Objectivism

[John Smit]

Before I read this book I was a good baptist church boy. The book is called "Atlas Shrugged" and is written by Ayn Rand. This book tought me some obscure ideas which I had never heard of before, but when you read it it makes so much sense. It is logical, rather than relying on the mystical "believe in God or go to hell!" crap (pardon my french) that the Bible teaches.

It teaches me that selfishness is a great virtue. Every man should be here for himself, and only that. He shouldn't live to please others or some nonexisting "God". Please, I would love everyone on here to read this book and be enlightened.

Once again, "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Objectivism

I have read it, and it's a bunch of Christ-denying drivel by a russkie atheist harlot. If you want to join Miss Rand in hell, by all means follow her philosophy. I, however, will not forsake the Lord and His Word for a work of fiction in which highly implausible characters give long-winded speeches in support of some arbitrary moral code.

[John Smit]

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Yes, yes, yes I understand her characters are fairly unbeleivable and they almost always have deep philsophy based conversations than normal speak, but that's intentional. She uses that to convey her message.

Comunism served for the good of the people.

Nazism served for the good of the race.

Christianity served for the good of God.

What the world hasn't seen is a logical system based entirely on selfishness. If a person lives for himself, and everyone else does so, and trade is done only because both parties wish it to be done, instead of feeling some misguided notion that it needs to be done for the better of the people, the race, of God, doesn't it sound like there would be more peace and less unnecasary killing of innocent Muslims?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Christianity served for the good of God.

What's wrong with that? What could possibly be more important?

What the world hasn't seen is a logical system based entirely on selfishness. If a person lives for himself, and everyone else does so, and trade is done only because both parties wish it to be done, instead of feeling some misguided notion that it needs to be done for the better of the people, the race, of God, doesn't it sound like there would be more peace and less unnecasary killing of innocent Muslims?

What's an "innocent Muslim"? The mooselimbs refuse to worship God in the way that He specifies and are therefore guilty:

2 Chron. 15:12-13: And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul; That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

[John Smit]

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What's wrong with that? What could possibly be more important?

What's an "innocent Muslim"? The mooselimbs refuse to worship God in the way that He specifies and are therefore guilty:

2 Chron. 15:12-13: And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul; That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Go here, I made an arguement you may see eye to eye with.

As I've said, I see serving yourself as more important than serving some God...

Ever heard of the word "coexist"? Jesus didn't murder people for not worshoping him.

Go here, maybe we could see eye to eye here...

Probably not though...

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=27186

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Objectivism

Jesus didn't murder people for not worshoping him.

By definition, it's not murder when God commands it. Jesus is God, and if you remember your Old Testament, you know that God routinely commanded that unbelievers be killed; in fact, God's holy genocides get considerable ink.

[John Smit]

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By definition, it's not murder when God commands it. Jesus is God, and if you remember your Old Testament, you know that God routinely commanded that unbelievers be killed; in fact, God's holy genocides get considerable ink.

Murder is murder. I don't care who or what commands it.

A lot of the new testament sais that if something in the old testament goes against the teaching of Jesus, it's wrong. Jesus did not kill anyone, and God didn't command the death of anyone (new testament).

Don't talk to me like I haven't read the bible, friend, because I have.

[Nobar King]

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Ever heard of the word "coexist"?

Why don't tell Osama Bin Laden that.

Jesus didn't murder people for not worshoping him.

No, God was the one who did that. Haven't you read the Bible?

Don't talk to me like I haven't read the bible, friend, because I have.

What did you read the Bible coloring book?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Murder is murder. I don't care who or what commands it.

and, in a like manner, God does not care what you care about.

A lot of the new testament sais that if something in the old testament goes against the teaching of Jesus, it's wrong.

An exhaustive list would be helpful

Jesus did not kill anyone, and God didn't command the death of anyone (new testament).

Don't talk to me like I haven't read the bible, friend, because I have.

Jesus IS God and I do not think you have read, marked, learned and inwardly digested the Scriptures - Luke:19:27.

[John Smit]

Re: Objectivism

Why don't tell Osama Bin Laden that.No, God was the one who did that. Haven't you read the Bible?



What did you read the Bible coloring book?

Osoma Bin Laden is evil to the core. Islam has good and evil followers just like, dare I say it...CHRISTIANITY!

What happened to God and Jesus being one and the same?

It was a red leather bound bible made specifically for teenagers. Old and new testament, study plans put into it, example stories, etc...etc...etc...

Don't act stupid, just because you use short one liners doesn't mean your right.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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It was a red leather bound bible made specifically for teenagers. Old and new testament, study plans put into it, example stories, etc...etc...etc...

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Then that was NOT The Bible. The Bible is KJV1611; anything else is a travesty of His Word.

[Nobar King]

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Don't act stupid, just because you use short one liners doesn't mean your right.

The fact that you haven't read the Bible makes me right.

[John Smit]

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[QUOTE=Ezekiel Bathfire;377666]

Murder is murder. I don't care who or what commands it.

and, in a like manner, God does not care what you care about.

I am retarded, your quote didn't work right, I am retarded

couldn't resist, sorry.

Show me the proof of that, would ya?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Objectivism

Murder is murder. I don't care who or what commands it.

So you set yourself above even the Almighty as a moral authority?

A lot of the new testament sais that if something in the old testament goes against the teaching of Jesus, it's wrong.

Book, chapter, and verse, please.

Jesus did not kill anyone, and God didn't command the death of anyone (new testament).

Jesus doesn't tell us that the first two-thirds of the Bible are filler. In fact, He says the opposite:

Matt. 5:17-18: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

[Nobar King]

Re: Objectivism

I know you're retarded, but do you understand?