Lutherans launch an attack on God

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MINNEAPOLIS – Leaders of the nation's largest Lutheran church voted Friday to allow sexually active gays and lesbians in committed relationships to serve as clergy.
Gays and lesbians are currently allowed to serve as ministers in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America only if they remain celibate. The proposal to change that passed with 68 percent approval.
At 4.7 million members and about 10,000 congregations in the United States, the ELCA is one of the largest U.S. Christian denominations yet to take a more gay-friendly stance on clergy.
The final decision on whether to hire gay clergy in committed relationships will lie with individual congregations.
Some critics of the proposal have predicted its passage could cause individual congregations to split off from the ELCA, as has been the case with other Christian denominations, including the Episcopal Church.
The debate over the so-called "ministry recommendations" got under way first thing Friday, and delegate Al Quie, a former Republican governor of Minnesota, proposed an alternative: "Practicing homosexual persons are excluded from rostered leadership in this church."
The proposal, which would have left the church's policy more or less unchanged, failed. Conservatives had lost an important vote Wednesday night when the convention's 1,045 delegates approved by a two-thirds supermajority a "social statement on human sexuality" that said the ELCA could accommodate diverging views on homosexuality.
The Rev. Katrina Foster, a pastor in the Metropolitan New York Synod, pointed out that the church has ordained woman and divorced people in violation of a literal interpretation of scripture.
"We can learn not to define ourselves by negation," Foster said. "By not only saying what we are against, which always seems to be the same — against gay people. We should be against poverty. I wish we were as zealous about that."

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[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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Lutherans have always been sick. It's no surprise that history's most infamous psycho killer, the inspiration for the movies Psycho, Silence of the Lambs, and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, was a Lutheran.

P.S. Please include a link to your source, in complaince with fair-use guidelines. This time I will be generous enough to do this for you.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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I wonder which of God's laws Lutherans and other false Christians are going to ignore in the future?

Fortunately, I have a time machine. This is a blog from August 2029.

"The ELCA has recently approved a controversial decision that allows avowed adulterers and atheists to become clergy. Rev. Francine Parker says: "We need to get with the times and be more tolerant. Why should we discriminate against those who do not believe in God? And even though the Bible has numerous warnings about fornication and adultery, that should be no preclusion to become a pastor in our church. We are a modern church and are moving forward. Only hateful, bigoted, backwards Christians would object to having an adulterous atheist as a pastor."

This comes a year after the Lutheran Church allowed equal time praying to Allah and acknowledging Muhammed as His prophet. The church felt it was discriminatory against non-Christians with the belief that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. "Religious bigotry has to end. We must learn to accept all religions, because every religion is true." said Rev. Nancy Rollins.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Those Catholics-without-the-Pope at the ELCA are sledding down the slippery slope. Hippy-dippy not-quite-Christians have long ignored, or "interpreted" in highly strained fashion, Bible verses on subjects from slavery to genetics to remarriage after divorce, so why should they stop? I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If you don't follow the entire Bible, why follow any of it?

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

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While I have always known the Lutherans were damned, I yet admired our local franchise for their firm and Godly stand against ecumenicalism.

However, I sadly note, getting just one thing right will not Save any of them.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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While I have always known the Lutherans were damned, I yet admired our local franchise for their firm and Godly stand against ecumenicalism.

However, I sadly note, getting just one thing right will not Save any of them.

Right you are. Worshiping God in almost the right way will almost save you from eternal damnation, and I don't think the Lutherans are even at the "almost" level.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words , lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Do the Lutherans have a bible between them?

[Isabella Abbey]

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Do the Lutherans have a bible between them?

I hope I'm not intruding, but I've been to some Lutheran church services in my day , and they're actually quite Christian people. They try, like Christians do, to worship and serve according to Biblical guidelines, and work hard to interpret Scripture balancing original intent and modern conditions. Lutherans generally accept that with so many people alive, possessing so many points of view and having so many variations in experience, the World can be made a better place more effectively by emphasizing ideals such as charity and community. They also know that for folks with varying beliefs and priorities, there are other churches, and lots of freedom to pick the one that emphasizes the same priorities.


That way, all the proverbial bases get covered.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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They also know that for folks with varying beliefs and priorities, there are other churches, and lots of freedom to pick the one that emphasizes the same priorities.


That way, all the proverbial bases get covered.

There is only one priority that matters! THE LORD!
There is only one base that needs covering! THE BIBLE! HIS HOLY WORD!

Lutherans are false "Christians" who are damned to Hell, and this is just futher evidence why!

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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They try, like Christians do, to worship and serve according to Biblical guidelines,

Who says they're just supposed to try? The Bible says over and over again to follow God's Law, not to try to do so.

and work hard to interpret Scripture balancing original intent and modern conditions.

Where in the Bible does it say to do that?

Malachi 3:6: For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Hebrews 13:8: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

If God doesn't change, why should His Word need to be "interpreted" in light of "modern conditions"? If a straightforward reading of the Bible conflicts with modern conditions, it must be modern conditions that are wrong.

Lutherans generally accept that with so many people alive, possessing so many points of view and having so many variations in experience, the World can be made a better place more effectively by emphasizing ideals such as charity and community. They also know that for folks with varying beliefs and priorities, there are other churches, and lots of freedom to pick the one that emphasizes the same priorities.


That way, all the proverbial bases get covered.

You've just perfectly described fast-food Christianity.

[Isabella Abbey]

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I suppose Lutherans are just humble folks who are doing their best, and they're the first to say that modern conditions are a challenge to interpretation.

Fast-food Christianity involves cherry picking spiritual and moral imperatives (which usually are few, with Fast-food Christians) to fit their self-made lifestyle, with no cohesive spirituality or moral compass to bind it all together. This is in contrast to religious identity, which allows maximal sincerity in worship and service by finding the like-minded. Which is desirable -- then, the community is served, the opportunity to worship is offered, interpretations are made and published, history is reviewed, on and on -- all important, and all more than just one church can provide.

[David Goldman]

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This is in contrast to religious identity, which allows maximal sincerity in worship and service by finding the like-minded. Which is desirable -- then, the community is served, the opportunity to worship is offered, interpretations are made and published, history is reviewed, on and on -- all important, and all more than just one church can provide.

We call those cults -- or "Identity" religion. For people who cannot accept God as he is, they reinvent God in their own image.
Exodus 32

1And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
2And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.
3And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.
4And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

1 Kings 12:

26 And Jeroboam said in his heart, Now shall the kingdom return to the house of David:

27 If this people go up to do sacrifice in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then shall the heart of this people turn again unto their lord, even unto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they shall kill me, and go again to Rehoboam king of Judah.
28 Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
29 And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan.
30 And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan.

Romans 1:

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

We have One God, One Mediater, One Way. True Christianity™ is NOT multiple choice. Matthew 7:

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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I suppose Lutherans are just humble folks who are doing their best, and they're the first to say that modern conditions are a challenge to interpretation.

Salvation isn't about doing your best; it's about doing God's will:

Matt. 7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Also, what's so humble about trying to "interpret" (actually rewrite) God's Word to make it more P.C. for modern conditions? Don't they trust the Almighty to be capable of inspiring a Bible that can stand the test of time?