YOU say so and can somehow construe some scripture to support it - then it is "gospel".

My attitude is that if God said so, then I believe and obey.

Personally, I don't have any personal problem with people wearing their hair however they like, or people being gay, or people drinking and partying and fornicating. Their behavior doesn't affect me -- it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

However, the Bible tells me that God has a huge problem people who behave that way. God called me to be a Pastor, so it is my job to warn people about the trouble they're in.

THAT is how you tell who is God's child or the devil's child.

No, the way you tell who is God's child or the devil's child is to look at how they live. Are they doing the Father's will, or are they living their lives however they see fit?

Mr Porter. I see you have a beard. In our culture that became popular along with "long" hair because of the influence of the hippies! But then you already knew that didn't you? Hypocrite! I thought you hated EVERYTHING about hippies!

That's a complete non-sequitur. People wore beards before there were hippies. His beard isn't long, stringy, and greasy like a hippie beard.

Hippies breathe air, too. According to your logic, then everyone who breathes is automatically a hippie.

Perhaps God did send me to you as Billy Reuben said to me in a private message. But IF He did - it was to help YOU folks get straightened out about many such things! You can START doing that by going to the Introduction of my blog and reading the articles Purpose of my blog and Hermeneutics. Otherwise, I don't have the time or energy for such "mud slinging" contest.

I read those, and I was struck by the number of links to works of men referenced on your site. I was hoping that you don't put more faith in what others have to say about the Word of God than in what the Word itself says.

Thankfully, as I read it, I saw your warning to the readers against falling into that trap, when you say this:

"So you will begin to let go of someone else’s opinions, preferences, prejudices and interpretations because they are actually not your own. Why should you do that? Because YOU are unique and God has a special purpose for YOUR life. However, if you do not know what it is then you may not be able to fulfill it – at least not in the way that God desires for you to. If you do not know the purpose and intended function of something, you will inevitably misappropriate it."


Amen! That's why I don't read very much from the so-called "Bible Scholars". What I have read of them seems less like an attempt to explain scripture and make it more accessible, and more like an attempt to twist scripture into whatever they want it to say.

I prefer to get the Word of God first-hand.

"I" have "better" things to do with my time and energy. Evidently, you don't! PLEASE "get a life" for "Christ Sake"!

No, of course I don't have anything better to do than to allow the Lord to use me to do His work.

I don't need to get a life, because I already have Eternal Life.

I have just started blogging this summer. My blog is still under construction. In fact recently I have been neglecting it because I have been busy (with my dear wife) taking care of her elderly, sick mother (without a lot of help from others). Previously to that we took care of my elderly, sick mother for 7 years before she passed - without ANY help from ANYONE!

I'm sorry about your mother and your mother-in-law. I'm praying that the Lord gives you strength. If the Lord gets you to it, the Lord will get you through it. He won't give you more than you can handle.

I'm also sorry that you couldn't find any help. Perhaps you were looking in the wrong place. God would have helped you, had you asked.

Who have YOU taken care of lately? Or have you been "too busy" with your "own" life to bother?

Thank you for assuming that we are all a bunch of selfish jerks who don't help anyone else. How "non-judgmental" of you.


Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

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To all the "simple" (or should I say "mindless") ones on this forum:

- - - S N I P - - -

I cannot go through that entire post a line at time, it's just too much. I certainly admire Pastor Billy for doing the heavy lifting on this one.

Mr. E, do you use the preview button to proof your posts? I am going to assume not, based on the typos, and the grammatical errors, etc. If you want people to read your posts, your incredibly long posts, you should show them that you care enough to proof them before posting. If that seems like too much work to you, imagine all of us here trying to slog our way through that stream-of-consciousness, error-riddled babble. My mind started hydroplaning after the third paragraph. Was that mostly about hair? And did you say that hippies invented beards? I will have you know that I have a beard because I have an ugly chin. Satisfied?

I did notice that instead of comparing yourself to Jesus like you did in a previous post, you took shots at a Disciple this time. Are you so sure about your convictions that you can accuse Paul? Such pride and vanity! Since you are comparing yourself to Biblical characters, maybe God is doing a kind of new Job thing with you, sending sickness to your relatives as a test?

I usually don’t like to parrot what someone else has already posted and Pastor Billy already answered your attack. But that blanket accusation that we are all uncaring jerks who don’t help people is quite offensive. Why would you say such a horrible thing? You accuse us of anger and hate, but there is certainly more in your confused heart than pure, sweet love, I daresay!


Oh, and nice quotation marks inside parenthesis in the first line!

[Enlitener]

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I will simply reply to all of this with these few words. When I first posted a comment here. I was immediately labeled "Unsaved Trash". (What a way to “win the lost” – thru intimidation into conformity!) I was also called a hippie and a doper etc. And all without any evidence or any love. Just because I did not look or act or speak "just like you". (Thank God I have been delivered from THAT!)

Now please correct me if I am wrong about this (since you apparently have the ONLY “handle” on the truth) but I was under the impression that Christianity was supposed to be BECAUSE of Jesus Christ in the first place and is supposed to be altogether ABOUT Jesus Christ. Yet the scripture does not portray Him as being legalistic about the scripture nor did He put people in bondage to any of it's rules and regulations. Instead He said the scripture served one purpose. It spoke of Him. He is the true Spiritual Reality that EVERYTHING in the Bible points to. And true Spiritual Reality in found in Him alone.

He was God in the flesh and demonstrated the nature of God to us. LOVE. He also demonstrated what God wanted FROM us. He NEVER harshly rebuked "sinners" and for the most part He did not tell them to change their ways - in some outward fashion or another. He just told them to believe in Him and trust Him. Read the gospels and prove me wrong if you can. Also read these two articles in my blog for more on this subject "God Loves Sinners" and "Why Did Jesus Really Come"?

He freely associated with them in order to show His love and acceptance of them and win them with the Love of God. However, He was very harsh with the folks who were unloving towards others and self-righteous about their legalistic obedience to the "dead letter" of the scripture - which ONLY kills.

He even condemned THEM to hell and said that they were the blind who were leading the blind and therefore they would both fall into the ditch. He said that they laid burdens on peoples shoulders that they couldn't bear and traveled the globe to make disciples - only to make them twice as much a child of hell as they were!
Contrary to the self-righteous religious hypocrites - He understood, lived, taught and applied the "spirit" of the Word - which brings LIFE! He felt so strongly about all of this that He even said that the worst kind of sinner (a tax collector) who is simply honest before God about His spiritual condition - would be saved and the self-righteous religious person who kept the letter of the Word to the smallest detail would be damned! THAT is what Jesus said. You know – the ONE that you SAY you are following. Are you going to disagree with Him about that? If so, then you must be following someone else's idea about salvation "in the name of the Lord".

All I have done in this forum is come here and observe which of these two kinds of people you are and address that in the same manner that Jesus did. I don't know who you are imitating but it sure is NOT the Jesus that is portrayed in the Bible that you say you believe and follow. Long ago, I gave up the legalism that kills and have sought to study and learn as much as I could about this Jesus on which all of Christianity is supposed to be built. Now I just try to imitate Him and Him alone. I have made Him my mentor. I believe that this is my safest bet to ensure that I please God and obtain eternal life. From what I have observed so far from your attitude and doctrine – you evidently think that you have a “better” idea about that!

In fact THAT is what my entire blog is about. I try my best to work through all of the traditions of men and various legalistic interpretations of the essense of the Bible and show people the simple truth of what God wants from them. In other words the simple but overall message of what God wants us to understand from the word of God when it is all taken together. Each of my blog post is only one piece of that puzzle as it were. If you put them all together you can see the whole picture. If you do not care to do that - that is entirely up to you. That is your loss.

So as I have pointed out - you have demonstrated another nature other than the nature of Jesus when you accused me as you did - and without evidence. Then you never apologized or asked forgiveness. Don't you believe in and preach those things to be part of good godly character and of good relationships? Then why don't you practice those here? I have not received ANY kind of welcome or acceptance here. Therefore, why should I treat you any different than I have?

This place reminds the of the Sanhedrin where they had Jesus on trial and were not open to anything He had to say - but instead would stoop to any level to discredit Him and justify themselves. With the spirit or attitude that you are demonstrating - if you lived in the time of Jesus and were the religious leaders of that day - you would crucify me too!

You try your best to pick apart everything I say - rather than understand it. You even try to pick apart every gramatical error that I make - as if somehow that were a major fault that needs to be concentrated on. (But then desperate people - do desperate things. Evidently, you are just THAT desperate to discredit me and justify yourselves!) You major on the minors and minor on the majors. You are like the Pharisees of whom Jesus said, "You strain out a knat (from your drink) but you swallow a camel!

You should learn some of the major things that God is concerned with such as mercy and justice. However, evidently the desire for or love of those things are not in you. If they were - they would express themselves.

As far as my daughter is concerned. She is just find thank you. But if she did need a place to stay - I would rather leave her in a cage of poisonous snakes than with one of you! She would be MUCH better off!

[Daisy Mae Johnson]

Re: Crazed Doped-Up Hippie Church Raided

First of all every new registrant is labeled "Unsaved Trash" until they prove they are worthy of being a True Christian.

Secondly, if you want to put your daughter in a cage you need to read this thread.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=2344

Helpful, Sister Thumper

p/s: Paragraphs and not using too much bold are your friends.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Crazed Doped-Up Hippie Church Raided

Now it's all bold too! Thanks tons! I'm going to read it, but it's going to take a while.

See you in a few hours. You sir are no Shakespeare. Brevity is certainly not the soul of your wit.