[Soldier for Insanity]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

And no I wouldn't exactly classify your group as a cult but fanatical religious extremists

[Wide-Open]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

My point was the amount of hatred that was spewed on a website that preaches tolerance and love.

Show me ONE post that preaches "tolerance and love", and I will ban that user immediately!

[Soldier for Insanity]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

I think the original purpose of my posting was lost amidst a conversation about the war. My point was the amount of hatred that was spewed on a website that preaches tolerance and love.

[Widows Son]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Care to start with the Soviet Union? I do not agree that war is about money.

Certainly. With respect to, for example, Cuba and Angola, the USSR showed she was happy to use military force to protect her "essential national interests" (markets for her goods).

Soviet opposition to capitalism, like Roman Catholic opposition to Freemasonry, could be conveniently forgotten.

War is nearly always about resources. Religion is a pretext.

You're not far wrong: money and resources are closely linked. Do you think the US civil war was about cotton, or because the south feared for her economy if slavery was abolished?

Do you think we would care about Muslims in the least if they didn't live on top of our oil?

That's my point about Nigeria: plenty of oil, plenty of Muslims too, but no money and no US troops.

Do you think Israel would exist if the region weren't filled with a resource we currently need?

Israel is a market for US goods, and a popular cause with rich Jews, especially in New York. If oil was the attraction in the Middle-east, would not the US befriend more the Islamic states that actually do have oil, and less Israel, which has no oil?

How long do you think American military support of Israel will continue once the region's oil supply is drained, or other cost-effective fuels are developed?

For as long as Israel remains popular with US voters, especially rich US voters.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

i never said god was weak and for one to think that is just plain dumb. i know god isn't weak. i'll say it again. god gave us free will and allowed us to do as we wish, so if some one changes something before the bible goes to print, its becuz of that persons free will.

If somebody publishes a FALSE Bible, obviously it is not The Bible.

@Soldier for sanity There are numerous religious belief systems, and people either choose to follow one, or are brainwashed into accepting ideas which would otherwise be rejected as ridiculous - or (in many cases) evil.

Christians were so named (by others, originally) because of the claim that Jesus of Nazareth was The Christ. Whether or not you believe that, or that there is any such thing as a Christ is irrelevant. It is what Christians believe. The anticipation of this Christ [Greek] (or Messiah [Hebrew]) is recorded in the Old Testament. Whether or not you think that such anticipation was warranted is also irrelevant: it is what the Israelites believed.

The New Testament records the life of Jesus, and shows how His life fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies.

Anyone who does not accept that is not a Christian - the word was coined to distinguish those who did believe that, from everyone else.

Jesus taught that the law as articulated in the Old Testament was the direct revelation of God, and that the history of the Israelites was the result of God caring for and directing the history of the Israelites. Christians still accept that teaching today, and in order to follow Jesus it is necessary to follow the law of the Old Testament.

Part of that law was the temporary provision for atonement. Sin separates us from God, and the Israelites were instructed how to redress that separation, because God had chosen them to be His people.

I TIMOTHY 2:5 For there is one God, and one Mediatour betweene God and men, the man Christ Iesus ©1611

You don't have to believe that - but Christians do accept that, and accept that Jesus was the fulfilment of The Law, making the sacrifices of the Old Testament redundant.

Jesus taught that.
The apostles taught that.
Christians believe that too.

But just because the sacrifices made by priests are no longer necessary, that doesn't mean that The Law in its entirety is redundant. It is still a sin to murder, or to commit adultery, or to worship idols. God's Perfect Love cannot coexist with sin.

ISAIAH 59 ©1611
1 Beholde, the Lords hand is not shortened, that it cannot saue: neither his eare heauie, that it cannot heare.
2 But your iniquities haue separated betweene you and your God, and your sinnes haue hid his face from you, that he will not heare.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquitie, your lippes haue spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered peruersnesse.
4 None calleth for iustice, nor any pleadeth for trueth: they trust in vanity and speake lies; they conceiue mischiefe, and bring forth iniquitie.
5 They hatch cockatrice egges, and weaue the spiders web: he that eateth of their egges dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.
6 Their webbes shall not become garments, neither shall they couer themselues with their workes: their workes are workes of iniquitie, and the act of violence is in their hands.
7 Their feete runne to euill, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity, wasting & destruction are in their paths.
8 The way of peace they know not, and there is no iudgement in their goings: they haue made them crooked pathes; whosoeuer goeth therein, shall not know peace.

The Bible teaches us how to live in accordance with God's plan for His creation, and we read about how to do that in The Bible. Other false religions teach something else.

If we were perfect already, what we thought would already be good enough - but The Bible teaches us that we are not perfect. What God wants us to do is not apparent to our limited understanding, and we cannot always see the "sense" of what God says.

You don't have to agree with God's revelations regarding what we should do, but The Bible tells us what that revelation IS.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

While I appreciate your support. There wool be no war to be involved in if it were not for religious fanaticisim. War for humanity, liberty, freedom these are the reasons I fight. Not to die from a theological disagreement.

Tell me, how did taking down the most secular, Western government in the middle east (Iraq) advance the causes of humanity, liberty, and freedom?

Just curious.

War is always about money, not religion and not oil. Capitalism works best when it is expanding, so they fight for "essential national interests" a euphemism meaning markets to sell our goods.

Ever wondered why we're not at war with the oil rich Muslims of Saudi Arabia? Or why Nigeria - with the second largest oil reserves - is not occupied by the US?

Widows Son, have all wars of expansion been started by "those evil capitalists"? No. Care to start with the Soviet Union?

I do not agree that war is about money.

War is nearly always about resources. Religion is a pretext. Even in the Bible, God promised the Holy Land to the Jews because it was "a land of milk and honey". Fertile, well-watered land in the desert. They invaded, and succeeded because God was on their side. But it was war for resources.

Do you think we would care about Muslims in the least if they didn't live on top of our oil? Do you think Israel would exist if the region weren't filled with a resource we currently need?

How long do you think American military support of Israel will continue once the region's oil supply is drained, or other cost-effective fuels are developed?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

War is always about money, not religion and not oil. Capitalism works best when it is expanding, so they fight for "essential national interests" a euphemism meaning markets to sell our goods.

Ever wondered why we're not at war with the oil rich Muslims of Saudi Arabia? Or why Nigeria - with the second largest oil reserves - is not occupied by the US?

Well, that's not entirely true.

The Lord is a man of war. Exodus 15:3

My favorite war story from the Holy Bible is this one: Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins --captive girl children virgins! ---- Numbers 31:1-54

[Widows Son]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

There wool be no war to be involved in if it were not for religious fanaticisim.

War is always about money, not religion and not oil. Capitalism works best when it is expanding, so they fight for "essential national interests" a euphemism meaning markets to sell our goods.

Ever wondered why we're not at war with the oil rich Muslims of Saudi Arabia? Or why Nigeria - with the second largest oil reserves - is not occupied by the US?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Hello, I am new to this site [...] I could not stand by and see this perpetual idiocracy continue without having said my piece.

I think you were a little over-excited there, soldier. You forgot to say that you didn't think Landover was a cult.

[Soldier for Insanity]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

hmmm anyone else wanna chime in here. im having a communication problem with the geriatric choir section.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

I understand what he is talking about.

Well, I am glad you two are suffering from the same type of brain damage. Perhaps you two can get a room and leave the sane people alone.

[Serpent]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

To make sense as that would make it easier for other people to figure out what you are talking about.

I understand what he is talking about. Ironically your the one telling him to turn his brain on when it seems you cant even grasp simple acknowledgment over conflict involving social life.

[Soldier for Insanity]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

I think I was pretty clear. I'm going to have to refer to the old saying " if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand"

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Sure, what to?

To make sense as that would make it easier for other people to figure out what you are talking about.

[Soldier for Insanity]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Sure, what to?