[dingo minors]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

*sigh* Do you really have any idea what paganism is? I have studied many religions, as such, I actually know WHAT the religion deals with, and don't make things up about it. The main principle in wicca is "as long as it harms none, do what ye will." Or "out of love that harms none, do what ye will." That doesn't sound malicious, it sounds rather loving to me. Thats just my opinion, agree or disagree. I believe that I can give you information, if you wish, that says the same thing about wicca. That little saying, one of the foundations of wicca, is known as the wiccan rede- look it up anywhere, even wikipedia has information on it. If you have more questions, I am more then happy to answer them. You may not believe it, but I don't mind that your opinion differs at all.

Oh, when I said paganism, wicca is an off branch of paganism. Pagans as well, depending on which path they are on whether it is left handed or right handed, still have morals and will not harm others though, even vampyres have a strict code of ethics in which they must follow. These "vampyres" Are not the type of vampyres that drink blood, they eat "energy". But, This is a christian website, and I'm sure you don't want me going telling you guys such things, am I right? Granted, some pagans might harm others, and use magick to get back at someone or harm them, but you have such things in every religion. There are churches out there that have members that even claim to be christian, even though these members are druggies, alcoholics, or both. Not all, but some. This is actually at a baptist church, that is in a neighboring town in which I live in, where just about every one is "godly" but really, are not. They do not practice what they preach.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Likely words, coming from a self-proclaimed witch!

*[...satanic rubbish deleted...]If you have more questions, I am more then happy to answer them. You may not believe it, but I don't mind that your opinion differs at all.

(a)"Wicker is nothing more than a social club for those who want to dance around naked and sacrifice babies" - discuss. (20%)

(b)Wicker neither promises Salvation nor attempts to save others and is therefore pointless.(20%)

(c) the best you can hope for in Wicker is to come back as a poison ivy bush.(10%)

(d)Wicker was invented in 1954 by a money-grubbing delusional Gerald Gardner and is a complete confidence trick for the gullible middle classes - discuss.(50%)

I'm marking you out of 100 - 75% is the pass mark. Write in English, grammar and spelling are important. Do not make ridiculous claims. Unsubstantiated references to, or claims of powers by, supernatural beings will result in immediate failing.

[dingo minors]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

(a)"Wicker is nothing more than a social club for those who want to dance around naked and sacrifice babies" - discuss. (20%)

(b)Wicker neither promises Salvation nor attempts to save others and is therefore pointless.(20%)

© the best you can hope for in Wicker is to come back as a poison ivy bush.(10%)

(d)Wicker was invented in 1954 by a money-grubbing delusional Gerald Gardner and is a complete confidence trick for the gullible middle classes - discuss.(50%)

I'm marking you out of 100 - 75% is the pass mark. Write in English, grammar and spelling are important. Do not make ridiculous claims. Unsubstantiated references to, or claims of powers by, supernatural beings will result in immediate failing.

Ok, so I will first start with A.

While it is true that some Wiccans are known for dancing around naked, it is also true that the vast majority do not. I myself haven't heard of a Wiccan dancing around naked in a long time, but it might still happen, I cannot say for certain one way or another on that topic. They do not sacrifice babies, again that would go against their code "be it in love that harms none, do what ye will". There is no love in baby killing, is there? That goes against Wicca. Now, then, I'm sure there are some that are a little insane and do harm people, but like I said prior, they have that in every religion, don't they?

Now, onto B.

Oh, I agree with you on the fact that they do not save others, or do not offer salvation, but only because you are using these words in Christian terminology. Any Wiccan would agree with that statement. They don't save others, either. They do not try to recruit others to their religion, they let the people seek their own path accepting that many people have different beliefs in what is true to them. They allow the person to choose their own beliefs. Now then, as for the salvation, they believe they do not need salvation in the church's eyes, because a wiccan or pagan does not follow the bible.

On to C!

That is also only partially correct, but has some truth in it. Most do believe in some sort of reincarnation system, but most systems are different. Some believe beings can come back as plants, or animals, and others believe that they will only come back as another human. Yes, you are indeed partially correct, and as such, I give you kudos for that. They do generally believe in some form of reincarnation, although not always that they will reincarnate forever. So, it's not just a poison ivy bush, but possibly animals, and Humans, depending on their beliefs.

Onto D!

I agree. You probably didn't expect that, did you? It was crafted by Gerald Gardner, and the year it happened is often disputed, I still agree, or mainly. I am surprised you knew that, though, but I myself should not be so quick to judge. Now, In your saying- it could not be both for money and him being delusional. If he is indeed delusional, then he believed it, and wanted to share it with the world and it wasn't for money. However, that is looking at it from your own perspective, at least the delusional part.. Now then, I myself cannot say whether he is delusional or not, I am merely here to teach, to enlighten, and to give insight and truth. Not to give my personal beliefs. Anyways, I agree it did give them confidence. Whether the spells worked or not isn't important. What is important is that the people believed they worked, giving them confidence, so in that way, yes it did indeed give them confidence.

Now then, a little bit more info. I do not wish to offend anyone within this website. I respect your right to belief, and I realize that I am the one visiting YOUR website. As such, I try my best not to offend anyone here. I wish merely to tell you the truth, without any lies and be unbiased about it. If, for whatever reason, I do offend someone, speak up and tell me, and I will not be proud. I will apologize, and move on with it, hoping that you too will move on with it, and I will try not to do it again.

[Marshall]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Don't you have some cats to torture or some strangers to have sex with somewhere?

[dingo minors]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Hmm... Did I come off mean or arrogant, or in some way shape or form that would make you comeback with a comment that was such, or were you talking to someone else? I really am trying not to offend anyone here, and I answered the questions, did I not?

[dingo minors]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Then, if I did offend you, I apologize for that and hope that we can both move past it.

[Marshall]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

It's just that after 9 pages of reasons NOT to worship Satan in a sex cult, you came in and defended it.

[dingo minors]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

This is the point I was making. The pagans believe they are worshiping many deities, and not satan. So, that again is another matter of opinion. No, I never once defended it, all of what I posted was fact- now of course, I am saying neither side is right. I merely pointed out what was false, and what was true instead. We are all entitled to our own beliefs, I have studied many religions over the years. I pointed out what was fact, without incorporating my own personal beliefs. For everything that I said, if given the appropriate amount of time, as I don't have everything at hand and memorized, I can give you sources to back up my claims, so that their are references to go with them. I am sorry if me putting the truth out there offended you, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was defending anyone.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" -- 2 John 1:9-11

Pretty simple I'd say. Whatever is not of Christ is of satan.

[dingo minors]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

MM... Yes, using the bible, you are correct, all other religions besides Christianity are demonic, and satanic, and not what they believe themselves to be. But, Using their own religion, they believe that they are correct. It's all of a matter of opinion, heaven, hell, death and reincarnate, it's what your belief is. I love everyone, or try my hardest to, no matter if their opinion differs from my own. I say love, but not romantically, obviously. I believe in a union between two, and not many people. But, My beliefs, are to be kept out of this, for this is strictly for factual evidence.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

The only opinion that matters is God's. And He has clearly expressed Himself in the pages of the KJV1611 Bible.

That's good enough for me.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

I am obliged for your answers:

(a)"Wicker is nothing more than a social club for those who want to dance around naked and sacrifice babies" - discuss. (20%)

While it is true that some Wiccans are known for dancing around naked, […]. They do not sacrifice babies, […] That goes against Wicca. Now, then, I'm sure there are some that are a little insane and do harm people, but like I said prior, they have that in every religion, don't they?

Marks for the answer = 12% (You did not address the “social club” aspect.)

Christianity demands that no one at all goes around naked (Levticus etc.). It also requires a belief in the possibility that the Christian may at some stage be required to sacrifice a child
J'g:11:31: Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.J'g:11:34: And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.

and (under other circumstances) to eat one;

De:28:53: And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:

(b)Wicker neither promises Salvation nor attempts to save others and is therefore pointless.(20%)

Oh, I agree with you […] that they do not save others, or do not offer salvation, […] They don't save others, either. They do not try to recruit others to their religion, they let the people seek their own path accepting that many people have different beliefs in what is true to them. They allow the person to choose their own beliefs. Now then, as for the salvation, they believe they do not need salvation in the church's eyes, because a wiccan or pagan does not follow the bible.

Marks for the answer = 9% (You did not address the issue of pointlessness.) A Christian is required to spread the Word. Those who accept and abide by the Word may be saved. The beliefs are strictly The Bible KJV1611 nothing more, nothing less. To hold also to another (or false Christian) faith is damnation.

(c ) the best you can hope for in Wicker is to come back as a poison ivy bush.(10%)

That is also only partially correct, but has some truth in it. Most do believe in some sort of reincarnation system, but most systems are different. Some believe beings can come back as plants, or animals, and others believe that they will only come back as another human. Yes, you are indeed partially correct, and as such, I give you kudos for that. They do generally believe in some form of reincarnation, although not always that they will reincarnate forever. So, it's not just a poison ivy bush, but possibly animals, and Humans, depending on their beliefs.

Marks for the answer = 9% (answer a little general and vague.) Christians believe that as Man is the only Creation with a soul*, only he will reach heaven – our time on earth is for accepting the faith, reproducing, having dominion over the earth and preparation for the life eternal hereafter.
(*there is some theological debate as to whether women have souls.)

(d)Wicker was invented in 1954 by a money-grubbing delusional Gerald Gardner and is a complete confidence trick for the gullible middle classes - discuss.(50%)

I agree. You probably didn't expect that, did you?

I am here to mark, nothing Unsaved Trash does surprises me any longer

[…]In your saying- it could not be both for money and him being delusional.

Never underestimate a madman’s power to convince the gullible

If he is indeed delusional, then he believed it, and wanted to share it with the world and it wasn't for money.

Speak to his accountant if he is still around and the publishing houses that deal with his works.

[…] I cannot say whether he is delusional or not, I am merely here to teach, to enlighten, and to give insight and truth.

No, you’re here to listen to the Faith of a True Christian community and have any contrary beliefs destroyed.
De:6:14: Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
De:7:4: For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

Whether the spells worked or not isn't important. What is important is that the people believed they worked, giving them confidence, so in that way, yes it did indeed give them confidence.

Marks for the answer = 34% (Disappointment that you failed to demonstrate that starting lunatic stories is no bar to power and wealth.)

Total marks = 64% - a fail I’m afraid, without the opportunity for a resit. Nevertheless, I thank you for taking the time to answer.

Thus I look upon the incomplete answers and, from what I see, Wicca is not worthy of being a religion or belief system. It is no more or less than stamp collecting. There is no need to bother with any mysteries or supreme beings and anyone can believe what they want without any certainty that anything will happen whether you believe it or not.

Without a shadow of a doubt, Wicca is therefore nonsense and people should really know better than to waste their time on such rubbish – why not take up photography and capture the beauty of the creation, or creative writing and amuse and educate others in ways of the world, or enter commerce and create wealth for the community? Why not study the serious subjects that man’s lot might be increased? (e.g. A Loving and Merciful God, as per KJV1611)

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

*sigh* Do you really have any idea what paganism is? I have studied many religions, as such, I actually know WHAT the religion deals with, and don't make things up about it. The main principle in wicca is "as long as it harms none, do what ye will." Or "out of love that harms none, do what ye will." That doesn't sound malicious, it sounds rather loving to me. Thats just my opinion, agree or disagree. I believe that I can give you information, if you wish, that says the same thing about wicca. That little saying, one of the foundations of wicca, is known as the wiccan rede- look it up anywhere, even wikipedia has information on it.

I respect your politeness and literacy, but the sad fact is that wiccans are servants of Satan, and thus they are prone to lying through their rotting teeth. Islam calls itself the religion of peace, but that doesn't make the Islamofascist jihadists any less violent than the wiccanofascist ones.

According to christianity, it is impossible to be "saved" in the terminology in which you used it in without accepting christ as your lord and savior.

Correct. So why not accept Him today? You seem like a reasonably intelligent young man, why would you choose eternal Hellfire? It just doesn't make any sense.

They do not try to recruit others to their religion, they let the people seek their own path accepting that many people have different beliefs in what is true to them.

Truth is not subjective. From where I'm standing, wicker is a bunch of incoherent Satanic nonsense. Clearly, if I'm right, then all wiccan scum are wrong, and vice versa.

Now then, I myself cannot say whether he is delusional or not, I am merely here to teach, to enlighten, and to give insight and truth.

Good intentions, but don't you need to know what the truth is before you can share it? If you believe that any nonsense that happens to pass through a pagan's addled head is somehow "true", then you won't be much use to Jesus or the Truth.

Anyways, I agree it did give them confidence. Whether the spells worked or not isn't important. What is important is that the people believed they worked, giving them confidence, so in that way, yes it did indeed give them confidence.

I disagree very strongly indeed. Whether the spells work or not is very important indeed. If I tell someone they can fly, and they leap out the window as a result, their confidence is not the important issue, the important issue is whether or not the flying spell works.

Now then, a little bit more info. I do not wish to offend anyone within this website. I respect your right to belief, and I realize that I am the one visiting YOUR website. As such, I try my best not to offend anyone here. I wish merely to tell you the truth, without any lies and be unbiased about it.

Praise Jesus! That's exactly what we're here to do as well.

Thus I look upon the incomplete answers and, from what I see, Wicca is not worthy of being a religion or belief system. It is no more or less than stamp collecting.

As far as I know, Our Lord has never damned anyone to Hell for collecting stamps. I could be wrong, though.

[dingo minors]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Maybe you misunderstood what I posted, as for that I cannot be sure. I never once said I followed it, merely that I have studied it. People fear what they do not understand, so I try to understand as much as possible, whether or not I follow that path or not- understanding where the person is coming from, and following the same path are completely different. I was merely saying what the religion consists of, not whether or not any of it worked. As for passing, hey you seem like a pretty critical teacher, as such, I thank the high enough marks in which I did receive, as well as you explaining what I needed to explain on and branch off of more. After all, without criticism, one cannot grow, can they?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Maybe you misunderstood what I posted, as for that I cannot be sure. I never once said I followed it, merely that I have studied it. [...]

... and therein lieth the problem! It is not at all necessary to study shoving your hand in the fire to know that it is going to hurt.

All these stupid idiots walking around the world saying that their route to Salvation is the only one, and making you a zombie instead of a thinking, reasoning man, get my goat!

Look on it this way, God is right, everything else is the work of Satan. Now that was simple wasn't it?

Now that is your first step on the way to True Salvation.

Carry on!