[Yellow Snowey]

Re: 666: The number of the beast

Doesn't the Bible say to love your neighbor?

Yes. Does that mean to lie to him and tell him what he wants to hear? No. It means to tell him the truth, and warn him to flee from the wrath to come...

I'm wandering why you have asked me that. We could even ask would we be loving our neighbour if we were to lie to them. Out lies could cause suffering later on.
Rather than speak of condemnation, wouldn't it be better to speak of salvation? We are in New Testament Times. Jesus did not come to condemn the world but to save the world. We should speak of the promises we have in Christ. To God be the glory.
Do you know what The New Covenant in Christ means?

Oh, and you can remove that unsaved nonsense that is attached under my username. I am with the Holy Spirit, not against The Holy Spirit. If you can't see that then you must be blind!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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[...]
Do you know what The New Covenant in Christ means?

What a stupid question.

As you obviously do not, let me quote the verses you require:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

M't:10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Lu:19:27: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Thus the basic idea is that you believe in Jesus with all your heart and soul or suffer Eternal Damnation, which is in line with M't:5:17.

Only then can Christ come in Glory and fulfill the words of John The Divine:
Re:19:15: And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Re:19:16: And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Re:19:17: And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Re:19:18: That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Re:19:19: And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Re:19:20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Re:19:21: And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Which is what all True Christians want.

I am with the Holy Spirit, not against The Holy Spirit. If you can't see that then you must be blind!

The evidence is against you, sinner.

M'r:7:20: And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
M'r:7:21: For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
M'r:7:22: Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
M'r:7:23: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

[Yellow Snowey]

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Well Ezekiel Bathfire. If you know of The New Covenant that we have in Christ, how is it that you have so gloriosly and with great success on your part managed to quote all of the wrong verses of scripture?
I asked about the New Covenant we have in Christ, and you refer to damnation
I take it you have heard of the outpouriong of the Holy Spirit? That which we have in Christ Jesus? The mystery that was held before the ages?

It has to do with God's great promises for those that belive, not disbelieve.

You my friend have much to learn, and God most certainly is not your teacher!

Quite frankly you need to pray for your own salvation!

Said with love in Christ Jesus.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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[...]I asked about the New Covenant we have in Christ, and you refer to damnation.

I take it you have heard of the outpouriong of the Holy Spirit? That which we have in Christ Jesus? The mystery that was held before the ages?

It has to do with God's great promises for those that belive, not disbelieve

Your sort of false christian are ten for a dime. You seem to think that Salvation is the entire message. What use Salvation without Damnation?

In life, when you buy something - you get the goods and the trader gets the money. If you don't get the goods or the trader does not get the money, the next part of the legal proceedings kicks in - judgment and retribution. That is the whole deal.

Blasphemously, you make the Glory of The Trinity sound like some soup kitchen. God loves everyone, etc., I tell you sir, it is not like that!

Your sniveling liberality will, if heeded, lead to the damnation of thousands.

Shoo!

[Yellow Snowey]

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Tell me this Ezekiel Bathfire:

The Kingdom of Heaven has been delivered to me and to those who believe.
You should be aware of this if you know the scriptures only half as much as you say you do. So what need of fear have I?

You say "shoo!" Yet the gates of Heaven are open to me. What will you say when you are told to shoo?

You do know not all that call Jesus Lord, and keep the Commandments will enter Heaven. do you need to be taught where it is written? Do you even know why Jesus said that?

It is because without love a person is nothing. You can have all knowledge but without love you are nothing.

Where is the love Ezekiel Bathfire?

That isn't your real name though is it?

Having looked around I'm not so sure this is a Christian forum, but rather one that just blasphemes against God by taking the Micky.

Can you confirm that suspicion?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Tell me this Ezekiel Bathfire:

The Kingdom of Heaven has been delivered to me [...]

I need go no further with your question, for it is based upon a false premise: You cannot show your claim that "The Kingdom of Heaven has been delivered to me."

Many are called but few are chosen. How do you know you are not amongst those reprobated by God? How do you know you really are saved? Was that Jesus or Satan talking? We all fall short of the mark, yet you claim a bullseye.

Is arrogance an endearing trait? Should not a Christian be humble?

Snowey, think for one moment; does your church live up to the highest standards? Was he who instructed you a True Christian(tm) himself or a false one? Did he choose to ignore some of God's advice because it didn't fit with "modern thinking"?

Now, would you like to ask another question?

[James Hutchins]

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Tell me this Ezekiel Bathfire:

The Kingdom of Heaven has been delivered to me and to those who believe.
............

The Kingdom of Heaven© is not a Dominos Pizza®. God does not deliver. Pickup only.

[Meek and Humble]

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Rather than speak of condemnation, wouldn't it be better to speak of salvation?

Why are you so harsh?

Because the truth is harsh. We use great plainness of speech, and will not beat around the bush when it comes to someone's eternal soul.


It has been said "honey draws more flies than does vinegar." This really isn't a Biblical concept. The Bible teaches the exact opposite. For example, Jude says "Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference, And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh." Furthermore, you should carefully examine all of the preachers (including Jesus) in the Bible. On some, they had compassion. On others, they preached fear. It is our duty to make a difference.

[Meek and Humble]

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You do know not all that call Jesus Lord, and keep the Commandments will enter Heaven.

Calling to the Lord has nothing to do with it!!

Matthew 7: 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


An also, we do not teach salvation by works, so "keeping the commandments" has nothing to do with it!!

A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. -- Romans 3:28

Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. -- Romans 5:1

A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ. -- Galatians 2:16

For by grace are ye saved through faith. -- Ephesians 2:8

[Yellow Snowey]

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Why are you so harsh?
Because the truth is harsh. We use great plainness of speech, and will not beat around the bush when it comes to someone's eternal soul.

Yes. You got that paret right. The truth can be harsh. What makes you think God will not be harsh with you?
You mock Christendom. Jesus did not suffer and die on the cross for that!

Yes. By grace is a person saved through faith.

Why are you people supersticious? You appear to be ignoring one particulsr verse!

1 corinthians 13:13
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

So it would not be wrong to say that faith withut love is meaningless. God has the greater value on love.

Remember Jesus said we shall know them by their fruits. Do you believe he said that?

Galations 5:22-23
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Those are the fruits of the Spirit Jesus was talkking about.

Why are they apparently absent in you people?

If you would like to know how to become True Christians(TM)please ask, and I will tell you. Otherwise feel free to ban me!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Yes. You got that paret right. The truth can be harsh. What makes you think God will not be harsh with you?
You mock Christendom. Jesus did not suffer and die on the cross for that!

Yes. By grace is a person saved through faith.

Why are you people supersticious? You appear to be ignoring one particulsr verse!

1 corinthians 13:13
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

So it would not be wrong to say that faith withut love is meaningless. God has the greater value on love.

Remember Jesus said we shall know them by their fruits. Do you believe he said that?

Galations 5:22-23
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Those are the fruits of the Spirit Jesus was talkking about.

Why are they apparently absent in you people?

If you would like to know how to become True Christians(TM)please ask, and I will tell you. Otherwise feel free to ban me!

We have love. How can you love someone yet see them constatly do the wrong thing? "Spare the rod and spoil the child" has more than one meaning.

Do you not see that words against me are harmless, but words against God require reproof?

• 1Th:2:4: But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.
• Ga:4:16: Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

[Yellow Snowey]

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We have love....

You fool yourself.

This is the Internet. Yes?

Some would look in here and think this is a genuine example of Christianity. On that score it has as much Charisma as a sweaty sock!

Jesus took time to love people. Huge crowds gathered to listen to what he had to say. Did Jesus condemn the adulteress? He just told her to go and sin no more. He was compassionate and merciful. He healed the sick.

Jesus also said that those that believe in him would do as he did. Greater works even. Though on that one, the greater works may well be to give the glory to him because he would not give it to himself.

There are the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not change. The Gifts are still with us today. Gifts of love.

1 Corinthians 12 lists them.

1Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. 2You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols.
3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. 4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.
6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.
8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,
9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,
10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,
and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[
11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ.
13For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many.
15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.

16And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?
18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be.

19If they were all one part, where would the body be?

20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!"
22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable,

23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty,
24while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it,
25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.
26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.
29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire the greater gifts.
And now I will show you the most excellent way.


The more excellent way is love. But reflect and meditate on those gifts. They are gifts of love. They are what marks us as being more Christlike. Thery enable us to do as Jesus did.


The gift of healing for example. How good is that?



Do you want to know more?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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You fool yourself.

This is the Internet. Yes?

Some would look in here and think this is a genuine example of Christianity. On that score it has as much Charisma as a sweaty sock!

It is a genuine example of Christianity; you point out where we have not kept to God's Word.

Jesus took time to love people. Huge crowds gathered to listen to what he had to say. Did Jesus condemn the adulteress? He just told her to go and sin no more. He was compassionate and merciful. He healed the sick.

May I remind you of Christ in the Temple with the moneychangers - Are you saying that His righteous anger was a sin and a fault in Him?

May I remind you of Luke 19:27?

You have been brought up at a time when it is fashionable to portray Jesus Christ as a "peace and love" socialist hippy. You have chosen your verses to fit with what you think Christ and The Trinity should be; i.e. someone like you.

Jesus also said that those that believe in him would do as he did. Greater works even. Though on that one, the greater works may well be to give the glory to him because he would not give it to himself.

Did He not also speak of false prophets and those who cry, "Lord, Lord"?

The Holy Spirit does not change.

You are hanged by your own words, read the Old Testament; you know, the one from which nothing has changed. Now tell me what the New Covenant means.

I was correct for I spoke of God's Word. You were wrong because you turned His Words into a justification for your miserable, inadequate life. Sir, you are a sinner.

1 Corinthians 12 lists them. [...] 7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.

We are here to tell you the whole truth; even if you hate the Words of God that you hear.

8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,

Amongst us are those whose wisdom tells of the Glory of God, and those whose knowledge of Scripture is far in excess of your fluffy-bunny faith that will never move mountains.

9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,

We look to healing of the soul.
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[errant version of God's Word deleted]; I am sorry, I simply cannot continue to read that. Landover Baptist Faith and Message statement
"The Holy Bible, KJV1611, was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture therein is totally true and trustworthy.”

The gift of healing for example. How good is that?

and you have that do you? No? I thought not, that is because you are a false Christian.

Do you want to know more?

Not if it is taken from some godless tract designed only to mislead and make money.

[Yellow Snowey]

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It is a genuine example of Christianity; you point out where we have not kept to God's Word....

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and you have that do you? No? I thought not, that is because you are a false Christian.

You thought not? Why did you think not? Why should it be a surprise to you? I did say it is a Gift of the Holy Spirit. Did I not? You know it is written that it is. You say you live according to the Bible. So believe it!

You are like the atheist! Why don't you believe it?
Why do you assume God's forgiveness for yourself alone?

You do know it is written that those that live according to the Holy Spirit do not sin! So why do you sin? Why are you so wea in your sins?

It because the faith you claim you have is a pretence. You are an atheist. If this were not true you would believe the Gifts are there for those who ask in faith. Faith as little as a grain of mustard seed. Yours is less than that.

You are dead in your sins. You hold what God has forgiven orthers against them.
Jesus Christ is not your Lord!

YET

[Meek and Humble]

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It because the faith you claim you have is a pretence. You are an atheist. If this were not true you would believe the Gifts are there for those who ask in faith. Faith as little as a grain of mustard seed. Yours is less than that.

Well aren't you presumptive? Of course we have the gift of the Holy Spirit around here - but I bet you are a faithless poser who goes to doctors when he is sick.