[handmaiden]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

i thought i stated what i believed in already. and also how can you prove the bible is truth?

Do you know how many times it is stated in the Bible that the Bible is true? It's a lot of times. In fact, a good percentage of the Bible is focused on telling us to believe it because it is true. There are other, varying, percentages of the Bible telling us what to believe about God and how to live our lives, but if you don't accept the Bible at face value when it tells you that it is true, why would you listen to any of the other parts?

[Father Thomas Smith]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Well, xtianity is pretty much the biggest moneymaking cult of all time, and landover is a branch of xtianity, therefore you fall under the 'cult by default' status.

Heathens such as yourself will burn in hell when the lord comes in the last days. You are an uneducated pagan barbarian, who ought to be treated as such.

Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is a second death"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelation 21:8 https://www.bible.com/bible/1/REV.21.8"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelation 21:8 https://www.bible.com/bible/1/REV.21.8

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Well, xtianity is pretty much the biggest moneymaking cult of all time, and landover is a branch of xtianity, therefore you fall under the 'cult by default' status.
Heathens such as yourself will burn in hell when the lord comes in the last days. You are an uneducated pagan barbarian, who ought to be treated as such.

Welcome Father Smith. It is apparent you are one of those who can quote from the Bible but has never understood it. We at Landover Baptist study the Bible constantly and know for certain what it means. This has allowed us to live sin free for decades. Also, we help others by calling out their sins giving them a chance for redemption. We are not a cult, but are a special branch of the faith which has received the coveted designation of True Christian™.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Well, xtianity is pretty much the biggest moneymaking cult of all time, and landover is a branch of xtianity, therefore you fall under the 'cult by default' status.

Heathens such as yourself will burn in hell when the lord comes in the last days. You are an uneducated pagan barbarian, who ought to be treated as such.

Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is a second death"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelation 21:8 https://www.bible.com/bible/1/REV.21.8"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelation 21:8 https://www.bible.com/bible/1/REV.21.8

Hello Mr. Smith. You seem to be all over the map here in this comment. Care to introduce yourself so we can get to know you better?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Christianity is not a cult. "Cult" is what everyone else is, including many people pretending to be Christians. They're not real Christians because they do things prohibited by God. They split up into a myriad sub-cults and grovel before idols.

I CORINTHIANS 14 . KJV . look up
33 God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

DEUTERONOMY 27 . KJV . look up
15 Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.

[LW1997 (On Moderation)]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Well, I would say, in many ways, yes. You deny that we can just get saved by Christ's blood atonement.

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works" (Romans 4:5-6)


"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8-9)


That's what all cults do. Teaching another Gospel which is not another. Don't add anything to Christ. Christ is not showing the way, HE is the way! (John 14:6)

Christians should focus on Christ and not on other Christians. The more we look at Christ's grace, the more can we step out of sin. Legalism is not the way. That is also what brother Steve McVey was refering in this sermon:

[handmaiden]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Well, I would say, in many ways, yes. You deny that we can just get saved by Christ's blood atonement.

No, it is not. And, no, we do not.


Cults keep people enthralled to their leader, we want to set people free. We also don't shackle anyone to their computers to keep them focused on our website. You and everyone else are free to wander off as you please.


You are also free to ignore and misinterpret the Bible however you please, just not on our website. I'd say that I am sorry if that creates a problem for you, but I'm not.

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8-9)

That's what all cults do. Teaching another Gospel which is not another. Don't add anything to Christ. Christ is not showing the way, HE is the way! (John 14:6)

We are not preaching another Gospel. We are preaching the one featured in the Bible. Why you have a problem with that is beyond me. It's not like we made this stuff up.

Christians should focus on Christ and not on other Christians.

That makes sense at first glance, but they you wrote this:

Legalism is not the way. That is also what brother Steve McVey was refering in this sermon:

Again, what we doing is preaching, quoting, adhering to, however you want to phrase it, THE BIBLE. You can call it "legalism" if you wish, we call it not second-guessing God on what He decided to put into His own Holy Book. And your using this McVey guy to back up your point instead of the words out of Jesus' own mouth suggests that YOU are the one focusing on other Christians rather than Christ.


Jesus did tell us to obey ALL of God's commands. I would quote the specific verse for you, but I am sure you would rather follow your cult leader, Steve.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

No, it is not. And, no, we do not.


Cults keep people enthralled to their leader, we want to set people free.

Amen, Sister! Amen!

Why, I love Pastor Zeke like a brother, truly I do, but if he were to command me to do something weird like the cultists do, like say take my clothes off so he can paint me in nekkid like the limp-wristed Frenchies like to do, I would march right off and tell Mr. Etheldreda and expect to see Pastor Zeke with a black eye when I hand him our monthly tithing the next Sunday in church. But then, I would never expect that from our dear Head Pastor. Or any of them. Or anything like that. Because that's cultist and weird. But if Jesus were to appear before me and ask me to take my clothes off, I would do it. I would only do it for Jesus. I would do a strip-tease if He asked me because that wouldn't be weird or cultish, it would be a test of my faith, of my loyalty, or perhaps of my resolve. Giving birth to so many babies takes a toll on most women's bodies and while the LORD has generously blessed me with the body of an almost virgin seventeen year old, I know the differences between then and now. But anyway, I would do it for Jesus. I would let Him paint me. I would let Him paint on me. I would let Him paint on me and glue glitter and place feathers in whatever areas He deemed feather-appropriate and I wouldn't ask why. I would just lay there and allow Him to do whatever He wanted to do to me even if it was sexual I would do it and I wouldn't be ashamed because one day we'll be married in Heaven and if He wants to mess around with time and bring our Wedding Night closer into my timeline that would be fine by me because He is my Prince and my Bridegroom and my EVERYTHING and I love Him so much but I will NOT be in a cult because He does not lead me, His Future Bride, into such ugly things! I have to stop typing now because I am literally shaking with tears that someone would suggest that about the Church Jesus calls His Home on Earth Church, probably!

[LW1997 (On Moderation)]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

No, it is not. And, no, we do not.


Cults keep people enthralled to their leader, we want to set people free. We also don't shackle anyone to their computers to keep them focused on our website. You and everyone else are free to wander off as you please.


You are also free to ignore and misinterpret the Bible however you please, just not on our website. I'd say that I am sorry if that creates a problem for you, but I'm not.

We are not preaching another Gospel. We are preaching the one featured in the Bible. Why you have a problem with that is beyond me. It's not like we made this stuff up.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] That makes sense at first glance, but they you wrote this:
Again, what we doing is preaching, quoting, adhering to, however you want to phrase it, THE BIBLE. You can call it "legalism" if you wish, we call it not second-guessing God on what He decided to put into His own Holy Book. And your using this McVey guy to back up your point instead of the words out of Jesus' own mouth suggests that YOU are the one focusing on other Christians rather than Christ.


Jesus did tell us to obey ALL of God's commands. I would quote the specific verse for you, but I am sure you would rather follow your cult leader, Steve.

Keeping commandments is a matter of discipleship, not salvation. We do not keep the commandments TO be saved, rather do we keep them BECAUSE we are saved.

Romans 6:14 CLEARLY states: For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


And the Apostle Paul did NOT preach another Gospel.


Sure you obey all of God's commandments One of them also is:
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. (Mark 12:31)


Plus:
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. (Matthew 5:44)


Are you keeping those too? If you're claiming to keep ALL commandments, then keep ALL of them! This means, no more bashing on other people!
You should rather go out on the street and preach the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. And donate money to Open Doors.

[Dana723]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Amen, Sister! Amen!

Why, I love Pastor Zeke like a brother, truly I do, but if he were to command me to do something weird like the cultists do, like say take my clothes off so he can paint me in nekkid like the limp-wristed Frenchies like to do, I would march right off and tell Mr. Etheldreda and expect to see Pastor Zeke with a black eye when I hand him our monthly tithing the next Sunday in church. But then, I would never expect that from our dear Head Pastor. Or any of them. Or anything like that. Because that's cultist and weird. But if Jesus were to appear before me and ask me to take my clothes off, I would do it. I would only do it for Jesus. I would do a strip-tease if He asked me because that wouldn't be weird or cultish, it would be a test of my faith, of my loyalty, or perhaps of my resolve. Giving birth to so many babies takes a toll on most women's bodies and while the LORD has generously blessed me with the body of an almost virgin seventeen year old, I know the differences between then and now. But anyway, I would do it for Jesus. I would let Him paint me. I would let Him paint on me. I would let Him paint on me and glue glitter and place feathers in whatever areas He deemed feather-appropriate and I wouldn't ask why. I would just lay there and allow Him to do whatever He wanted to do to me even if it was sexual I would do it and I wouldn't be ashamed because one day we'll be married in Heaven and if He wants to mess around with time and bring our Wedding Night closer into my timeline that would be fine by me because He is my Prince and my Bridegroom and my EVERYTHING and I love Him so much but I will NOT be in a cult because He does not lead me, His Future Bride, into such ugly things! I have to stop typing now because I am literally shaking with tears that someone would suggest that about the Church Jesus calls His Home on Earth Church, probably!

How beautiful! I cried imaging that beautiful scene

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Romans 6:14 CLEARLY states: For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

We already know that. It's the reason why Christians do not sin.

Since Christians do not sin it is impossible for any Christian to NOT obey a Commandment we are required to obey and equally impossible.—.I need to spell this out even though it's pretty ridiculous but from the calibre of some recent posts I see that it's necessary.—.for us TO obey a Commandment we were required to ignore.

Distinguishing between those two categories would be a type of "legalism" and thus outside the aegis of your remit.

For others however it may serve as an example of a different Gospel or more broadly a different type of reasoning altogether, in which Commandments are issued for some reason other than that they should be obeyed.

Isaiah 1:18-19 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land.

..Thank you Jesus

Thank you Lord

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Keeping commandments is a matter of discipleship, not salvation. We do not keep the commandments TO be saved, rather do we keep them BECAUSE we are saved.

You are saying that "being Saved" is a way of life - and it is. So what happens if we do not keep to that way of life?

For example
If we disobey

• “I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any strange gods before Me.” ...
• “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.” ...

or, classically, blaspheme the Holy Spirit and suffer eternal damnation?


Were we never Saved, or is our Salvation ended... by Grace?


Once Saved, always Saved is what I believe - Nothing matters once Salvation is granted by Grace.


If you do disobey any of the Commandments, then it is OK, because God, when He granted you Salvation, knew how it would turn out.


I think that
Romans 6:14 CLEARLY states: For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Proves that.

And the Apostle Paul did NOT preach another Gospel.

You must, however, agree that Paul's words should be very carefully interpreted, mustn't you?

There is none other commandment greater than these. (Mark 12:31)

Hmmm... You haven't thought much about Christianity, have you? I am sorry to repeat it, but

M'r:3:28: Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
M'r:3:29: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
M'r:3:30: Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

You will see that this is not a commandment, but seems greater than the greatest Commandment...

Plus:

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. (Matthew 5:44)

My enemies are not the problem though, are they? It is God's enemies who are the problem.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Would that mean then, that a Jewish person who observed The Law and followed the Commandments but had never heard of Jesus

Romans 2:11-13 There is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

until one day somebody explained The Gospel and the Jewish person thought (regardless of any comments made to me) “No, I can see the argument presented to me but remain unconvinced especially that part about Isaiah 7; the child referred to was actually born and the geopolitical prophecy reiterated in Isaiah 8 and furthermore I believe that Mahershalalhashbaz is an alternative spelling of Immanuel but even if it isn't, Immanuel does get a second mention and no-one in this—what was it called again?—‘New’ Testament (which I've just read) was actually named Immanuel even if Matthew pulled out an Emmanuel from somewhere so upon reflection at this stage I'll refrain from breaking the 5th Commandment today and stick with the truths my parents taught me rather than declaring them liars” would be condemned?

And the same would apply to someone who was not Jewish and had never heard The Good News, an Eskimo perhaps or an Australian aborigine. Cruising happily along until I mention Jesus and they find my words strange, even if I learned their languages first, and if they get struck by lightning or fall over a cliff before accepting Jesus whom they've heard all about but rejected as nonsense—maybe because the concepts are so alien to their cultures—their eternity has been ruined. Or at least altered by the words I spoke.

I have a friend who asks questions like this, for whose benefit I'll include the verses referenced above. Clearly they refer to Jesus. Satan will suggest crazy readings or get new "translations" done such as the New English Bible or equally worse Good News series or even re-write the whole thing in different languages so everyone can argue over that! His indeed is a spirit of conflict and division.

Isaiah 7:10-16 The LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying, ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD. And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

Isaiah 8:1-4 The LORD said unto me, Take thee a great roll, and write in it with a man's pen concerning Mahershalalhashbaz. And I took unto me faithful witnesses to record, Uriah the priest, and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah. And I went unto the prophetess; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Mahershalalhashbaz. For before the child shall have knowledge to cry, My father, and my mother, the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria shall be taken away before the king of Assyria.

Isaiah 8:7-10 Now therefore, behold, the Lord bringeth up upon them the waters of the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his banks: and he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel. Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces. Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us.

Matthew 1:22-25 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: and knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

[Elijah Mee, PhD]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

cult
kʌlt/
noun
1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.

If this is a cult then beam me up, Jesus!

[Scoutman03]

Re: Is Landover Baptist Church a CULT?

Cult: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.By definition, Landover can be considered a cult.