[Victorian Christian]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

It had nothing to do with a female singer, when did sex even become a question here? It is about a genre of music, that you obviously think is evil for what reason exactly?
I am no catholic, simply because I don't believe in the Pope's authority.
I can't see why anyone would be angry about my posts since I think I made it clear I don't want to fight. It seems as though everyone wants to though.
I understand that this is a christian forum, and I believe that Ezekiel wrote to me you took Gods word on the letter. I believe in the bible, clearly you must be confusing the Word with another book, one that writes of hate and negativity. Swearing, cursing, anger and offence is not going to enlighten anyone. I wrote already you can get as graphical as you want, it won't do you any good. If God hates the sin and the sinner, then God must hate all, for as our saviour said; Let him without sin cast the first stone.
A God build of hate is not a God to worship. And he is not my God.
If you wish to worship such a God you go right ahead, see what it's going to get you. I don't believe in hate. I feel sorry for those who does.
If God hated us so much, then why would he send his son to die for us, to give his life for our salvation? You're so fond of quoting so here you go:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3, 16

It was done out of love.

God will punish the ones worth of his punishment soon enough, it is his place to judge and his place only. And I believe he does so just fine trying to better than Him would be quite arrogant of a simple mortal. To quote Bathfire "humility is a virtue."

[Jacob the Angry Liar]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

I believe in the Bible, clearly you must be confusing the Word with another book, one that writes of hate and negativity.

Clearly you haven't read the Bible, or only read the Gospels. You need to read the whole thing (1611KJV only!) or you will go to Hell. Don't skip over Leviticus or Deuteronomy. Great stuff!

[GOD=life]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

If you wish to worship such a God you go right ahead, see what it's going to get you.

It's going to get me a spot in Heaven.

We worship the God of the Bible.

Which God do you worship?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

It had nothing to do with a female singer, when did sex even become a question here? It is about a genre of music, that you obviously think is evil for what reason exactly?
I am no catholic, simply because I don't believe in the Pope's authority.
I can't see why anyone would be angry about my posts since I think I made it clear I don't want to fight. It seems as though everyone wants to though.
I understand that this is a christian forum, and I believe that Ezekiel wrote to me you took Gods word on the letter. I believe in the bible, clearly you must be confusing the Word with another book, one that writes of hate and negativity. Swearing, cursing, anger and offence is not going to enlighten anyone. I wrote already you can get as graphical as you want, it won't do you any good. If God hates the sin and the sinner, then God must hate all, for as our saviour said; Let him without sin cast the first stone.
A God build of hate is not a God to worship. And he is not my God.
If you wish to worship such a God you go right ahead, see what it's going to get you. I don't believe in hate. I feel sorry for those who does.
If God hated us so much, then why would he send his son to die for us, to give his life for our salvation? You're so fond of quoting so here you go:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3, 16

It was done out of love.

God will punish the ones worth of his punishment soon enough, it is his place to judge and his place only. And I believe he does so just fine trying to better than Him would be quite arrogant of a simple mortal. To quote Bathfire "humility is a virtue."

Lady, who are you to be lecturing us?

"Jesus does not hate anyone."

That's not true. God hates the sin AND the sinner, and Jesus is God (John 10:30 I and my Father are one.).

Lev 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

Please read the WHOLE Bible before it's too late.

Before you complain about the the fact that the verses I cited were from the Old Testament, as if that somehow makes them worthless, consider this:

In the Old Testament, it says that God hates "all workers of iniquity" (Ps 5:5).

In the New Testament, what does Jesus say that he is going to do to these workers of iniquity? Is he going to love them? Is he going to be their pal, and tell them that it's ok to be themselves? Let's see...

Matt 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I pray that you have found this enlightening.

[Victorian Christian]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

Praising a God of Hate is not going to do anyone any good. That is what I believe, and yes Jacob I have read the entire book, in two languages. I have also read the Koran, the Hadiths, the hindi Veda's, the buddhist Siddharta Gautama texts and many more, as I am studying religion at the university.
Of all these religious texts the one I believe in is the Bible, others might have good ideas, but that doesn't make them right.
I don't even believe God killed the entire population with the Flood, because he hated us. He did it to start over, to give Earth another chance, out of love for His creation. He didn't punish Aaron for worshipping the golden bull out of spite or hate, he let his people wander around in the desert for fourty years out of care. If he hadn't cared about us, he would never have given us so many chances to be all that we can be, and mankind can be so good.
He has given us that potential, and he keeps on trying to help us to live up to that potential every single day. God is not an evil kid with a magnifying glass and an antfarm, it makes me so sad that people make him seem that way.

"Since you are precious to me, you are honored and I love you" Isiah 43;4

[GOD=life]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

You raise some good points. Often, people ask "but why does God tortutre people so, does He hate them?" -- a simpleton might say God hates us. That is not so, God LOVES us. We just can't expect life to be easy peasy all the time.

If it takes 40 years of wandering in the desert to get to Heaven, hey, so be it! Please make it so!

[Victorian Christian]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

Finally someone agrees with me, thank you!
God does not hate us, he loves us. He will show us the way to paradise, for He is kind and merciful, there is no question about that, no argument.
The real question is; do we dare to walk it? The path of rightiousness is so slim and difficult and not always comfortable. We will get disappointed and discouraged, but we cannot abandone Him. He would never abandone us.
He cares about us immensely, and he does know every action you'll ever make. He knows every inch of you since before you were born, and his love streches to every inch. We are embraced by his love every day, whether you are a white christian, a black christian, asian or native americain. If you are babtised and dare walk his path to heaven, by acting right as he would want us to, you will be saved. Your actions will save you. Your chioces will save you. Or condem you. Not your colour, not your clothes. Your steps on Gods Path, and your steps outside it, those are vital.

[livia_warumono]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

Brother Percy, I am really sorry about your disability.. You have something very wrong in your head.. but please do not take it out on goths.

Gothic People DO NOT hate babies.
i have NEVER seen any one walk up to a pram and kick it over, or punch a baby in the face for 20 minutes! i have gothic friends who have been awsome baby sitters, and loved by the children and family. the are nice people!
I know people who fit your description of gothic, who have children and are great mothers! Their children are smart! and will grow up to be much better people with better chances in life than some poor disillusioned child who grew up in a christian family, told to talk to himself everyday, and thank the air for what hes recieved on his dinner plate.
And the abuse? Abuse is something that is present in every culture! You cannot expect anyone to believe that a christian man or woman has never hurt a child.


Goths are NOT pedophiles either!
and as for vampirefreaks.com i actually have an account on there, and there are many christians, preps, and "normal" kids on there too.
there are a few bad people on EVERY website i'm sure, and as for this one! I couldnt begin to describe the horribleness or people! i am yet to see someone who is NOT "unsaved trash" that are not racist or cruel to at least one group of people!

Gothic people do NOT kill their classmates!
ok so, how many school killings have their been?
and how many goths are there?
ALOT more goths than Killings, and to connect them together is just bullshit!
How many of you have actually ever talked to a goth? im sure if you did, youd find that most of them are really loving kind people!


And NO, Goths are Not vampires either.
Goths are normal people. vampires are fictional.
goths are real.
goths do not actually drink each others blood. most people are smart enough not to try something that stupid.

Brother Percy, i think your a pedophilic baby hating, murderous vampire in disguise arent you??

[Jacob the Angry Liar]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

tl;dr

I don't know about you, but I would never let a goth babysit my children. I wouldn't even let one in my house.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

Finally someone agrees with me, thank you!
God does not hate us, he loves us. He will show us the way to paradise, for He is kind and merciful, there is no question about that, no argument.
The real question is; do we dare to walk it? The path of rightiousness is so slim and difficult and not always comfortable. We will get disappointed and discouraged, but we cannot abandone Him. He would never abandone us.
He cares about us immensely, and he does know every action you'll ever make. He knows every inch of you since before you were born, and his love streches to every inch. We are embraced by his love every day, whether you are a white christian, a black christian, asian or native americain. If you are babtised and dare walk his path to heaven, by acting right as he would want us to, you will be saved. Your actions will save you. Your chioces will save you. Or condem you. Not your colour, not your clothes. Your steps on Gods Path, and your steps outside it, those are vital.

You are an addle-brained girl who should stick with baking pies and scrubbing kitchen floors.

God doesn't love everybody:

Proverbs 6
[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[18] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[19] A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

And don't give me any "He hates the sin, not the sinner" crap...

Matthew 13
[38] The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
[39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
[40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
[41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
[42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[Victorian Christian]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

I have told you before, Pastor I do not udnerstand your need to be graphical about anything. I am not trying to pick a fight with you, and nomatter what it is you think I should be doing you must know by now that your oppinion on that matter is highly irrelevant for me, though I am sorry to say.
I know I can't agree with everyone, that is utopic and impossible, but at least one of you True Christian rated members saw my point, and agreed.
That is enough for me. We can disagree and still talk politely to eachother can't we? We don't have to shout at eachother or leave spiteful remarks do we? We can peacefully co-exist respectfully disagreeing on certain matters can't we? Or are you so consumed of being right that you must continue this discussion? Why not just lay down the axe, and agree to disagree?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

Why not just lay down the axe, and agree to disagree?

Because that would result in your eternal damnation to hell. The reason there is so much True Christian tough love here is because we care.

[Victorian Christian]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

But believing that God is a loving and caring Almighty Father, cannot possibly damn me to hell Old Man. There is still no reason to get shout and yell in here, I am quite a good listener, if people will take the time to discuss things with me, in an adult manner where we can both be allowed to speak.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

But believing that God is a loving and caring Almighty Father, cannot possibly damn me to hell Old Man.

Of course not. Loving Jesus is not a crime. But we believe not following the Holy Bible to the letter is a crime.

There is still no reason to get shout and yell in here, I am quite a good listener

I didn't have the feeling I was shouting at you to be honest. Just disagreeing with you.

if people will take the time to discuss things with me, in an adult manner where we can both be allowed to speak.

I don't know you that well yet, so a question I have. What do you consider the role of the Bible to be in your life?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: WHY ALL GOTHICS ARE CHILD-ABUSING SCHOOL-SHOOTING PSYCHOPATHS

[...] I am quite a good listener, if people will take the time to discuss things with me, in an adult manner where we can both be allowed to speak.

Hands up everyone who can't stand a wimpish, limp-wristed, passive-aggressive attitude.

Re:3:16: So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.