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  • My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

    I just recently began reading posts on this site, and only a few minutes ago did I activate my account here, simply to ask a few questions and maybe clear up a few of my questions, concerns, or whatever they are.

    Now, just to start off, I am currently a Christian, the church I go to is non-denominational, but is Protestant in customs. (I'm sure you know, the two main sects of Christianity are Catholicism and then Protestantism, with Protestantism having many branches, including the church this forum is based off of, Landover Baptist). I was raised Catholic, baptized as an infant, confirmed as a child, and followed the custom of Communion (wine and wafer, representing Christ's gift to his disciples at the Last Supper). Please, I must ask you (because I've seen these actions rampant on here), do not insult my upbringings, as I do believe that Catholicism is a very legitimate form of Christianity, it just happens to be a most rite and tradition-based mass as opposed to lectures or sermons.

    During my life, my family's been through a lot of difficulty (my sister was diagnosed with depression and bi-polar disorder at a young age, but she no longer suffers from it, after years of treatment.) During that time, I lost Faith, but now I like to believe it was a bit more than medication and doctors that made my sister better. Recently, thanks to my new church, and my wonderful girlfriend (with whom we have vowed abstinence till marriage, mind you ), I've come back to God and Christianity.

    I found this forum, just looking around the internet, and I was interested. I'd never been part of a religious forum before, and though it would be a great teaching tool...but what I've found has been contradictory of many lessons I've been taught...Love Thy Neighbor, do unto others as you would have done unto yourself, etc. Mind you, I've seen many loving posts here, I'm not denying that, but my question is this: Why do so many of you (well, actually I'm seeing a large amount of this from 4 users in particular, I'm sure you know) show hatred towards people of other belief?

    Homosexuals: "Gay" is not a derogatory term. It is a sexual preference. Yes, the Holy Bible (I studied the KJV as a child and now read an NIV Study Bible) says that it is not the natural way...but who are we to condemn others? Should we not show love to all around us? You consider it a disease...in Jesus's travels, did he ever come across a sick man, declare him an abomination, and smite him right there? No, he helped, and healed, through love and compassion. Re-read that last sentence. Love & Compassion. Do you not agree that kindly helping someone along the path to God is more effective than stoning them and dragging their body behind your horses? Jesus did.

    Atheists/Other religions: Why did God give us free will? So that we may choose what we believe! Some may not agree with you, but is it your place to insult them? To ridicule your fellow humans? If anything, it is God's place to show them the light. If he does not, then it is for a reason. We have judges that try criminals, but please keep in mind that being a Christian does not give us the power of Judgement over other peoples' beliefs. That belongs to only one entity in our universe, God. Jesus. Yahweh. Adonai. Whatever you call Him, He is the same, and it's not our place to declare His authority as our own.

    In my time of faithlessness, do you think seeing you people on here condemn me, say that I am eternally damned, and otherwise belittle me, would have helped me come back to God? All it took was understanding from my Pastor, and a FAMILY in my church. What you have here is not a family. It is a lynch mob, protecting your own and slandering the rest. If this is what it means to be Christian, why should I be any part of it? If this were my Church, I would not have anything to do with it.

    "I love your Christ, but I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ".

    -Kevin, Arizona



    P.S. I understand that was a long read, thanks for all who saw it all. May God bless you, as he has blessed my family, me, and countless others. You're in my prayers.

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    Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

    Oh, I'm also a bit confused...why does it say I'm unsaved trash, when I just joined? Is that really the beginning of the forum ranks, or did I say something wrong already?

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    • #3
      Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

      Forgive me, I'll be with you in a moment, I'm trying to get through a wall of text to find the question.
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      • #4
        Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

        Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
        Forgive me, I'll be with you in a moment, I'm trying to get through a wall of text to find the question.

        I don't know if that was MEANT to be rude, but the questions aren't hard to spot. They're the sentences with question marks after them. Those look like this : "?"

        For future reference.

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        • #5
          Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

          Originally posted by Viva Redemption View Post
          Now, just to start off, I am currently a Christian, the church I go to is non-denominational, but is Protestant in customs. (I'm sure you know, the two main sects of Christianity are Catholicism and then Protestantism, with Protestantism having many branches, including the church this forum is based off of, Landover Baptist). I was raised Catholic, baptized as an infant, confirmed as a child, and followed the custom of Communion (wine and wafer, representing Christ's gift to his disciples at the Last Supper). Please, I must ask you (because I've seen these actions rampant on here), do not insult my upbringings, as I do believe that Catholicism is a very legitimate form of Christianity, it just happens to be a most rite and tradition-based mass as opposed to lectures or sermons.
          You apparently don't consider Eastern Orthodoxy to be a "very legitimate form of Christianity." How is the Roman institution any more legitimately Christian? Don't they fall into many of the same errors?

          I found this forum, just looking around the internet, and I was interested. I'd never been part of a religious forum before, and though it would be a great teaching tool...but what I've found has been contradictory of many lessons I've been taught...Love Thy Neighbor, do unto others as you would have done unto yourself, etc. Mind you, I've seen many loving posts here, I'm not denying that, but my question is this: Why do so many of you (well, actually I'm seeing a large amount of this from 4 users in particular, I'm sure you know) show hatred towards people of other belief?
          Who is our neighbor, according to the Bible?

          Homosexuals: "Gay" is not a derogatory term. It is a sexual preference. Yes, the Holy Bible (I studied the KJV as a child and now read an NIV Study Bible) says that it is not the natural way...but who are we to condemn others? Should we not show love to all around us? You consider it a disease...in Jesus's travels, did he ever come across a sick man, declare him an abomination, and smite him right there? No, he helped, and healed, through love and compassion. Re-read that last sentence. Love & Compassion. Do you not agree that kindly helping someone along the path to God is more effective than stoning them and dragging their body behind your horses? Jesus did.
          We have enough Christian love for them that we warn them away from their deathstyle choice. Both the Old and New Testaments consider homosexuals to be worthy of death:

          Lev. 20:13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

          Rom. 1:32: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


          You talk about what Jesus said and did, but where in the Gospels does it say that He disagreed with His Father on homosexuality?

          Atheists/Other religions: Why did God give us free will? So that we may choose what we believe! Some may not agree with you, but is it your place to insult them? To ridicule your fellow humans? If anything, it is God's place to show them the light. If he does not, then it is for a reason.
          You start out talking about free will, and you end up talking about predestination. Which do you believe?

          We have judges that try criminals, but please keep in mind that being a Christian does not give us the power of Judgement over other peoples' beliefs. That belongs to only one entity in our universe, God. Jesus. Yahweh. Adonai. Whatever you call Him, He is the same, and it's not our place to declare His authority as our own.
          And He said this:

          John:7:24: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

          There's a thread that you were supposed to read before posting that talks about whether Christians should judge.

          In my time of faithlessness, do you think seeing you people on here condemn me, say that I am eternally damned, and otherwise belittle me, would have helped me come back to God? All it took was understanding from my Pastor, and a FAMILY in my church. What you have here is not a family. It is a lynch mob, protecting your own and slandering the rest. If this is what it means to be Christian, why should I be any part of it? If this were my Church, I would not have anything to do with it.

          (quote from a heathen deleted)

          -Kevin, Arizona
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          • #6
            Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

            Fisrt, you first post is a tall of text. Over the top.

            Second, who are you? Please read the forum faqs and do as they say. Thank you for your co-operation

            Also, many question may be easily ansered by using the handy dandy search function.

            Have a goog Godly Day!
            Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
            Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
            Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
            Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
            Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
            Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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            • #7
              Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

              Originally posted by Viva Redemption View Post
              [irrelevant wall of text removed without loss of meaning] what I've found has been contradictory of many lessons I've been taught...Love Thy Neighbor,
              Your churches have misled you – Catlix in particular do not teach the Bible, just selected passages.

              [irrelevant text removed without loss of meaning] Why do so many of you [irrelevant wall of text removed without loss of meaning]show hatred towards people of other belief?
              Son, did you EVER go to church? What does God say about how many gods you will have? What does Jesus say in Luke 19:27? What happens to those who worship false gods?
              Homosexuals: "Gay" is not a derogatory term. It is a sexual preference. Yes, the Holy Bible [irrelevant text removed without loss of meaning] says that it is not the natural way
              No, it does NOT! It says it is an abomination and those taking part MUST be killed!
              ...but who are we to condemn others?
              God tells us to judge in righteous judgment – we condemn no one; God condemns people – Or perhaps you think you know better than He? Perhaps you think He could do with taking some advice from you?
              Should we not show love to all around us?
              Maybe, as long as the object of our love is not an abomination or otherwise hated by God.
              You consider it a disease
              No, it is a lifestyle choice that leads directly to AIDS and then Death
              ...in Jesus's travels, did he ever come across a sick man, declare him an abomination, and smite him right there?
              You are not very bright are you. You are not top of the class for critical thinking. You CANNOT say it is a disease and then progress as if it were… It is NOT a disease therefore your little story is worthless.
              Atheists/Other religions: Why did God give us free will? So that we may choose what we believe!
              WRONG! He gave us freewill so that we might give freely of praise to Him.
              Some may not agree with you, but is it your place to insult them? To ridicule your fellow humans?
              Wait. These are people who reject God – does God like that? No! What does He do to those who reject Him? He sends them to the everlasting burning pits of brimstone and fire in eternal darkness.
              If anything, it is God's place to show them the light.
              Wrong again – God does not have “a place” or a duty to do anything (goodness knows it is years since He did anything but He is just as real as ever He was)

              I have become bored with your poverty-struck misunderstanding of God, The Bible and Christianity.


              I do not think I have ever met someone who failed to describe Christianity and God as much as you have.

              Please, for the sake of your soul – read the Bible – learn what Christianity really means – it is nothing, absolutely nothing, like you describe.
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              • #8
                Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

                In effort to not crowd the screen, I hope you won't mind if I just reply without quoting.

                -Eastern Orthodoxy: I don't have experience with this, if you're referring to branches like Greek Orthodoxy, then they're surprisingly similar to Catholicism. And of course they have many of the same faults or errors! Man interprets the Bible and religion, there will always be error, unless Jesus himself showed up Sunday morning and commenced the sermon. (That'd actually be pretty cool...except for the whole "not being able to look upon God's face" and everything )

                -Our neighbor: Depends on your translation, but Jesus loves everyone, and that seems like a pretty good plan to me!

                -Love: Yes! I've seen some amazing and inspiring posts here, it's beautiful! But imagine how much better Christians could spread the Word by showing that love to EVERYONE? It worked on me!

                -Jesus's actions: Jesus is God, so whatever he did was in full agreement with his Father. He loved and helped all those he could, shouldn't we?

                -Judgement: I myself don't believe I, or anyone else, will ever have the ability to understand true righteousness, let alone represent it completely. Help those you can, leave Judgement and Salvation to the one who's good at it

                -Where do politics come into this? I know many democrats who believe in Christianity...I doubt their view on the economy has anything to do with whether or not they trust the Bible.

                And I'm sure I will have many questions on the Bible, thanks for the open offer to ask them! If my church or pastor aren't available, I'll be come here when I can


                As for Ghandi being a heathan...I don't agree, but I'm sure you yourself agree that many Christians do not uphold the example Jesus set in the Bible, can't you?

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                • #9
                  Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

                  Originally posted by Viva Redemption View Post
                  ....but Jesus loves everyone.....
                  Prove it. Where is the Scripture that says "Jesus loves everyone?" Where does it say in the Holy Bible that Jesus loves the unrepentant? Sodomites? Witches? Those who reject His love? Or any of the sins listed in my signature for that matter?

                  Scripture or it never happened.
                  Who Will Jesus Damn?

                  Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                  Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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                    Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

                    Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                    Prove it. Where is the Scripture that says "Jesus loves everyone?" Where does it say in the Holy Bible that Jesus loves the unrepentant? Sodomites? Witches? Those who reject His love? Or any of the sins listed in my signature for that matter?

                    Scripture or it never happened.
                    It's a tad bit hypocritical for a Christian to demand proof for part of his religion, isn't it?

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                    • #11
                      Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

                      Originally posted by Viva Redemption View Post
                      It's a tad bit hypocritical for a Christian to demand proof for part of his religion, isn't it?
                      YOU'RE the one making the claim! If I said to a mudslime, "Moohamhead said everyone should wear tutus", darned tooting they would be trying to force a koran into my cold, dead hands demanding I show them where in that book of lies it says that!
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                      • #12
                        Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

                        Originally posted by Viva Redemption View Post
                        It's a tad bit hypocritical for a Christian to demand proof for part of his religion, isn't it?
                        In no way. All proof required is in the Bible, the problem is you haven't read it and are apparently adding bits that you think sound pretty.

                        Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

                        If you can't find proof of your assertions in the Bible, then you are wrong, it's simple.

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                        • #13
                          Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

                          I think there's a good chance this is not the place for you, perhaps you should re-read the faqs.

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                          • #14
                            Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

                            Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                            Prove it. Where is the Scripture that says "Jesus loves everyone?" Where does it say in the Holy Bible that Jesus loves the unrepentant? Sodomites? Witches? Those who reject His love? Or any of the sins listed in my signature for that matter?

                            Scripture or it never happened.
                            Of course they matter, they are all sins, equal in severity, but Jesus died for our sins. He died for us. God sent his son to die, an embodiment of himself...humbled himself immeasureably, so that we may be saved and join Him in Heaven.

                            If he didn't love them, would he give them the opportunity to redeem themselves and be saved? I'd like to think not. Yes, he condemns many, but we have free will so that we can always CHOOSE! God never said that if you sin once, you can never be redeemed. That is God's love...his redemption, his salvation, and the opportunity to come back to Him, no matter what you do.


                            Reason: Bearing false witness against a True Christian™
                            I don't know what you think, but you are not better than me, and I am not better than you. All of us are equal, judged equally, in the only sense that matters. Also, I did not say you were lying, I only pointed out that fact that demanding proof for a matter of Faith is not usually the Way.


                            Do they actually encourage lying at the false Chruch you attend?
                            First of all, don't insult my church. I don't care what you think about it, but save yourself the trouble of criticizing a church you know absolutely nothing about. Thanks.

                            Second, of course not. When did I lie to you?

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                            • #15
                              Re: My faith, and the confusion I've found here.

                              Originally posted by Viva Redemption View Post
                              It's a tad bit hypocritical for a Christian to demand proof for part of his religion, isn't it?
                              Pastor Ezekiel obviously knows it's not in the Bible.
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