[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

from what you are saying, it sounds like you believe we must live up to law in order to earn salvation. Salvation is a gift, not an earning.

Of course not!

We believe, as the Bible clearly states, that those who abide in Jesus are without sin, and those who sin do not have Jesus.

As it is written in John 3:

6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Also, I don't have a reference, but didn't Jesus die for everyone? And doesn't God say in John 3:16, "...whoever believes..."? That doesn't sound like racial segregation.

Nobody here said that non-whites cannot be saved . . . except you.

Remember that God made man equal, and in His image.

Could you provide the Scripture that says God created all men equal?

Remember, quote the BIBLE, not the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

More about the racism issue, the actual genetic difference between races is less than 1%. I don't have a reference for that either, but I have heard it from several trustworthy sources.

Why am I not surprised that once again, you do not have any reference for your assertions?

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you cannot back up what you say?

However, if humans of different races are so similar, why are you a racist?

You're right: I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of the Bible. However, there are some things which I know to be right or wrong.

HOW do you know them to be right or wrong, if you don't know what God says in His Perfect Word? Because you "heard it from several trustworthy sources", none of which you can name?

[Elliott]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

OK, this is ridiculous. While I see the validity in a few of your points, I cannot agree with the majority of what you say on this site, or what you have said in your posts.

I do read the Bible, every day, and I do know what's in it. I have not memorized the entire book, I am not a pastor, and I do not have a theological or religious degree of any kind. I am, however, a born-again, Bible-believing Christian, and I know what is in the Bible.

I would also like to say that I do not appreciate your demeaning attitude, or your rude statements. At first, I thought I was being a little too cutting, but you have outdone me in this area.

I do not believe someone will go to hell because they did not fulfill the law. Jesus explained that if we break even one law we are guilty of breaking them all. This illustrates that we can't fulfill any of it, and we therefore need God's grace and salvation. We are saved by faith, not by works. Works are a side effect of faith. You cannot have works without faith, and if you have true faith, you will do good works ( see James). This does not necessarily mean that we are to go about sacrificing animals or stoning people. We are no longer slaves of the law, because Jesus paid the price with His life. He did not get rid of the law. He fulfilled it (that's in Matthew, Mark, Luke and/or John; I don't know which book, but Jesus said it.) That means while the law will not pass away, we are no longer in bondage to it because Jesus has taken the penalty upon Himself. The law enslaves people because we can't fulfill it. Only God can, because He is perfect. (If you know of a perfect human, let me know).

I see that this conversation is going nowhere. Contrary to what I said about debating the issue, now realize I simply do not have the time to argue all of the points I would like to. I have dug up way more snakes than I can kill. I am not in any way saying I agree or that you are right, but it is clear that you have become blinded by your legalism (no offense; I couldn't say it any other way) and will not see the truth. I hope and pray you will realize the gravity of your actions before it is too late.

By the way, in response to your FAQ section, yes, by definition, you are racist.

[Elliott]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Of course not!

We believe, as the Bible clearly states, that those who abide in Jesus are without sin, and those who sin do not have Jesus.

As it is written in John 3:



Nobody here said that non-whites cannot be saved . . . except you.


Could you provide the Scripture that says God created all men equal?

Remember, quote the BIBLE, not the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.


Why am I not surprised that once again, you do not have any reference for your assertions?

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you cannot back up what you say?

However, if humans of different races are so similar, why are you a racist?


HOW do you know them to be right or wrong, if you don't know what God says in His Perfect Word? Because you "heard it from several trustworthy sources", none of which you can name?

My mistake. Obviously, we do not even agree on fundamental Christian values! From what you are saying, you are not even a Christian! In fact, this argument is completely pointless. Pastor or not, you might start by getting saved, and then we can talk about details. Otherwise, I'm wasting my time. I can't sit here for hours arguing about something as basic as God's plan of salvation or who He is.

PS: I never said I was racist. You grossly misquoted me. In fact, it appears you are very proud of the fact that you are a super-intelligent, white american male. Perhaps someday you will meet an ethnic person who is not as stupid as you think they are. I'm a white, American male, and even I am offended by your remarks. There is no use arguing this point, though, as I am convinced you are not interested in another point of view. This is my last post. Say what you want and answer to God for it.

Sincerely,
Elliott

[Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Dear Elliott,

I do read the Bible, every day, and I do know what's in it.

I hope you are right about that. Being wrong about this could have disastrous consequences for you.

I have not memorized the entire book, I am not a pastor, and I do not have a theological or religious degree of any kind. I am, however, a born-again, Bible-believing Christian, and I know what is in the Bible.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. Either you really know what is in the Bible, or you don't.

I would also like to say that I do not appreciate your demeaning attitude, or your rude statements.

As someone who is new to this forum as well, I have to agree people can sometimes be a bit rude here. But it is the right kind of rude as they do not waste time on political correctness and get straight to the point instead.

I do not believe someone will go to hell because they did not fulfill the law. Jesus explained that if we break even one law we are guilty of breaking them all. This illustrates that we can't fulfill any of it, and we therefore need God's grace and salvation.

Agreed, there are many many ways to sin. So it is important to realize that it is impossible for us not to sin. And God knows this about us: "For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23) and also "There is none righteous; no, not one." (Romans 3:10).

We are saved by faith, not by works.

That is only a piece of the puzzle. For example you also have to repent: "Except you repent, you shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3) and choose Jesus: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man comes to the Father but by Me." (John 14:6).

I see that this conversation is going nowhere. Contrary to what I said about debating the issue, now realize I simply do not have the time to argue all of the points I would like to.

There is something seriously wrong with your priorities. You should spend time on Bible study and debating what you learned with others who also study the Bible. Everything else is a waste of time.

but it is clear that you have become blinded by your legalism (no offense; I couldn't say it any other way) and will not see the truth

You are a smart person. I am sure if you give it some thought you will see that this can not be true.

I hope and pray you will realize the gravity of your actions before it is too late

I pray that you will figure out what Christianity is really about before it is too late.


Yours in Christ,

Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Jesus explained that if we break even one law we are guilty of breaking them all. This illustrates that we can't fulfill any of it, and we therefore need God's grace and salvation.

Friend, you are quoting from Jesus' brother James.

James 2:10-13 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.


James is saying that we should keep the law and do works.

We are saved by faith, not by works. Works are a side effect of faith. You cannot have works without faith, and if you have true faith, you will do good works ( see James).

Well almost, very good. Let's continue with James.

14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

James is clearly saying that works are required.

I'm also confused as to how you claim you cannot have works without faith. Hell will be littered with good people who didn't believe in Jesus.

He did not get rid of the law. He fulfilled it (that's in Matthew, Mark, Luke and/or John; I don't know which book, but Jesus said it.) That means while the law will not pass away, we are no longer in bondage to it because Jesus has taken the penalty upon Himself.

Maybe you are referring to Hebrews 1?

10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.



That refers to animal sacrifice. It says nothing about abolishing the rest of the Law.

The law enslaves people because we can't fulfill it. Only God can, because He is perfect.

Yes, you are referring to Acts 15.. This is said in the heat of a debate by Paul among the fledgling church.

10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?



Next, James speaks up and ends the debate.

13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

No, abolition of the law there. Next, James even confirms the Law except for circumcision.

19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.



To be continued...

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

My mistake. Obviously, we do not even agree on fundamental Christian values! From what you are saying, you are not even a Christian! In fact, this argument is completely pointless. Pastor or not, you might start by getting saved, and then we can talk about details.

I already asked you to explain HOW you know what is "right and wrong", when you do not know the Bible.

You didn't answer. Do you not KNOW how you know what is right and wrong?

There is only one way to know what is right and wrong. If God commands it, it is right. If God permits it, it is right. If God says it is not permitted, or an abomination, it is wrong. That is it. There is no need for you to decide for yourself; God has already told you, and "right and wrong" are based on consistency with God's Law.

What exactly are "fundamental Christian values" in your mind? Please support your assertions with Scripture, not lies from "Pastor Feelgood".

I'm wasting my time. I can't sit here for hours arguing about something as basic as God's plan of salvation or who He is.

Yet you've not explained what you think God's plan of salvation is, or who God is, even when asked. Please tell us what you think and support it with Scripture instead of your "feelings" about what God would do, if only God were, say, who you imagine He SHOULD be.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

(If you know of a perfect human, let me know).

Luke 1:5-6 THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Gen. 6:9; “Noah was a just man and PERFECT in his generation, and Noah walked with God.”

Job 1:1; “There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was PERFECT and UPRIGHT, and one who feared God and turned away from evil.

Deuteronomy 18:13; “You shall be perfect with the LORD your God.”

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

[jipjan]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

It's a church.

Actually, THE church, unless you've run across another which follows all of God's Word.

How are you so sure it's THE church??? Do you call that believe?? Like believe in yourself in a literally way?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

How are you so sure it's THE church??? Do you call that believe?? Like believe in yourself in a literally way?

Because we believe in the entire KJV Bible. I was tired of other churches telling me "well what it really means is..." and "oh that part doesn't count anymore..." The Bible is to be taken literally and completely. That's how I know this is The True Church!

I'm pretty sure that Pastor Anderson in Arizona is also a True Christian, but I'm not about to add the (TM) because I haven't fully studied his works.

[McTavish]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Nope, this place aint a cult........ its a cerry oan. I've never seen so many idiots in one place since I was at Ibrox stadium and even then this forum is much worse.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Nope, this place aint a cult........ its a cerry oan. I've never seen so many idiots in one place since I was at Ibrox stadium and even then this forum is much worse.

This place was much better until you arrived.

[RomanK]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

yeah this place is pretty bad, it's a cult. If you don't think like them or defend what they believe you get infractions or banned. They lack one ability, the ability to listen. So in fact they are the complete opposite of Jesus. Even he would hate them too.

[Nobar King]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

yeah this place is pretty bad, it's a cult. If you don't think like them or defend what they believe you get infractions or banned.

That is not the definition of a cult.

They lack one ability, the ability to listen. So in fact they are the complete opposite of Jesus. Even he would hate them too.

I hear you, but I choose not to listen.

[Master Gordon]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

yeah this place is pretty bad, it's a cult. If you don't think like them or defend what they believe you get infractions or banned. They lack one ability, the ability to listen. So in fact they are the complete opposite of Jesus. Even he would hate them too.

Why would a Christian man or woman listen to what you have to say? You fit in among the list of sinful ways that the Lord Jesus warned us about:

KJV1611 Revalation 21:8 But the fearefull, and vnbeleeuing, and the abominable, and murderers, and whore mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all lyars, shall haue their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[AngelClark]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

yeah this place is pretty bad, it's a cult. If you don't think like them or defend what they believe you get infractions or banned. They lack one ability, the ability to listen. So in fact they are the complete opposite of Jesus. Even he would hate them too.

And yet, You're still here. Why do you mock Jesus? Jesus said there would be those who mock us, Thanks for proving him correct.