Atheism and logic

[MisterM]

As most of True Christians have noticed, atheists always talk about logic and claim that if you think logically, you can prove that the God does not exists. Logic itself is Satan's way to lure innocent people away from the God, God does not want us to think, only to believe.

Anyway, when atheists talk about logic and religion, they use very special Atheist logic that break their own rules of logic. Last night I had perfect example of their illogical logic while I was trying to spread the word online at this special chat I have been participating.

This guy, let's call him Jack. Had following points: Christians prove that Jesus was real using the Bible as a proof. He said that the Bible was just a story written by men. His so-called logic went like this.

1. Bible is not a book written by God but men (wrong!!! 2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." ) and that why it cannot be taken as to truth.
2. If Jesus was a real historical person, he would be mentioned by historians of his era
3. Example Jewish Historian Josephus mentions 19 different Jesus (means savior) in his Antiquities and non of them are Jesus known by Christians. Also no Roman historians mention Jesus of the bible.


How did I answer to Jack? Well, I could have just given him the fact that the Bible says that it is written by God. But I wanted to play the game he was playing. So I said:

"Jack, you claim that the Bible is written by men and therefore it cannot be taken as truth. Yet you prove it referring to a book written by a Jew. Not only it is written by a man but Jewish man. And Jews killed Jesus. So you are actually saying that it cannot be taken as a truth and in fact it is written by a Jew who is well motivated to kill Jesus. And you talk about Roman historians. They worshiped false Gods and have good reason to hate Jesus. Would you trust a guy who killed you father? I wouldn't"

That totally crushed his logic and I just threw him out from the chat room because he could not make any sense. Oh boy, he was totally defeated.

Do you have similar experience with atheist logic? Share it in this thread.

Yours In Christ,
M

[Shimei]

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As most of True Christians have noticed, atheists always talk about logic and claim that if you think logically, you can prove that the God does not exists. Logic itself is Satan's way to lure innocent people away from the God, God does not want us to think, only to believe.

Anyway, when atheists talk about logic and religion, they use very special Atheist logic that break their own rules of logic. Last night I had perfect example of their illogical logic while I was trying to spread the word online at this special chat I have been participating.

This guy, let's call him Jack. Had following points: Christians prove that Jesus was real using the Bible as a proof. He said that the Bible was just a story written by men. His so-called logic went like this.

1. Bible is not a book written by God but men (wrong!!! 2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." ) and that why it cannot be taken as to truth.
2. If Jesus was a real historical person, he would be mentioned by historians of his era
3. Example Jewish Historian Josephus mentions 19 different Jesus (means savior) in his Antiquities and non of them are Jesus known by Christians. Also no Roman historians mention Jesus of the bible.


How did I answer to Jack? Well, I could have just given him the fact that the Bible says that it is written by God. But I wanted to play the game he was playing. So I said:

"Jack, you claim that the Bible is written by men and therefore it cannot be taken as truth. Yet you prove it referring to a book written by a Jew. Not only it is written by a man but Jewish man. And Jews killed Jesus. So you are actually saying that it cannot be taken as a truth and in fact it is written by a Jew who is well motivated to kill Jesus. And you talk about Roman historians. They worshiped false Gods and have good reason to hate Jesus. Would you trust a guy who killed you father? I wouldn't"

That totally crushed his logic and I just threw him out from the chat room because he could not make any sense. Oh boy, he was totally defeated.

Do you have similar experience with atheist logic? Share it in this thread.

Yours In Christ,
M

People put merit upon the facts that they themselves want to believe. For example, Caesar composed his history of the Gallic Wars between 58 and 50 BC, and its manuscript authority rests on nine or ten copies dating one thousand years after his death. Aristotle wrote his poetics around 343 BC, and yet the earliest copy we have is dated AD 1100 (a gap of almost fourteen hundred years), an only forty-nine manuscripts exist.

Josh and Sean Mcdowell, in "More than a Carpenter," writes about the internal, and external and bibliographical test, an examination of the textual transmission by which ancient documents reach us from the past.

From the book, I came away with a few methods in how to approach certain atheistic arguments when they attack the reliability of the Testaments. I've learned to ask the question, "What are the tests that you apply to any piece of historical writing to determine its accuracy and reliability?" most often the case, well, about all cases thus far have revealed only bias and unbelief as the method in which they use.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Colossians 2 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

[Iamanatheistscumsucker]

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God does not want us to think, only to believe.

M

Where would the world be without thinking?

[Zechariah Smyth]

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Where would the world be without thinking?

I fixed your misconfigured quotation: I pray that you don't mind.



Now, before we go in to the specifics of your wrongness, would you please make a thread of your own in the Introduction Forum? We want to get to know you!



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Creationist Ron]

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As most of True Christians have noticed, atheists always talk about logic and claim that if you think logically, you can prove that the God does not exists. Logic itself is Satan's way to lure innocent people away from the God, God does not want us to think, only to believe.

Anyway, when atheists talk about logic and religion, they use very special Atheist logic that break their own rules of logic. Last night I had perfect example of their illogical logic while I was trying to spread the word online at this special chat I have been participating.

This guy, let's call him Jack. Had following points: Christians prove that Jesus was real using the Bible as a proof. He said that the Bible was just a story written by men. His so-called logic went like this.

1. Bible is not a book written by God but men (wrong!!! 2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." ) and that why it cannot be taken as to truth.
2. If Jesus was a real historical person, he would be mentioned by historians of his era
3. Example Jewish Historian Josephus mentions 19 different Jesus (means savior) in his Antiquities and non of them are Jesus known by Christians. Also no Roman historians mention Jesus of the bible.


How did I answer to Jack? Well, I could have just given him the fact that the Bible says that it is written by God. But I wanted to play the game he was playing. So I said:

"Jack, you claim that the Bible is written by men and therefore it cannot be taken as truth. Yet you prove it referring to a book written by a Jew. Not only it is written by a man but Jewish man. And Jews killed Jesus. So you are actually saying that it cannot be taken as a truth and in fact it is written by a Jew who is well motivated to kill Jesus. And you talk about Roman historians. They worshiped false Gods and have good reason to hate Jesus. Would you trust a guy who killed you father? I wouldn't"

That totally crushed his logic and I just threw him out from the chat room because he could not make any sense. Oh boy, he was totally defeated.

Do you have similar experience with atheist logic? Share it in this thread.

Yours In Christ,
M

I do I was talking to a boy at my school who was atheist his logic went like this. Well look if there is a god who loves everyone then why do bad things happen? I said there isn't a god who loves everyone though see John 3:16 he only loves those who accept Jesus Christ,and those moozlimz and joos worshipping fake gods will burn in hell. He said but God is supposed to love everybody. I showed him more scripture,and he said but that's just a book to which I answered we'll so is eveloution it's written in science books yet you believe it. He was stunned,and I have him an a KJV 1611,and told him I would pray for him.

[Redeemed Papist]

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So there's this one fool on Facebook says we are just inserting god into the gap in our knowledge and we are running out of places to put him. He actually used lower case when talking about God.

So I point out that every time his silly scientists find a fossil there are now two gaps either side for God to be in. He posts ROFL or something in the devil's code and says I am retarded and I just proved his point.

And all the time I'm laughing at him because there IS no gap in knowledge because God gave us His word of truth about all things and we need nothing more. I told him this and that I would laugh with Jesus in heaven as he burned forever. He was rude so I thanked him for his persecution and testing my faith.

I think we can all see a butthurt atheist limping back to his homer friends in defeat, Brothers.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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I think we can all see a butthurt atheist limping back to his homer friends in defeat, Brothers.

Well this is a True Christian(tm) Fact(c) indeed. Case in point, I have never seen an atheist win an argument about the existence of God. Because God is invisible and incomprehensible, there is no way an atheist could disprove His Existence, not with a million fossils.

Every time an atheist points to evidence that there is no God, that just proves that there is a Devil, which proves there is a God. QED.

[Methusela]

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Why do you people condemn other beliefs and spew forth terms like " burn in hell" when speaking of other beliefs? Do you know how ignorant that is? How many people died for the name of God? And idiots like you say Jews and Muslims will rot in hell. Ya God loves your hypocrisy !

[Shimei]

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Why do you people condemn other beliefs and spew forth terms like " burn in hell" when speaking of other beliefs? Do you know how ignorant that is? How many people died for the name of God? And idiots like you say Jews and Muslims will rot in hell. Ya God loves your hypocrisy !

Lets look at the number of people slaughtered by twentieth century atheistic regimes such as communist China, communist Russia, and Nazi Germany. The atrocities of the Crusades, Inquisitions, and the Salem witch trials pale in comparison to the more than hundred million people killed by atheism. Now why should Christianity bear the blame when people do the opposite of what Jesus teaches?

[Bob4God]

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"Reason is the Devil's harlot, who can do nought but slander and harm whatever God says and does." - Martin Luther

One thing I really hate about talking to atheists is that they invariably throw so-called "atrocities" perpetrated by GOD into my face, and ask me how I dare lecture on morality when I tacitly support things like the butchering of children in Holy Scripture.

Well, atheists, if you were as logical as you like to think you are, you would understand that JESUS created those little kids and He can kill them whenever and however He pleases.

What loving Christian parent hasn't wanted to slaughter their own kid like an animal?

[Shimei]

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"Reason is the Devil's harlot, who can do nought but slander and harm whatever God says and does." - Martin Luther

One thing I really hate about talking to atheists is that they invariably throw so-called "atrocities" perpetrated by GOD into my face, and ask me how I dare lecture on morality when I tacitly support things like the butchering of children in Holy Scripture.

Well, atheists, if you were as logical as you like to think you are, you would understand that JESUS created those little kids and He can kill them whenever and however He pleases.

What loving Christian parent hasn't wanted to slaughter their own kid like an animal?

Most times atheist don't distinguish between killing and murder. There's a difference between the unlawful and lawful taking of life. Regarding God killing or murdering, I think God has the right to take the life of all sinners in a lawful manner. And also think that God is not obligated to help nor sustain life. Psalm 54:4

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Lets look at the number of people slaughtered by twentieth century atheistic regimes such as communist China, communist Russia, and Nazi Germany. The atrocities of the Crusades, Inquisitions, and the Salem witch trials pale in comparison to the more than hundred million people killed by atheism. Now why should Christianity bear the blame when people do the opposite of what Jesus teaches?

Amen. The causal relationship between atheism and murder has been well established by these statistics. It was atheism that killed those people, because these tyrants were acting on the dogma of atheism when they perpetrated these heinous crimes.

Conversely, when people have instituted capital punishment for victimless crimes to accord with God's law, there are no rogue instincts involved, only proper Christ-like intentions. For as Christ Himself teaches us, these countless verses commanding various sorts of death and dismemberment in the Bible can be summed up in Christ's Golden Rule, as elucidated in Matthew 7:12.

Most times atheist don't distinguish between killing and murder. There's a difference between the unlawful and lawful taking of life. Regarding God killing or murdering, I think God has the right to take the life of all sinners in a lawful manner. And also think that God is not obligated to help nor sustain life. Psalm 54:4

Absolutely, friend. A proper Christian nation like Uganda is also well within its rights to institute the death penalty for aggravated homosexuality as it has done. When a Christian nation doles out death to the enemies of God, they are doing so with the authority of God's Word. Leviticus 20:13 and other verses teach us that this is the proper use of tax money, while nowhere in the Bible are we instructed to provide food or health care for common vagrants.

Of course, taking the law into your own hands would be abominable. That is why we must vote Republican.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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That goes for rape as well as killing; sanctioned rape is perfectly acceptable to God, but unsanctioned rape can be very costly. Below, we are commanded to rape the wives of God's enemies.

Isaiah 13:16


16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

[Shimei]

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That is why we must vote Republican.

I voted Republican this past election. There is something I have against them though. I am mad that past Republicans haven't repealed Roe v Wade. And I believe that only while our agendas align -- the Republicans are the best party.

At the time of the Supreme Courts decision it was recognized that a unborn child at 3 months gestation could sustain life outside of the womb. As modern science makes life sustainable at an earlier gestation maybe this evil decision will be reversed.

Another atheist accusation states that it is not atheist blowing up abortion clinics. The argument for taking innocent life does not extend to the unborn child. Oh the hypocrisy. This country was founded on terrorist activity. The American revolution was began by terrorist against the English crown. Although I would not blow up an abortion clinic myself, there are those whose personal beliefs motivate them to act upon acts of terror against those committing acts of terror.