Hello Everybody!

[Nicholas]

As I am not a member of this church, I am just wondering why I am going to hell?

Quite honestly, I'm sure you're all very good people. This isn't some heavy metal forum, it's a religious forum, so logic follows that you're mostly caring people.

I am just wondering why I am going to hell? I am open to explanations and I have a very open mind. I wasn't raised religious and I am very open to hearing what you have to say.

P.S. I signed up under the name 'Phaedo', and I was banned instantly for some reason. I chose that name because it was Phaedo who documented 'The Apology' which details Socrates' apology at his trial and execution for his Godlessness.

Thank you,
Nick

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Hello Everybody!

The Bible makes it perfectly clear that those who do not accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior will go to Hell.

However, fear not, for there is still time to change your destination! We at Landover Baptist Church are True Christians(tm) who can ensure for you that you will get to Heaven. We follow the Bible 100% (we're not like those fake churches that pick and choose which parts of God's law to follow) and the Bible tells us that what we are doing will gain us access to the Kingdom of God.

Listen to our pastors, follow our examples, read the KJV 1611 everyday, study it, pray to Jesus, and tithe regularily and you won't have to worry about spending an eternity in Hell.

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask! Getting people Saved(c) is our business!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello Everybody!

As I am not a member of this church, I am just wondering why I am going to hell?

Quite honestly, I'm sure you're all very good people. This isn't some heavy metal forum, it's a religious forum, so logic follows that you're mostly caring people.

I am just wondering why I am going to hell? I am open to explanations and I have a very open mind. I wasn't raised religious and I am very open to hearing what you have to say.

We are the most caring people you will ever encounter, son. We are True Christians(tm), God's chosen, and we will do whatever it takes to get you Saved(c).

God has a special plan for our Salvation(c). If you follow it, you will be rewarded with eternal life up in Heaven. If you choose to reject Jesus and His temporary sacrifice on the cross at Calvary, then you can expect to be rewarded with an eternity in hellfire. Your choice.

Please tell us about yourself. How old are you? What do you know about Jesus? You aren't a pervert are you?

P.S. I signed up under the name 'Phaedo', and I was banned instantly for some reason. I chose that name because it was Phaedo who documented 'The Apology' which details Socrates' apology at his trial and execution for his Godlessness.

Thank you,
Nick

My guess is that our JesOS Operating system automatically rejected that name, because God does not approve of Greek sodomites. You aren't a pervert, are you?

[Nicholas]

Re: Hello Everybody!

We are the most caring people you will ever encounter, son. We are True Christians™, God's chosen, and we will do whatever it takes to get you Saved©.

God has a special plan for our Salvation©. If you follow it, you will be rewarded with eternal life up in Heaven. If you choose to reject Jesus and His temporary sacrifice on the cross at Calvary, then you can expect to be rewarded with an eternity in hellfire. Your choice.

Please tell us about yourself. How old are you? What do you know about Jesus? You aren't a pervert are you?



My guess is that our JesOS Operating system automatically rejected that name, because God does not approve of Greek sodomites. You aren't a pervert, are you?

I don't know why you keep accusing me of being a pervert when I come here seeking open arms. Although the concept of being a pervert is completely subjective because everybody has different standard, by my own, strict, standards I am not a pervert.

I can appreciate the teachings of Jesus, but there is something about the prospect of committing to a single sect of Christianity which frightens me.

Admittedly, there are many many branches of Christianity, and some seem downright unreasonable. My concern is, due to the nature of faith, it makes any religion downright unprovable. There can be no possible objective truth. So even if you were wrong, you couldn't possibly know. As much as I respect all your beliefs, I doubt other religions believe less than you, as they strap bombs to themselves to support their cause, so how can you (or more specifically, I) possibly know who God, in his absolute wisdom, supports.

You'll have to excuse my other seemingly asinine secular concerns, but where you claim to be True Christians, trade marked and everything, because other "Christians" pick and choose out of the bible, does this church not do the exact same thing by following the King James bible? From my understanding there were several books of gospel left out and is that not the exact thing?

Sorry for my ignorance, any answer is greatly appreciated!

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Hello Everybody!

Nicholas, you strike me as an intelligent, albeit quite misguided fellow. You have the smarts to realize the Truth, but you have yet to have the Truth explained to you. Allow me to explain your questions...

I can appreciate the teachings of Jesus, but there is something about the prospect of committing to a single sect of Christianity which frightens me.

Well there is only ONE true sect of Christianity which is right, and that's True Christianity™. The reason we are right is because we follow the Bible 100% and do not deviate from it. We do not twist Scripture. We are not like the Roman Catholic Papists that ignore "thou shalt not have any graven images" and pray to statues. We are not Mormons who have come up with a whole other "religious" book in defiance of what the Bible teaches us: "Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you." We are not Salad-Bar Christians (like Methodists, Episcopalians, etc.) who believe some of the Bible but disregard others (like the fact that homosexuality is a sin)

The truth is, there can only be ONE True Christianity, and that is what we are.

Admittedly, there are many many branches of Christianity, and some seem downright unreasonable. My concern is, due to the nature of faith, it makes any religion downright unprovable. There can be no possible objective truth. So even if you were wrong, you couldn't possibly know. As much as I respect all your beliefs, I doubt other religions believe less than you, as they strap bombs to themselves to support their cause, so how can you (or more specifically, I) possibly know who God, in his absolute wisdom, supports.

Just because there are a myriad of heretical "Christian" sects does not mean True Christianity™ is invalid. It is not unprovable like you claim, since we follow the King James Bible thoroughly and literally, and the KJV1611 says it is true, therefore we are true in our beliefs.

You'll have to excuse my other seemingly asinine secular concerns, but where you claim to be True Christians, trade marked and everything, because other "Christians" pick and choose out of the bible, does this church not do the exact same thing by following the King James bible? From my understanding there were several books of gospel left out and is that not the exact thing?

No, we do not pick and choose. We follow the KJV1611 because it is the most accurate translation. Other churches follow false Bibles with errant translations so they are not hearing what God is saying, just hearsay. We have trademarked these terms at the advice of our lawyers. And the reason there are "several books of gospel left out" is because they are false books. They are apocrypha. No more valid than the Book of Mormon.

I hope this has helped.

[Nicholas]

Re: Hello Everybody!

Just because there are a myriad of heretical "Christian" sects does not mean True Christianity™ is invalid. It is not unprovable like you claim, since we follow the King James Bible thoroughly and literally, and the KJV1611 says it is true, therefore we are true in our beliefs.

I appreciate your correspondence with me because it is indeed helping!

However, my concern wasn't necessarily the heresy of other sects, but more so the very obstacle of faith itself. Because of it's spiritual nature, any affront can be easily dismissed based purely on your idea of absolute knowledge. This makes true objectivity immediately and absolutely impossible. I am mostly curious as to the possibility if, theoretically, you (or I, or anyone of any religion) were wrong, could they be explicitly and concisely proved wrong on terms acceptable to them? I am only curious because it relates to the ability of other people of other faiths and the possibility of saving them. Does God mean instill this heretical faith in his Children in order to doom them to fire and brimstone? Are some people just not meant to be saved? It breaks my heart to think that even if I was saved by accepting Jesus into my life, absolutely everybody I've ever known or care about would serve eternity in hell, and there isn't anything I can do about it due to the very nature of faith itself. Is there anything we know about God's plan? What can we do? I don't want to be saved by myself, I suppose is the summary. I hope you understand.

Thanks again so much, Reverend.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Hello Everybody!

However, my concern wasn't necessarily the heresy of other sects, but more so the very obstacle of faith itself.

Faith is not an obstacle, in fact faith is necessary for Salvation(c)

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Faith is necessary to live in eternity with Jesus Christ. And before you attack "faith" as some irrational belief, remember that we have faith in our everyday lives...

Do we not have faith in automobiles, despite not understanding them?
Do you have faith in chemistry and physics, without totally understanding their natures?
Do you have faith your boss will pay you next week?
Do you have faith in your friends and loved ones to stick with you and not betray you?

In fact, most of life is faith. There is very, very little we know "for sure", and by that I mean have witnessed with our own senses. Atheists like to say that faith is meaningless, while simultaneously living faith-based lives. We truly know nothing. Faith is what keeps us living.

I am only curious because it relates to the ability of other people of other faiths and the possibility of saving them. Does God mean instill this heretical faith in his Children in order to doom them to fire and brimstone? Are some people just not meant to be saved?

God has given us free will. People choose whether or not to accept Christ as savior. God has not made us robots, blindly following his will. He has given us free will. Those that go to Hell go out of their own free choices.

It breaks my heart to think that even if I was saved by accepting Jesus into my life, absolutely everybody I've ever known or care about would serve eternity in hell, and there isn't anything I can do about it due to the very nature of faith itself. Is there anything we know about God's plan? What can we do? I don't want to be saved by myself, I suppose is the summary. I hope you understand.

I understand your sentiment, but realize the road to Heaven is narrow and the road to Hell is wide. Jesus himself said: Matthew 7:13-14: 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

The only way to the Kingdom of Heaven is through Jesus Christ, per the Gospel of John. So, while many will be damned to Hell, you can stop it by preaching to others the truth of what the Bible teaches us. You can help save those you love by teaching them the truth that is written in the Gospels.

Thanks again so much, Reverend.

Your welcome, most sincerely. I hope to lead you to the Light of Christ.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello Everybody!

I don't know why you keep accusing me of being a pervert when I come here seeking open arms. Although the concept of being a pervert is completely subjective because everybody has different standard, by my own, strict, standards I am not a pervert.

No one has accused you of being a pervert. I just asked. You may have noticed that we get all manner of degenerates wandering in here, usually with mischief on their minds. We have to be careful. There are countless demons out there who would love nothing more than to bring our church down.

By the way; the standard of perversion cannot, I'm sure you'll understand, be a subjective notion. We follow the Holy Word of God, every word of it. He teaches us what pervert means. God decides, not you or I.

I can appreciate the teachings of Jesus, but there is something about the prospect of committing to a single sect of Christianity which frightens me.

The Holy Bible tells us that there are many false churches, many antiChrists, many deceivers out in the world today. Landover Baptist Church is God's favorite, because we adhere to His every commandment, His every whim. The rest are all cherry-pickers, candy-coaters, or outright liars.

[TheLordSavedMe]

Re: Hello Everybody!

Nicholas,
I have not been on this forum very long, but the Pastor and the Reverend are RIGHT, this is the one Church that God likes the most!

How do I know? Well, they all love Jesus hear soooooo much and we all read the KJV 1611 Bible like all the time, and everyone is always praising Jesus and rebuking sinners, just like the Bible tells us we must do, so how could God not think Landover is the very best church?

It's really obvious when you think about it! Thanks for coming and I'm glad we met you! God Bless you,

Tammi

[Nicholas]

Re: Hello Everybody!

Apologies if you misunderstood me, but I did not mean faith per se was a negative force. I merely meant the obstacle it presents in other people when you try to save them.

All people who believe in God (corrupted gospel, or otherwise) have a strong unique brand of faith which is virtually unchangeable. The same reason all of your faiths are so strong, is the same reason why it is so difficult to convert other people to the good side!

And to you, Pastor, I understand where you come from. However, having been raised not religious I have more of an insight into the people who come here and flame you. Their families raise them on a set of values not unlike your own, but with various (however heretical) modifications. This varies on a family to family basis. It is my assumption that many, with the removal of the anonymity that the internet so conveniently provides, DO in fact have well developed moral compasses. I'm not talking about the people who come here who fill the boards with inane spam and the people who DDoS your server, as they are malicious. I speak more of the people who come here and are outraged at what they see. They flame you the same way you would probably flame a Shi'ite Muslim discussion on the dynamics of the prayer rug. That, coupled with the fact of the fear they feel when they come here. They see people who are so certain of their beliefs, when they have no idea what they believe or are wary at best, and they worry. It is, in this instance, a case of "If you're right, I go to hell, if I'm right, nothing awaits me". Either of these choices is frightening, and at the same time, the subtle (or massive) differences in your moral choices also frighten them because they have been raised their entire life to think a certain way, as you have. I propose that all men are instilled with the same hard-boiled faith, but where it is placed is a matter of sociological factors (where you are born, who your parents are, etc.) They want something to believe in, but at the same time, like you, they have difficulty in compromising what they believe in.

Why hate these poor misguided souls? Would Jesus laugh and snicker at people who he thought were going to hell? Although I only have a rudimentary understanding of Jesus Christ, from what I understand he probably wouldn't. I'm sorry if my assumptions are incorrect. Isn't it counter-productive to label these people as "unsaved trash" and snicker at them from the entrance to heaven. Just because they're angry doesn't mean they aren't lost souls seeking salvation, they are just placing their anger on you that they actually have for their entire situation. They're angry that their family has no faith in God, they're angry that they've been raised in such a way that the teachings of Jesus don't make sense. All of you have been dealt a pretty good hand in the sense that you came across this Church, it instantly clicked, and you're saved. Shouldn't we afford the people who are filled with conflict and torment the benefit of the doubt, and extend to them our love and compassion, as opposed to our jeers? Under the premise of a loving, benevolent God, it seems to me that he would love to have a few more of his Children saved.

P.S. This is not the inane ramblings of a mentally ill atheist because I quite firmly believe in God. I'm just not sure what he wants from me yet.

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: Hello Everybody!

Apologies if you misunderstood me, but I did not mean faith per se was a negative force. I merely meant the obstacle it presents in other people when you try to save them.

All people who believe in God (corrupted gospel, or otherwise) have a strong unique brand of faith which is virtually unchangeable. The same reason all of your faiths are so strong, is the same reason why it is so difficult to convert other people to the good side!

And to you, Pastor, I understand where you come from. However, having been raised not religious I have more of an insight into the people who come here and flame you. Their families raise them on a set of values not unlike your own, but with various (however heretical) modifications. This varies on a family to family basis. It is my assumption that many, with the removal of the anonymity that the internet so conveniently provides, DO in fact have well developed moral compasses. I'm not talking about the people who come here who fill the boards with inane spam and the people who DDoS your server, as they are malicious. I speak more of the people who come here and are outraged at what they see. They flame you the same way you would probably flame a Shi'ite Muslim discussion on the dynamics of the prayer rug. That, coupled with the fact of the fear they feel when they come here. They see people who are so certain of their beliefs, when they have no idea what they believe or are wary at best, and they worry. It is, in this instance, a case of "If you're right, I go to hell, if I'm right, nothing awaits me". Either of these choices is frightening, and at the same time, the subtle (or massive) differences in your moral choices also frighten them because they have been raised their entire life to think a certain way, as you have. I propose that all men are instilled with the same hard-boiled faith, but where it is placed is a matter of sociological factors (where you are born, who your parents are, etc.) They want something to believe in, but at the same time, like you, they have difficulty in compromising what they believe in.

Why hate these poor misguided souls? Would Jesus laugh and snicker at people who he thought were going to hell? Although I only have a rudimentary understanding of Jesus Christ, from what I understand he probably wouldn't. I'm sorry if my assumptions are incorrect. Isn't it counter-productive to label these people as "unsaved trash" and snicker at them from the entrance to heaven. Just because they're angry doesn't mean they aren't lost souls seeking salvation, they are just placing their anger on you that they actually have for their entire situation. They're angry that their family has no faith in God, they're angry that they've been raised in such a way that the teachings of Jesus don't make sense. All of you have been dealt a pretty good hand in the sense that you came across this Church, it instantly clicked, and you're saved. Shouldn't we afford the people who are filled with conflict and torment the benefit of the doubt, and extend to them our love and compassion, as opposed to our jeers? Under the premise of a loving, benevolent God, it seems to me that he would love to have a few more of his Children saved.

P.S. This is not the inane ramblings of a mentally ill atheist because I quite firmly believe in God. I'm just not sure what he wants from me yet.

There is an awful lot there to discuss. I wont even try. Lets try one thing I notice. I get the overall impression that you think we are too hard on people. You might want to pick up an AV 1611 and read Matthew 23. Keep in mind this is Jesus talking.

I'll try to help as best I can but long rambling posts are difficult. Try to be more concise with your questions and statements.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Nicholas]

Re: Hello Everybody!

I appreciate your input, even if it was stated in an overtly condescending fashion.

I don't think you're too hard on people, but I certainly think you're too hard on the wrong people.

I think you're confusing the notion of being concise with simple ideas. If you read through my points are explicitly stated, and all relative to each other separated into paragraphs. I couldn't of left any of it out without diluting the thesis. So, it's very concise. If you take your time to actually read my objection, I'd appreciate a proper answer, as the problem presented here is largely why so few people are going to Heaven.

Thank you

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: Hello Everybody!

I appreciate your input, even if it was stated in an overtly condescending fashion.

I don't think you're too hard on people, but I certainly think you're too hard on the wrong people.

I think you're confusing the notion of being concise with simple ideas. If you read through my points are explicitly stated, and all relative to each other separated into paragraphs. I couldn't of left any of it out without diluting the thesis. So, it's very concise. If you take your time to actually read my objection, I'd appreciate a proper answer, as the problem presented here is largely why so few people are going to Heaven.

Thank you

Condescending? Never mind. You're too thin skinned. Maybe someone else will try to help. You could help yourself by reading the Pastors Rules and Announcements. Pay close attention to the "noobs" thread.

Good luck!

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Hello Everybody!

I have little or no idea where you get the idea of a Loving God. Look on God as the final Police Force. Obey the law and all is well, break the law and the only punishment available to you is Eternal Torment in the darkness of the Pits of Hell.

First I assume that you know that God is triune – He comprises The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. All are one. So what The Father says or does is done by the other 2 parts of God and so on.

Look at these verses, Deut. 32:39: See now that I, [even] I, [am] he, and [there is] no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither [is there any] that can deliver out of my hand.


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


As for other religions,

Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Deuteronomy 5:1-22

Pretty clear eh? Worship a false god and it’s Damnation for you.

To help you one your way, here’s a little mental exercise for you, look up the verse and the verses around it:

John 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”


Here we see that although Jesus was born in Bethlehem, He was present at the creation of the World, how can that be? What does it tell us about Jesus?

[Nicholas]

Re: Hello Everybody!

That he is also God.

But, a cliffnotes version of my question, are other people in following other religions meant to be saved or damned?